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The result of the move request was: moved per consensus. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:37, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Legality of prostitution in Oceania →
Prostitution in Oceania – Name change is only to follow same formatting as the other entries and pages.
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It's often written that prostitution is illegal in Fiji. This is not the case, and the laws are roughly the same as the UK in that prostitution is legal but most related activities are not. (Brothels, pimping solicitation etc).
Before 2009 prostitution law was covered by the Penal code. In 2009 the laws were rationalised and the 2009 Crimes Degree issued. Generally this just clarified the earlier legislation, eg solicitation became a defined crime rather than being part of the 'Morality in Public' prohibitions. There was a new offence of buying sex in public (equivalent to the UK's kerb crawling laws.)
Street prostitution makes up the bulk of the industry in Fiji.
I think where the confusion lies is that the Fiji press reported that the new law gave significant new powers for the police to crack down on prostitution (which it didn't, merely defines the law better), and that it made both buying and selling sex illegal. This of course only applies to the street scene, not the industry overall, although because the street scene is the bulk of the industry you can see the logic behind the generalisation.
A couple of links:
I've added these notes in case the subject comes up again. -- John B123 ( talk) 17:23, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
What would people think about removing the table entirely? The problem with a lot of attempts to summarise sex work-related legislation is that it's often complex, so trying to simplify it to four tick boxes just means that it's actually wrong. What @ John B123: pointed out about Fiji (which I personally know nothing about it) is a perfect example of this: describing what the legal status actually is requires some explanation in prose, and requesting a "yes/no" answer on legality when invariably some things are and some things aren't doesn't help anyone understand what the laws are. The lack of specific sourcing (as in to actual legislation) further makes clear that wherever this came from wasn't necessarily someone who understood the legal situation in each country. I think getting rid of the very-dubiously-correct table and shifting the focus to the prose would make this article a lot more useful to anyone who wanted to understand the subject. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 19:30, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Fiji
Fiji
- Prostitution legal
- Brothels illegal
- Pimping illegal
- Buying or selling sex in public illegal
Prostitution in Fiji is legal, but most activities connected with it illegal: brothel keeping, pimping and buying or selling sex in public.[3] The Crimes Decree 2009[4] sets out the legislation regarding sex work and replaces the provisions of the earlier Penal Code.[1] Since the new legislation the has been increased enforcement, especially towards street workers and their clients.[3][1] Street workers make up the bulk of Fiji's prostitutes.
These are French Overseas collectivities, and therefore have their own legislature and make their own laws. (As opposed to French Overseas territories, that are part of France). They are similar in status as say the Channel Islands are to the UK.
Whilst their law generally follows that of France, there are deviations from this. The April 2016 French law criminalising buyers of sex may or may not have been enacted in these islands.
New Caledonia changed from a territory to a collectivity in 1993, the other two in 2003. Prior to these dates french Law would have applied and solicitation would have been prohibited. In most areas they kept the French law when becoming a collectivity and have modified it as needed since. This possibly means the '18' in the table for 'soliciting' is wrong, unless they have passed legislation to that effect.
If they haven't adopted the 2016 French law, then "main article: Prostitution in France" is perhaps misleading?
Unfortunately I can't find any sources to clarify the situation-- John B123 ( talk) 00:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Apart from Midway Atoll and Palmyra Atoll, which have small US scienticic stations (<40 people), these islands are uninhabited. Is there any point in including them? -- John B123 ( talk) 17:18, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
There have been some very unconstructive edits in this section. If you think something is incorrect in this section then amend it, or discuss it on the talk page. Just deleting sections of of the content doesn't help anybody to understand what you consider to be wrong and could be viewed as an act of vandalism John B123 ( talk) 18:23, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Should living on the earnings of prostitutes or Procuring (prostitution) be considered pimping, or does it need to be as per the stereotype of an American pimps? John B123 ( talk) 22:15, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Will the smaller countries be redirected here? Dwanyewest ( talk) 13:41, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved per consensus. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:37, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Legality of prostitution in Oceania →
Prostitution in Oceania – Name change is only to follow same formatting as the other entries and pages.
