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Hi all. I wanted to start a discussion on what we can do to improve this page. At the moment, it's quite bland compared to other pages and also I think a lot of the text is verbose. Please put down suggestions so that we can improve the page and lift the quality. My first suggestion is: what about a picture? We could include perhaps the hackneyed, media representation of the PI (trenchcoat, fedora, as is in the popular imagination) and perhaps a picture of a PI working in real life. Any thoughts? Blaise Joshua 08:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Especially if it means dumping the fiction onto a different page! ;-) -- hydeblake 14:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion the fictional PI nowadays is no longer the stereoyped raincoat and fedora wearer but is coming markedly closer to the true life profession that I, as a practicing Investigator, experience. Of course, this could explain the wain of popularity of the TV PI for the more gritty cop shows and the banal 'Reality TV' shows flooding the airwaves. The laws that bind any profession aligned to the legal side of life is bound to make life a little more mundane but not completely... I was responsible for script editting a TV series and it was part of my remit that I would not get involved if the writers hadnt followed the profession as closely as poetic license allowed. They did and whilst it was well received amongst the professionals it also retained some humour and grit to enable it to be entertaining. Not entertaining enough though to give it longevity, but we tried. Watsondog
Considering WP's external link guidelines and what this article is not about (I agree with Blaise on that issue) I think we should probably eliminate the section for associations. PeetMoss 13:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Damn stupid idea!-- hydeblake 10:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Since the editor asserts that my wording on those terms is ungrammatical (which is irrelevant to the presence of those facts in the article) and also incorrect, he needs to step up and present what the thinks are the correct origins of those terms. Baseball Bugs 11:22, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Whilst we're on the subject and theme of deleting section, I have an issue with the "See Also" section. This is a list of supposedly connected pages that really should be explained within the text itself. A number of the terms are already linked onto the relevant pages, so deletion would not cause any problems or confusion. Would anyone have any objections if I deleted this list?-- hydeblake 13:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't see the reason we need a section about fictional PI's where we try to include links and short descriptions of every show produced. Why not dump the "PIs in fiction" section onto another page and call it " Private Investigators in Mass Media"? If we move this section to it's own page it will probably get plenty of attention and the move might help keep this article focused on describing what a private investigator is. I suggest using the term Mass media so it can include fictional, non-fictional, TV shows, movies, books, magazines, comic books, etc. PeetMoss 13:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Although I don't like the section as it is, I'm against deleting it. Many pages have a section entitled "**Subject of Article**s in Fiction", from diseases to professions. As previously stated, I think that the PI in the popular consciousness is too strong a force to be ignored, whether or not we think it's a positive or negative image. However, I certainly don't like long lists of shows, characters and programmes which few people have ever heard of and barely register on a list of notable fiction. Blaise Joshua 09:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
This was removed from the main page on Sept 5 at 10.11, UK time.-- hydeblake 09:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Article Edit - The 21st century PI
==============
--Begin my Edit-- **MOST of this article is correct; however there are many changes to the work of the 21st
century P.I. Having been working in this field for the past 15 years; I can attest to
the rapidly changing times and techniques. What is now available is truly
extrodinary.
The major impact of change resonates with the internet; its people
and its databases. Many PI's (at least those worth their salt) have come to at least
realize, if not yet learned and taken advantage of, the many varied aspects the internet
provides to the Private Investigator.
Information which used to take weeks or even longer to compile can now be found with a
couple of dollars and a few mouse-clicks. Where P.I.'s used to have to wait for the
*snail-mail* to arrive with say -- birth information, etcetera...it can now be had
within minutes and emailed to the client right away. The days of the old *gum-shoe* are
mainly past -- one exclusion to this is survellience (but the equipment for that now
used has also changed dramatically -- the high tech gear available now is truly amazing!)
One great example of the new internet P.I. work is legal phone tracing - now, while it is true that Congress recently made obtaining toll-records to Joe-public illegal; there is still nothing illegal about reversing a cell phone number to the users name and address - a good example of this type of work being done is at: http://www.cell-phone-numbers.com
There is now no waiting for an answer on the phone or a call back from a message left on a machine - just send an email with what you need and usually (if you have gotten ahold of a reputable company as mentioned above) - you will have your information within HOURS.
Now, simply because cell "phonebooks" do not exist does not make it illegal to obtain the
information. A cell phone number by nature is not an "unlisted nor non-published"
number.
Even if the day arrives where someone trys to put a cell phonebook together (yes, they are trying now), it will be out-dated within minutes; people change their cell numbers like their clothing. This is one type of database that will NEVER be up to date or accurate. This is a fine example of when the 21st century P.I.; schooled in this particular type of investigation; IS the answer and probably the Only answer.
