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Very few players are actually professional by any formal definition of the term, and that means that the using that word in the title is a bit of a cliche and peacock term.-- Prisencolinensinainciusol ( talk) 18:57, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Drwoo217, the page is unreadable right now. It's impossible to know where you are based on the format. Also you don't need to revert each edit you just go to the last version you want restore that version. I'll correct it to a better format Valoem talk contrib 04:47, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
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I believe wavedashing and wobbling is probably notable enough for a stand alone article any opinions? User:UltraDark, User:Drwoo217, and User:Prisencolin, I believe both have received enough mainstream coverage. Valoem talk contrib 19:59, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone for their hard work on the page, but it's gotten a bit to large. I'm thinkng a split or possibily removal of certain content. Any thoughts?-- Prisencolin ( talk) 16:11, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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Note: Please see the previous section. We started discussing cleaning up this article three months ago and never really got anywhere, but many of these points have already been brought up. Specifics for what might be trimmed and/or removed were also given. Thanks. — zziccardi ( talk) 17:46, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
It looks like @ Izno: removed some cruft and cleaned the article which I mostly agree, however I think there should be discussion as to what should be removed. I think it is vital that player rankings remain, tier list should definitely go though. Valoem talk contrib 14:16, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
I've undone the revert--it's clear to me that no reliable sources are forthcoming and the editor desiring to keep the content has been provided a week now. We should strive for prose based on reliable sources. @ Valoem: If you think the content is worth keeping, you should perhaps work on a sandbox to get the content into a good shape.
I've also re-redirected Smashboards; while it "survived" an AFD, it did so with a "no consensus" close. If I had fallen on the "delete" side it probably would have been deleted then. As it is now, I'm at the point where it is definitely desirable to merge the reliably sourced content here--the topics match well and it seems to me that Smashboards is indeed something worth talking about, though perhaps in no-great-amount. -- Izno ( talk) 13:30, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Izno: has expressed a desire to merge Smashboards with this article. I am wholly against the merge, Smashboards has had a notable influence on the community as documented by sources. The prior AfD was closed as no consensus. I am interested in what editors who actively expand the article opinions are here. I am going to ping some active editors User:Maplestrip, User:Drwoo217, User:Prisencolin and User:UltraDark. I think Professional Super Smash Bros. competition has some excessive information, but I disagree with the removal of player rankings and the merge of Smashboards. Valoem talk contrib 17:08, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Presently, the material in the tier list section, the rankings section, and in the largest tournaments section is not verified by reliable, secondary sources such that the correct weight of those topics is assigned to these sections. The users defending their inclusion have not provided the necessary reliable sources. A previous discussion began at #This page is way too long and continued in #Clean up was not conclusive but appears to indicate that the material should indeed be removed (based on the above-cited policies and guidelines).
Should the content continue to exist as it does in the article at present, or should it be removed until such time as reliable, secondary sources are available? -- Izno ( talk) 19:01, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
information a reader would be looking foris not what Wikipedia is for, for if that were our only goal, we would no doubt necessarily engage in original research, write about fringe topics in great length, and other discussions. "Normal" sports articles being of poor quality (and that poor quality is systemic, regardless of the kind of article you might be reading, whether game, tournament, biography, or team) does not imply that we should be of a similar quality (review WP:OSE). If you have sources which are reliable, by all means, provide them. I might suggest, however, you actually verify them as reliable by using the list provided at WP:VGRS. -- Izno ( talk) 14:46, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
I've trimmed to top ten, per discussion and added sources, there are no reliable sources for Brawl, I believe ssbcentral is reliable for 64 rankings, but it does not pass WP:VG/RS. Not sure what to do with those sections, but tournament results and added rankings for Melee and Wii U certainly have sources which pass WP:VG/RS. I started adding sources for tournament results for 2017. There are more sources coming. Valoem talk contrib 18:05, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
I've just blanked the 64 and Brawl rankings pending further discussion. Valoem talk contrib 18:15, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them.(emphasis original). Your viewpoint was neither the majority viewpoint nor is your viewpoint now supported by the closure. There are other places for this material, and those places cover it well. As it is, the sources we are using get eyebrows raised at AFD and elsewhere (ref WP:Articles for deletion/Buck (video game) (2nd nomination)), so we really should attempt to knock primary sources down whenever they pop up in articles on video game-related material. If you've got the secondary source material, let's write a really cool article on what those sources said rather than use these lists to prop the article up. -- Izno ( talk) 02:59, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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I feel like this is hot right now, and Digital Trends, ESPN, and ShackNews have covered this. Should we add this to the article, while keeping in like with WP:BLP like always? ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki ( talk | contribs) 04:06, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello! It appears that this article primarily focuses on the history of competitive Smash in Melee, however I feel that this is a bit WP:UNDUE given that the article title is not "Super Smash Bros. Melee in esports" but rather "Super Smash Bros. in esports" referring to the series in general. So I Feel that the section on Melee's history could be slimmed down and all games could be mentioned. ― Blaze Wolf TalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:08, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
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Was there already a discussion of which definitive order the "Tournament results" section should be? I have a feeling that it would be more accurate to sort the links chronologically than alphabetically, as a way to reflect the evolution of the series' esports community. Carlinal ( talk) 01:06, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
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Very few players are actually professional by any formal definition of the term, and that means that the using that word in the title is a bit of a cliche and peacock term.-- Prisencolinensinainciusol ( talk) 18:57, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Drwoo217, the page is unreadable right now. It's impossible to know where you are based on the format. Also you don't need to revert each edit you just go to the last version you want restore that version. I'll correct it to a better format Valoem talk contrib 04:47, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
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I believe wavedashing and wobbling is probably notable enough for a stand alone article any opinions? User:UltraDark, User:Drwoo217, and User:Prisencolin, I believe both have received enough mainstream coverage. Valoem talk contrib 19:59, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone for their hard work on the page, but it's gotten a bit to large. I'm thinkng a split or possibily removal of certain content. Any thoughts?-- Prisencolin ( talk) 16:11, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
-- Prisencolin ( talk) 05:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Note: Please see the previous section. We started discussing cleaning up this article three months ago and never really got anywhere, but many of these points have already been brought up. Specifics for what might be trimmed and/or removed were also given. Thanks. — zziccardi ( talk) 17:46, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
It looks like @ Izno: removed some cruft and cleaned the article which I mostly agree, however I think there should be discussion as to what should be removed. I think it is vital that player rankings remain, tier list should definitely go though. Valoem talk contrib 14:16, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
I've undone the revert--it's clear to me that no reliable sources are forthcoming and the editor desiring to keep the content has been provided a week now. We should strive for prose based on reliable sources. @ Valoem: If you think the content is worth keeping, you should perhaps work on a sandbox to get the content into a good shape.