AquilaXIII (
talk) 19:22, 4 November 2017 (UTC) Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk)
10:30, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
It's often written that prostitution is illegal in Fiji. This is not the case, and the laws are roughly the same as the UK in that prostitution is legal but most related activities are not. (Brothels, pimping solicitation etc).
Before 2009 prostitution law was covered by the Penal code. In 2009 the laws were rationalised and the 2009 Crimes Degree issued. Generally this just clarified the earlier legislation, eg solicitation became a defined crime rather than being part of the 'Morality in Public' prohibitions. There was a new offence of buying sex in public (equivalent to the UK's kerb crawling laws.)
Street prostitution makes up the bulk of the industry in Fiji.
I think where the confusion lies is that the Fiji press reported that the new law gave significant new powers for the police to crack down on prostitution (which it didn't, merely defines the law better), and that it made both buying and selling sex illegal. This of course only applies to the street scene, not the industry overall, although because the street scene is the bulk of the industry you can see the logic behind the generalisation.
A couple of links:
I've added these notes in case the subject comes up again. -- John B123 ( talk) 17:23, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
What would people think about removing the table entirely? The problem with a lot of attempts to summarise sex work-related legislation is that it's often complex, so trying to simplify it to four tick boxes just means that it's actually wrong. What @ John B123: pointed out about Fiji (which I personally know nothing about it) is a perfect example of this: describing what the legal status actually is requires some explanation in prose, and requesting a "yes/no" answer on legality when invariably some things are and some things aren't doesn't help anyone understand what the laws are. The lack of specific sourcing (as in to actual legislation) further makes clear that wherever this came from wasn't necessarily someone who understood the legal situation in each country. I think getting rid of the very-dubiously-correct table and shifting the focus to the prose would make this article a lot more useful to anyone who wanted to understand the subject. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 19:30, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Fiji
Fiji
- Prostitution legal
- Brothels illegal
- Pimping illegal
- Buying or selling sex in public illegal
Prostitution in Fiji is legal, but most activities connected with it illegal: brothel keeping, pimping and buying or selling sex in public.[3] The Crimes Decree 2009[4] sets out the legislation regarding sex work and replaces the provisions of the earlier Penal Code.[1] Since the new legislation the has been increased enforcement, especially towards street workers and their clients.[3][1] Street workers make up the bulk of Fiji's prostitutes.
These are French Overseas collectivities, and therefore have their own legislature and make their own laws. (As opposed to French Overseas territories, that are part of France). They are similar in status as say the Channel Islands are to the UK.
Whilst their law generally follows that of France, there are deviations from this. The April 2016 French law criminalising buyers of sex may or may not have been enacted in these islands.
New Caledonia changed from a territory to a collectivity in 1993, the other two in 2003. Prior to these dates french Law would have applied and solicitation would have been prohibited. In most areas they kept the French law when becoming a collectivity and have modified it as needed since. This possibly means the '18' in the table for 'soliciting' is wrong, unless they have passed legislation to that effect.
If they haven't adopted the 2016 French law, then "main article: Prostitution in France" is perhaps misleading?
Unfortunately I can't find any sources to clarify the situation-- John B123 ( talk) 00:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Apart from Midway Atoll and Palmyra Atoll, which have small US scienticic stations (<40 people), these islands are uninhabited. Is there any point in including them? -- John B123 ( talk) 17:18, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
There have been some very unconstructive edits in this section. If you think something is incorrect in this section then amend it, or discuss it on the talk page. Just deleting sections of of the content doesn't help anybody to understand what you consider to be wrong and could be viewed as an act of vandalism John B123 ( talk) 18:23, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Should living on the earnings of prostitutes or Procuring (prostitution) be considered pimping, or does it need to be as per the stereotype of an American pimps? John B123 ( talk) 22:15, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Will the smaller countries be redirected here? Dwanyewest ( talk) 13:41, 10 February 2018 (UTC)