Further to this original article, there are over 500 *Types* of investigation/investigators. This is probably a very little known fact--but it is important because if you need a very specific type of information -- make sure that the P.I. you go to knows what they are doing! You don't want to be paying for someone who cannot produce what you need for you!
This original atricle also states there is "little room for advancement" in this profession. While that may have been true at some time (I would not be sure when) - if you are good at what you do and a self-motivated curious person, you will find there is lots of room for advancement! Number one on the list is the best -- simply put, if you have the knowledge and skills, it is very easy and inexpensive to set up your own agency and be self-employed. This is so attractive for many and it is one field where it is quite simple to find a niche. Hone one skill well; be honest and promote yourself well, and you are on your way to making a lot of money quickly.
---end EDIT---
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_of_the_United_States_Government This issue was dealt with sometime last year.
A work of the United States government, as defined by United States copyright law, is "a work prepared by an officer or employee of the U.S. government as part of that person's official duties."[1] The term only applies to the work of the federal government, not state or local governments. Such works are not entitled to domestic copyright protection under U.S. law, sometimes referred to as "noncopyright." PeetMoss ( talk) 19:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe that this article should mention the current private investigative agencies. Such is because private investigative agencies play a premier role the investigative industry. private detective agencies of all sizes have out paced freelance private detectives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.239.144 ( talk) 13:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
This list does not serve as directory but simply lists current and future articles about the license requirements of each juristiction for one to become a private investigator. This articles alsodiscuss the nature of private investigative work in various juristictions.
Sandra Hope of Mate Check Private Investigations is the most publicized female private investigator of modern day. She is a real life private investigator see all of her media on http://www.matechecpi.com/html/mediacoverage.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasscharrer ( talk • contribs) 02:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
I sorry that you feel this way but we have to do something that will make everyone happy. If you were to view the media page of SAndra Hpe you will see what I'm saying is true about her. She is part of a movement in the modern P.I. world and should be recognized for that directing your readers to her media page was to educate your readers about the type of investigative work she does with decoy's. The paragraph I incerted was below a paragraph that was talking about infidelity investigations and this just adds to the topice. Decoy opporations are very popular and highly publiciized. Se the media page for yourself. No where in your article does it mention undercver decoy opperations. Sandra Hope has media coverage dating back to 1994 she has recently been on Larry King regarding the Spritzer fallout and what she could have done as an investigator to eliminate the problem for the spouse before it was to late. We have to figure out some way of refferencing Sandra Hope and bringing the content of the media available to your readers. Sandra Hope is of course very much alive and in business so I'm sorry you thought it was an advertisement, I just pointed your readers to the media page. I hope she does not have to die before she is recognized. She really is the most publicly recognised female private investigator that also happens to help people deal with infdelity. I am open to suggestions to how we can include her to your standards. Please help with idea's, because to not include her will be a contradiction of the page, Sandra definatley hold water see for yourself. She is no different than other P.I.s in history because she is making history. She is the first P.I. agency to offer the decoy service over 16 years ago. She is the founder of this service that no one ccan make a claim to this specialty prdating Sandra. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasscharrer ( talk • contribs) 13:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
It is my understanding that PI's have a badge of some sort that identifies them, Is this correct, and if so, who issues them? The State? Sephiroth storm ( talk) 07:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
It depends which jurisdiction they work in. In Britain and Ireland, which doesn't have licensing yet, there is no official form of ID. Blaise Joshua ( talk) 09:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
When we picture private investigators, especially in divorce cases, we picture them hiding in the bushes taking pictures of people doing "questionable" things. This is just one of many things that could easily justify an invasion of privacy, and not only have the evidence gathered thrown out due to that, but also, have a tort that the defendant can counter-sue over.