I've also re-redirected Smashboards; while it "survived" an AFD, it did so with a "no consensus" close. If I had fallen on the "delete" side it probably would have been deleted then. As it is now, I'm at the point where it is definitely desirable to merge the reliably sourced content here--the topics match well and it seems to me that Smashboards is indeed something worth talking about, though perhaps in no-great-amount. -- Izno ( talk) 13:30, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Izno: has expressed a desire to merge Smashboards with this article. I am wholly against the merge, Smashboards has had a notable influence on the community as documented by sources. The prior AfD was closed as no consensus. I am interested in what editors who actively expand the article opinions are here. I am going to ping some active editors User:Maplestrip, User:Drwoo217, User:Prisencolin and User:UltraDark. I think Professional Super Smash Bros. competition has some excessive information, but I disagree with the removal of player rankings and the merge of Smashboards. Valoem talk contrib 17:08, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Presently, the material in the tier list section, the rankings section, and in the largest tournaments section is not verified by reliable, secondary sources such that the correct weight of those topics is assigned to these sections. The users defending their inclusion have not provided the necessary reliable sources. A previous discussion began at #This page is way too long and continued in #Clean up was not conclusive but appears to indicate that the material should indeed be removed (based on the above-cited policies and guidelines).
Should the content continue to exist as it does in the article at present, or should it be removed until such time as reliable, secondary sources are available? -- Izno ( talk) 19:01, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
information a reader would be looking foris not what Wikipedia is for, for if that were our only goal, we would no doubt necessarily engage in original research, write about fringe topics in great length, and other discussions. "Normal" sports articles being of poor quality (and that poor quality is systemic, regardless of the kind of article you might be reading, whether game, tournament, biography, or team) does not imply that we should be of a similar quality (review WP:OSE). If you have sources which are reliable, by all means, provide them. I might suggest, however, you actually verify them as reliable by using the list provided at WP:VGRS. -- Izno ( talk) 14:46, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
I've trimmed to top ten, per discussion and added sources, there are no reliable sources for Brawl, I believe ssbcentral is reliable for 64 rankings, but it does not pass WP:VG/RS. Not sure what to do with those sections, but tournament results and added rankings for Melee and Wii U certainly have sources which pass WP:VG/RS. I started adding sources for tournament results for 2017. There are more sources coming. Valoem talk contrib 18:05, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
I've just blanked the 64 and Brawl rankings pending further discussion. Valoem talk contrib 18:15, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them.(emphasis original). Your viewpoint was neither the majority viewpoint nor is your viewpoint now supported by the closure. There are other places for this material, and those places cover it well. As it is, the sources we are using get eyebrows raised at AFD and elsewhere (ref WP:Articles for deletion/Buck (video game) (2nd nomination)), so we really should attempt to knock primary sources down whenever they pop up in articles on video game-related material. If you've got the secondary source material, let's write a really cool article on what those sources said rather than use these lists to prop the article up. -- Izno ( talk) 02:59, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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I feel like this is hot right now, and Digital Trends, ESPN, and ShackNews have covered this. Should we add this to the article, while keeping in like with WP:BLP like always? ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki ( talk | contribs) 04:06, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello! It appears that this article primarily focuses on the history of competitive Smash in Melee, however I feel that this is a bit WP:UNDUE given that the article title is not "Super Smash Bros. Melee in esports" but rather "Super Smash Bros. in esports" referring to the series in general. So I Feel that the section on Melee's history could be slimmed down and all games could be mentioned. ― Blaze Wolf TalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:08, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
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Was there already a discussion of which definitive order the "Tournament results" section should be? I have a feeling that it would be more accurate to sort the links chronologically than alphabetically, as a way to reflect the evolution of the series' esports community. Carlinal ( talk) 01:06, 28 December 2022 (UTC)