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This has just gone from bad to worse. The new article REALLY DOES look like nothing more than a fluff piece. The old article had flaws, but this is not an improvement. 80.195.66.18 15:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Realy there is no way to get around the fluff, however I do give credit to ABLsaurusRex for pounding the pavement by finding some notable citations, although not all independent of the subject itself, but much more encyclopedic than the previous version. I believe some lattitude should be given in this case.-- Hu12 17:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
What I don't understand from this discussion is a comparison with a ridiculous trivial programming language that is listed in the WP called Brainfuck. I don't see ANY notability for it at all. I see of lists of external links and usage. We can provide that as well. But multiple independent published sources are not listed for Brainfuck. Progress is not a trivial language that can list all it's thousands of commands. So it seems very plain editor bias in persecuting Progress, which has a large worldwide community of developers and actually is used to generate revenue by thousands of companies. The editors seem to be unaware of embedded systems and value added resellers and how they work. I don't know what the Progress wiki looked like before but it had to be more than this. ninjadude9 04:33, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I have removed all the cra^H^H^Hstuff and started fresh. I'm in ABQ, and I doubt that we have a library large enough to have copies of Datapro, but some someone who has access to older copies of datapro might one to consult one of their articles. They were, at least in the 80's and early 90's an independent source evaluating the capabilities of various 4GLs and other application development environments. Greg.Higgins@peg.com 17:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I've made a first pass and added some structure that I mean to fill in shortly. Hopefully we'll get some time to fill in the structure. Greg.Higgins@peg.com 20:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I archived the old discussion /Archive 1. It was getting to be a lot to scroll through to get to the current discussion. I debated with myself, the only debates I seem to win, and decided that the Rewrite section didn't need to be brought over since a rewrite had already taken place. Greg.Higgins@peg.com 22:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I renamed the topic to OpenEdge Advanced Business Language (ABL) because I have a penchant for accuracy and the whole Progress 4GL kept nagging at me a being somewhat inaccurate. While I suspect that most folks who know still say PROGRESS, that will change over time. Greg.Higgins@peg.com 23:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
How about:
I removed the stucture I originally installed, because I couldn't figure out how to fill it in without violating PSC copyrights. Greg.Higgins@peg.com 14:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I found this article useful for historical information but nearly useless in terms of technical details.
Does it support recursion? Is it strongly or weakly typed? Does it support arrays? objects? How does it compare to other 4GL languages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.174.194.201 ( talk) 19:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I've just added some basic information on the syntax, and some simple examples. Agreed, someone better at comparative languages than me should get techie with this. 78.144.210.129 ( talk) 15:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
the language looks like the polished article of a terrible relational outcome if not well regarded for the finished article presentation of industrial loss from flight of fancy. I cringe to project the utility of programming code into natural language excesses with bloated verbose celebrated Cnua ( talk) 19:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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This has just gone from bad to worse. The new article REALLY DOES look like nothing more than a fluff piece. The old article had flaws, but this is not an improvement. 80.195.66.18 15:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Realy there is no way to get around the fluff, however I do give credit to ABLsaurusRex for pounding the pavement by finding some notable citations, although not all independent of the subject itself, but much more encyclopedic than the previous version. I believe some lattitude should be given in this case.-- Hu12 17:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
What I don't understand from this discussion is a comparison with a ridiculous trivial programming language that is listed in the WP called Brainfuck. I don't see ANY notability for it at all. I see of lists of external links and usage. We can provide that as well. But multiple independent published sources are not listed for Brainfuck. Progress is not a trivial language that can list all it's thousands of commands. So it seems very plain editor bias in persecuting Progress, which has a large worldwide community of developers and actually is used to generate revenue by thousands of companies. The editors seem to be unaware of embedded systems and value added resellers and how they work. I don't know what the Progress wiki looked like before but it had to be more than this. ninjadude9 04:33, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I have removed all the cra^H^H^Hstuff and started fresh. I'm in ABQ, and I doubt that we have a library large enough to have copies of Datapro, but some someone who has access to older copies of datapro might one to consult one of their articles. They were, at least in the 80's and early 90's an independent source evaluating the capabilities of various 4GLs and other application development environments. Greg.Higgins@peg.com 17:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I've made a first pass and added some structure that I mean to fill in shortly. Hopefully we'll get some time to fill in the structure. Greg.Higgins@peg.com 20:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I archived the old discussion /Archive 1. It was getting to be a lot to scroll through to get to the current discussion. I debated with myself, the only debates I seem to win, and decided that the Rewrite section didn't need to be brought over since a rewrite had already taken place. Greg.Higgins@peg.com 22:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I renamed the topic to OpenEdge Advanced Business Language (ABL) because I have a penchant for accuracy and the whole Progress 4GL kept nagging at me a being somewhat inaccurate. While I suspect that most folks who know still say PROGRESS, that will change over time. Greg.Higgins@peg.com 23:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
How about:
I removed the stucture I originally installed, because I couldn't figure out how to fill it in without violating PSC copyrights. Greg.Higgins@peg.com 14:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I found this article useful for historical information but nearly useless in terms of technical details.
Does it support recursion? Is it strongly or weakly typed? Does it support arrays? objects? How does it compare to other 4GL languages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.174.194.201 ( talk) 19:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I've just added some basic information on the syntax, and some simple examples. Agreed, someone better at comparative languages than me should get techie with this. 78.144.210.129 ( talk) 15:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
the language looks like the polished article of a terrible relational outcome if not well regarded for the finished article presentation of industrial loss from flight of fancy. I cringe to project the utility of programming code into natural language excesses with bloated verbose celebrated Cnua ( talk) 19:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)