I'd like to see a section that addresses this issue, and how private eyes overcome this obstacle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.178.75.61 ( talk) 06:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
What details on licensing? What does an investigative license let someone do which an unlicensed person cannot? What responsibilities does a licensed person have which an unlicensed person does not? -- 67.180.106.165 ( talk) 04:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
This is the information I came to this page to find, and I was disappointed that there was no discussion of it in relation to the United States (which is the opposite of the usual problem on Wikipedia). What does being a licensed PI let you do? Under what circumstances can you get into trouble for not having such a license? Suttkus ( talk) 08:51, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Suttkus I'm sure you have found your answers by now, but ill try to answer them anyway for the benefit of others. Having a PI licence in the United States allows one to legally contract to conduct an investigation, collection of info and to present themselves as a Private Investigator or Detective. By not having the licence you are usually prohibited from doing all three of those things depending on state. There are exceptions such as for attorneys, or persons who only conduct internal investigations. Each state is a little different. As far as special privileges or powers there are not really any except for carrying a gun in a few jurisdictions, others grant that authority using a separate card or a concealed weapons permit. One advantage of having the licence is you can then attend training and join associations that compile databases that are very helpful in doing the job. I hope you find that helpful. Editors if anyone wants to find a way to incorporate this information in some way feel free. Schemel ( talk) 14:05, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
I recently created an article on Undercover investigator but was quickly deleted as it was thought to refer to this article, Private investigator. But looking at the contents of this article, it seems the titles are quite different in meaning. In my opinion, a private investigator is a person who is hired to conduct an inquiry into a matter while an undercover investigator conducts investigations of an activity while impersonating a disinterested party with hidden aims and methods. Undercover investigators keep their real identities secret throughout their work while the same cannot be said of private investigators. Based on the aforementioned reasons, I think the article should make a clear distinction between the two subjects. -- Michael K ( talk) 02:10, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Under the Employment Section where it reads: "Most jurisdictions require a clean criminal record at the licensing application entry point. When a board of directors exists, it will review an applicant's appeal to determine whether the board can approve the application based on the elapsed amount of time since the last offence was recorded. The board of appeal may approve an application based on good conduct within the last five to ten years."
Seems out of context and flow of the rest of the section. It needs to be clarified, should the Template:Confusing_section be added? Aresilek ( talk) 02:13, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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An anon IP has repeatedly added Batman to the list of fictional private investigators. There's no similarity whatsoever. Rather than break the 3RR I have added a warning to the users talk page, but would welcome input from others. Thanks.
Many of the investigators in this list are not PIs by use of the definition at the beginning of this article.
I have made additions in brackets to a number of the entries but I would prefer to delete the non-PIs from this list entirely.
This I will do sometime after 1/1/18 unless there is a convincing case for clemency.
-- Davidbrookesland ( talk) 18:05, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Is there the professions of "private inspector" and "private special agent"? There are the professions of "private investigator" and "private detective". Kenixkil ( talk) 05:49, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
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Hi all. I wanted to start a discussion on what we can do to improve this page. At the moment, it's quite bland compared to other pages and also I think a lot of the text is verbose. Please put down suggestions so that we can improve the page and lift the quality. My first suggestion is: what about a picture? We could include perhaps the hackneyed, media representation of the PI (trenchcoat, fedora, as is in the popular imagination) and perhaps a picture of a PI working in real life. Any thoughts? Blaise Joshua 08:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Especially if it means dumping the fiction onto a different page! ;-) -- hydeblake 14:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion the fictional PI nowadays is no longer the stereoyped raincoat and fedora wearer but is coming markedly closer to the true life profession that I, as a practicing Investigator, experience. Of course, this could explain the wain of popularity of the TV PI for the more gritty cop shows and the banal 'Reality TV' shows flooding the airwaves. The laws that bind any profession aligned to the legal side of life is bound to make life a little more mundane but not completely... I was responsible for script editting a TV series and it was part of my remit that I would not get involved if the writers hadnt followed the profession as closely as poetic license allowed. They did and whilst it was well received amongst the professionals it also retained some humour and grit to enable it to be entertaining. Not entertaining enough though to give it longevity, but we tried. Watsondog
Considering WP's external link guidelines and what this article is not about (I agree with Blaise on that issue) I think we should probably eliminate the section for associations. PeetMoss 13:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Damn stupid idea!-- hydeblake 10:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Since the editor asserts that my wording on those terms is ungrammatical (which is irrelevant to the presence of those facts in the article) and also incorrect, he needs to step up and present what the thinks are the correct origins of those terms. Baseball Bugs 11:22, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Whilst we're on the subject and theme of deleting section, I have an issue with the "See Also" section. This is a list of supposedly connected pages that really should be explained within the text itself. A number of the terms are already linked onto the relevant pages, so deletion would not cause any problems or confusion. Would anyone have any objections if I deleted this list?-- hydeblake 13:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't see the reason we need a section about fictional PI's where we try to include links and short descriptions of every show produced. Why not dump the "PIs in fiction" section onto another page and call it " Private Investigators in Mass Media"? If we move this section to it's own page it will probably get plenty of attention and the move might help keep this article focused on describing what a private investigator is. I suggest using the term Mass media so it can include fictional, non-fictional, TV shows, movies, books, magazines, comic books, etc. PeetMoss 13:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Although I don't like the section as it is, I'm against deleting it. Many pages have a section entitled "**Subject of Article**s in Fiction", from diseases to professions. As previously stated, I think that the PI in the popular consciousness is too strong a force to be ignored, whether or not we think it's a positive or negative image. However, I certainly don't like long lists of shows, characters and programmes which few people have ever heard of and barely register on a list of notable fiction. Blaise Joshua 09:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
This was removed from the main page on Sept 5 at 10.11, UK time.-- hydeblake 09:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Article Edit - The 21st century PI
==============
--Begin my Edit-- **MOST of this article is correct; however there are many changes to the work of the 21st
century P.I. Having been working in this field for the past 15 years; I can attest to
the rapidly changing times and techniques. What is now available is truly
extrodinary.
