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I would like to see some more sources for this information.
Confused. The last section says that the U.S. built a new fort on the site of the old Negro Fort in 1818, and named it Fort Gadsden. However, when they destroyed it two years earlier it was in Spanish territory. According to Wikipedia's History of Florida, the U.S. didn't cut a deal for Florida until 1819 and didn't take ownership until 1821. So ---- did we just up and build a fort on foreign territory? If so, it seems to me that would require an explanation, like "In spite of Spanish ownership of the grounds, the U.S. built ...... etc." Or is the date wrong? Whatever it is, it seems like there's more of a story to be told regarding the politics of how Ft. Gadsden came to be built. 69.229.127.207 13:53, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. Referencing and appropriate inline citation guidelines not met. -- dashiellx ( talk) 15:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: There was a consensus to split the article into two articles, and one of them to be named Negro Fort, and the other to be named Fort Gadsden Historical Site. I've moved this article to Fort Gadsden Historical Site, as that appeared to be where consensus was trending. Editors can use their discretion as to what should be split. TonyBallioni ( talk) 23:13, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Fort Gadsden → Negro Fort – most common and most useful name, per Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names. Note there is a Battle of Negro Fort article, but not one on the Negro Fort. Historians, and this article, talk about Negro Fort much more than about Fort Gadsden. There was never a battle at Fort Gadsden. It’s far less important. deisenbe ( talk) 11:56, 23 December 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. ToThAc ( talk) 15:15, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm going to make the changes referred to above. Some of Fort Gadsden Historic Site will be moved to Battle of Negro Fort > Negro Fort. Give me a week, there's a bit to do. deisenbe ( talk) 03:47, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Quirkle's changes are correct, respect WP policy, and improve the article. Good riddance to the non-neutral point-of-view content and original research he removed, which was self-defeating to its intended purpose. I actually agree with the sentiments expressed in the quote of Elizabeth Ann Usherwood's (not Isherwood's) A Reanalysis of the Negro Fort 1814-1816, but her undergraduate paper is not that good and not a reliable source.
The historian Canter Brown Jr. wrote something good in his rather exuberant review of The Maroons of Prospect Bluff and Their Quest for Freedom in the Atlantic World, by Nathaniel Millett:
"Until recent decades, Florida historians minimized, misrepresented, or ignored the contributions and experiences of Africans and African Americans. Beginning in the 1960s with the work of Joe M. Richardson, however, that situation slowly began to change. Over the following decades, excellent scholarship from Daniel L. Schafer, Jane L. Landers, Larry E. Rivers, and others has altered perspectives in dramatic fashion. Progress has come so far as to spark a backlash of sorts, with commentators here and there insisting that emphasis on black agency and black involvement has been overblown. Within the community of Florida scholars, this reaction seems to reflect a response similar to the one that occurred within the political sphere after Barack Obama’s election as president."
This applies as well to scholarship concerning the momentous events that occurred at the Negro Fort, events of far more import to the future development of the United States than the attempts by a savage Andrew Jackson to erase that history. This article should respect that scholarship, but there are far better sources than Usherwood. Carlstak ( talk) 04:18, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
The area of the fort was just described as both two and seven acres, and some speculation about time zones as a sign of remoteness was just restored. neither belong in the article. While it is possible to source remarks about 15 foot high parapets, there was no such thing in the strict sense. Loose or metaphorical usage should not be linked to a stricter definition. Qwirkle ( talk) 13:56, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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I would like to see some more sources for this information.
Confused. The last section says that the U.S. built a new fort on the site of the old Negro Fort in 1818, and named it Fort Gadsden. However, when they destroyed it two years earlier it was in Spanish territory. According to Wikipedia's History of Florida, the U.S. didn't cut a deal for Florida until 1819 and didn't take ownership until 1821. So ---- did we just up and build a fort on foreign territory? If so, it seems to me that would require an explanation, like "In spite of Spanish ownership of the grounds, the U.S. built ...... etc." Or is the date wrong? Whatever it is, it seems like there's more of a story to be told regarding the politics of how Ft. Gadsden came to be built. 69.229.127.207 13:53, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. Referencing and appropriate inline citation guidelines not met. -- dashiellx ( talk) 15:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: There was a consensus to split the article into two articles, and one of them to be named Negro Fort, and the other to be named Fort Gadsden Historical Site. I've moved this article to Fort Gadsden Historical Site, as that appeared to be where consensus was trending. Editors can use their discretion as to what should be split. TonyBallioni ( talk) 23:13, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Fort Gadsden → Negro Fort – most common and most useful name, per Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names. Note there is a Battle of Negro Fort article, but not one on the Negro Fort. Historians, and this article, talk about Negro Fort much more than about Fort Gadsden. There was never a battle at Fort Gadsden. It’s far less important. deisenbe ( talk) 11:56, 23 December 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. ToThAc ( talk) 15:15, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm going to make the changes referred to above. Some of Fort Gadsden Historic Site will be moved to Battle of Negro Fort > Negro Fort. Give me a week, there's a bit to do. deisenbe ( talk) 03:47, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Quirkle's changes are correct, respect WP policy, and improve the article. Good riddance to the non-neutral point-of-view content and original research he removed, which was self-defeating to its intended purpose. I actually agree with the sentiments expressed in the quote of Elizabeth Ann Usherwood's (not Isherwood's) A Reanalysis of the Negro Fort 1814-1816, but her undergraduate paper is not that good and not a reliable source.
The historian Canter Brown Jr. wrote something good in his rather exuberant review of The Maroons of Prospect Bluff and Their Quest for Freedom in the Atlantic World, by Nathaniel Millett:
"Until recent decades, Florida historians minimized, misrepresented, or ignored the contributions and experiences of Africans and African Americans. Beginning in the 1960s with the work of Joe M. Richardson, however, that situation slowly began to change. Over the following decades, excellent scholarship from Daniel L. Schafer, Jane L. Landers, Larry E. Rivers, and others has altered perspectives in dramatic fashion. Progress has come so far as to spark a backlash of sorts, with commentators here and there insisting that emphasis on black agency and black involvement has been overblown. Within the community of Florida scholars, this reaction seems to reflect a response similar to the one that occurred within the political sphere after Barack Obama’s election as president."
This applies as well to scholarship concerning the momentous events that occurred at the Negro Fort, events of far more import to the future development of the United States than the attempts by a savage Andrew Jackson to erase that history. This article should respect that scholarship, but there are far better sources than Usherwood. Carlstak ( talk) 04:18, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
The area of the fort was just described as both two and seven acres, and some speculation about time zones as a sign of remoteness was just restored. neither belong in the article. While it is possible to source remarks about 15 foot high parapets, there was no such thing in the strict sense. Loose or metaphorical usage should not be linked to a stricter definition. Qwirkle ( talk) 13:56, 22 August 2018 (UTC)