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ZimZalaBim, first you tried to merge this page into the Google article because it " doesn't need to be its own article," then you tried to tried to delete this article, and now you're trying to delete specific information supported by WP:Reliable sources and replace it with equivocating language in the name of NPOV, without adding any sources to support your changes and declining to seek consensus for your changes here on the talk page. This is not in the service of Wikipedia. إيان ( talk) 03:12, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
I've made a series of edits to ensure this article follows WP:NPOV, but they've all been undone without any specific argument as to why. These include:
I'd like to understand how these are controversial edits and what the argument is for reverting them. We need to ensure this article isn't just POV-pushing. -- ZimZalaBim talk 01:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
(In responding to this I also taking into consideration the "September 15, 2022" discussion above.)
Writing about this topic in a neutral manner means that we must reflect what reliable sources are saying. Those reliable sources are saying that the IT firms are facing criticism because of this project, and that the criticism relates to Israel's human rights record and territorial expansion. We should not seek to minimize these issues in the language used here. But at the same time, just because reliable sources report that there is condemnation does not mean that we, in Wikipedia's editorial voice, should adopt those condemnations as our own, or fail to give balanced coverage. This is a contentious topic area, and we must steer a careful path between the two extremes. If you haven't already I would encourage both of you to read WP:STEELMAN and show each other that you genuinely understand the other person's position, and are willing to compromise. On the specific numbered items on ZimZalaBim's list,
I am just a random guy on the Internet; you are under no obligation to pay any attention to my opinions. No money back, no guarantee :) Thparkth ( talk) 02:47, 17 September 2022 (UTC) |
The article should include a section. On the controversy and protest, and the Google engineers leaving the company due to Google involvement with this project. 45.44.57.43 ( talk) 12:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Similarly, it is imperative that the content is reliable and free from speculation. Orenelma ( talk) 16:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
it sounds like "the manhattan project has 4 project phases: designing something, gathering materials for something, assembling something and using something " -- lots of words that don't say much. Tonymetz 💬 17:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
The actual quote from Google in the link is that the project is "not directed at highly sensitive or classified military workloads relevant to weapons or intelligence services"
This is not the same as stating that Project Nimbus does not deal with classified information. There are actually several ways to interpret Google's statement and Google has not clarified.
I strongly suggest replacing the sentence with a direct quote from Google rather than interpreting it in a specific way. Carthradge4 ( talk) 00:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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ZimZalaBim, first you tried to merge this page into the Google article because it " doesn't need to be its own article," then you tried to tried to delete this article, and now you're trying to delete specific information supported by WP:Reliable sources and replace it with equivocating language in the name of NPOV, without adding any sources to support your changes and declining to seek consensus for your changes here on the talk page. This is not in the service of Wikipedia. إيان ( talk) 03:12, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
I've made a series of edits to ensure this article follows WP:NPOV, but they've all been undone without any specific argument as to why. These include:
I'd like to understand how these are controversial edits and what the argument is for reverting them. We need to ensure this article isn't just POV-pushing. -- ZimZalaBim talk 01:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
(In responding to this I also taking into consideration the "September 15, 2022" discussion above.)
Writing about this topic in a neutral manner means that we must reflect what reliable sources are saying. Those reliable sources are saying that the IT firms are facing criticism because of this project, and that the criticism relates to Israel's human rights record and territorial expansion. We should not seek to minimize these issues in the language used here. But at the same time, just because reliable sources report that there is condemnation does not mean that we, in Wikipedia's editorial voice, should adopt those condemnations as our own, or fail to give balanced coverage. This is a contentious topic area, and we must steer a careful path between the two extremes. If you haven't already I would encourage both of you to read WP:STEELMAN and show each other that you genuinely understand the other person's position, and are willing to compromise. On the specific numbered items on ZimZalaBim's list,
I am just a random guy on the Internet; you are under no obligation to pay any attention to my opinions. No money back, no guarantee :) Thparkth ( talk) 02:47, 17 September 2022 (UTC) |
The article should include a section. On the controversy and protest, and the Google engineers leaving the company due to Google involvement with this project. 45.44.57.43 ( talk) 12:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Similarly, it is imperative that the content is reliable and free from speculation. Orenelma ( talk) 16:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
it sounds like "the manhattan project has 4 project phases: designing something, gathering materials for something, assembling something and using something " -- lots of words that don't say much. Tonymetz 💬 17:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
The actual quote from Google in the link is that the project is "not directed at highly sensitive or classified military workloads relevant to weapons or intelligence services"
This is not the same as stating that Project Nimbus does not deal with classified information. There are actually several ways to interpret Google's statement and Google has not clarified.
I strongly suggest replacing the sentence with a direct quote from Google rather than interpreting it in a specific way. Carthradge4 ( talk) 00:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)