The major impact of change resonates with the internet; its people
and its databases. Many PI's (at least those worth their salt) have come to at least
realize, if not yet learned and taken advantage of, the many varied aspects the internet
provides to the Private Investigator.
Information which used to take weeks or even longer to compile can now be found with a
couple of dollars and a few mouse-clicks. Where P.I.'s used to have to wait for the
*snail-mail* to arrive with say -- birth information, etcetera...it can now be had
within minutes and emailed to the client right away. The days of the old *gum-shoe* are
mainly past -- one exclusion to this is survellience (but the equipment for that now
used has also changed dramatically -- the high tech gear available now is truly amazing!)
One great example of the new internet P.I. work is legal phone tracing - now, while it is true that Congress recently made obtaining toll-records to Joe-public illegal; there is still nothing illegal about reversing a cell phone number to the users name and address - a good example of this type of work being done is at: http://www.cell-phone-numbers.com
There is now no waiting for an answer on the phone or a call back from a message left on a machine - just send an email with what you need and usually (if you have gotten ahold of a reputable company as mentioned above) - you will have your information within HOURS.
Now, simply because cell "phonebooks" do not exist does not make it illegal to obtain the
information. A cell phone number by nature is not an "unlisted nor non-published"
number.
Even if the day arrives where someone trys to put a cell phonebook together (yes, they are trying now), it will be out-dated within minutes; people change their cell numbers like their clothing. This is one type of database that will NEVER be up to date or accurate. This is a fine example of when the 21st century P.I.; schooled in this particular type of investigation; IS the answer and probably the Only answer.
Further to this original article, there are over 500 *Types* of investigation/investigators. This is probably a very little known fact--but it is important because if you need a very specific type of information -- make sure that the P.I. you go to knows what they are doing! You don't want to be paying for someone who cannot produce what you need for you!
This original atricle also states there is "little room for advancement" in this profession. While that may have been true at some time (I would not be sure when) - if you are good at what you do and a self-motivated curious person, you will find there is lots of room for advancement! Number one on the list is the best -- simply put, if you have the knowledge and skills, it is very easy and inexpensive to set up your own agency and be self-employed. This is so attractive for many and it is one field where it is quite simple to find a niche. Hone one skill well; be honest and promote yourself well, and you are on your way to making a lot of money quickly.
---end EDIT---
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_of_the_United_States_Government This issue was dealt with sometime last year.
A work of the United States government, as defined by United States copyright law, is "a work prepared by an officer or employee of the U.S. government as part of that person's official duties."[1] The term only applies to the work of the federal government, not state or local governments. Such works are not entitled to domestic copyright protection under U.S. law, sometimes referred to as "noncopyright." PeetMoss ( talk) 19:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe that this article should mention the current private investigative agencies. Such is because private investigative agencies play a premier role the investigative industry. private detective agencies of all sizes have out paced freelance private detectives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.239.144 ( talk) 13:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
This list does not serve as directory but simply lists current and future articles about the license requirements of each juristiction for one to become a private investigator. This articles alsodiscuss the nature of private investigative work in various juristictions.
Sandra Hope of Mate Check Private Investigations is the most publicized female private investigator of modern day. She is a real life private investigator see all of her media on http://www.matechecpi.com/html/mediacoverage.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasscharrer ( talk • contribs) 02:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
I sorry that you feel this way but we have to do something that will make everyone happy. If you were to view the media page of SAndra Hpe you will see what I'm saying is true about her. She is part of a movement in the modern P.I. world and should be recognized for that directing your readers to her media page was to educate your readers about the type of investigative work she does with decoy's. The paragraph I incerted was below a paragraph that was talking about infidelity investigations and this just adds to the topice. Decoy opporations are very popular and highly publiciized. Se the media page for yourself. No where in your article does it mention undercver decoy opperations. Sandra Hope has media coverage dating back to 1994 she has recently been on Larry King regarding the Spritzer fallout and what she could have done as an investigator to eliminate the problem for the spouse before it was to late. We have to figure out some way of refferencing Sandra Hope and bringing the content of the media available to your readers. Sandra Hope is of course very much alive and in business so I'm sorry you thought it was an advertisement, I just pointed your readers to the media page. I hope she does not have to die before she is recognized. She really is the most publicly recognised female private investigator that also happens to help people deal with infdelity. I am open to suggestions to how we can include her to your standards. Please help with idea's, because to not include her will be a contradiction of the page, Sandra definatley hold water see for yourself. She is no different than other P.I.s in history because she is making history. She is the first P.I. agency to offer the decoy service over 16 years ago. She is the founder of this service that no one ccan make a claim to this specialty prdating Sandra. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasscharrer ( talk • contribs) 13:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
It is my understanding that PI's have a badge of some sort that identifies them, Is this correct, and if so, who issues them? The State? Sephiroth storm ( talk) 07:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
It depends which jurisdiction they work in. In Britain and Ireland, which doesn't have licensing yet, there is no official form of ID. Blaise Joshua ( talk) 09:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
When we picture private investigators, especially in divorce cases, we picture them hiding in the bushes taking pictures of people doing "questionable" things. This is just one of many things that could easily justify an invasion of privacy, and not only have the evidence gathered thrown out due to that, but also, have a tort that the defendant can counter-sue over.
I'd like to see a section that addresses this issue, and how private eyes overcome this obstacle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.178.75.61 ( talk) 06:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
What details on licensing? What does an investigative license let someone do which an unlicensed person cannot? What responsibilities does a licensed person have which an unlicensed person does not? -- 67.180.106.165 ( talk) 04:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
This is the information I came to this page to find, and I was disappointed that there was no discussion of it in relation to the United States (which is the opposite of the usual problem on Wikipedia). What does being a licensed PI let you do? Under what circumstances can you get into trouble for not having such a license? Suttkus ( talk) 08:51, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Suttkus I'm sure you have found your answers by now, but ill try to answer them anyway for the benefit of others. Having a PI licence in the United States allows one to legally contract to conduct an investigation, collection of info and to present themselves as a Private Investigator or Detective. By not having the licence you are usually prohibited from doing all three of those things depending on state. There are exceptions such as for attorneys, or persons who only conduct internal investigations. Each state is a little different. As far as special privileges or powers there are not really any except for carrying a gun in a few jurisdictions, others grant that authority using a separate card or a concealed weapons permit. One advantage of having the licence is you can then attend training and join associations that compile databases that are very helpful in doing the job. I hope you find that helpful. Editors if anyone wants to find a way to incorporate this information in some way feel free. Schemel ( talk) 14:05, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
I recently created an article on Undercover investigator but was quickly deleted as it was thought to refer to this article, Private investigator. But looking at the contents of this article, it seems the titles are quite different in meaning. In my opinion, a private investigator is a person who is hired to conduct an inquiry into a matter while an undercover investigator conducts investigations of an activity while impersonating a disinterested party with hidden aims and methods. Undercover investigators keep their real identities secret throughout their work while the same cannot be said of private investigators. Based on the aforementioned reasons, I think the article should make a clear distinction between the two subjects. -- Michael K ( talk) 02:10, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Under the Employment Section where it reads: "Most jurisdictions require a clean criminal record at the licensing application entry point. When a board of directors exists, it will review an applicant's appeal to determine whether the board can approve the application based on the elapsed amount of time since the last offence was recorded. The board of appeal may approve an application based on good conduct within the last five to ten years."
Seems out of context and flow of the rest of the section. It needs to be clarified, should the Template:Confusing_section be added? Aresilek ( talk) 02:13, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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An anon IP has repeatedly added Batman to the list of fictional private investigators. There's no similarity whatsoever. Rather than break the 3RR I have added a warning to the users talk page, but would welcome input from others. Thanks.
Many of the investigators in this list are not PIs by use of the definition at the beginning of this article.
I have made additions in brackets to a number of the entries but I would prefer to delete the non-PIs from this list entirely.
This I will do sometime after 1/1/18 unless there is a convincing case for clemency.
-- Davidbrookesland ( talk) 18:05, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Is there the professions of "private inspector" and "private special agent"? There are the professions of "private investigator" and "private detective". Kenixkil ( talk) 05:49, 4 June 2023 (UTC)