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I suggest merging this article to Kapo (concentration camp) since, as the article lead here (and there [1]) states, the Nazis commonly referred to the Funktionshäftling as a "kapo", and this is the term most widely used. "Kapo" receives 2,810,000 Google hits [2], while "Prisoner functionary" receives 224,000 Google hits [3]. Yoninah ( talk) 21:37, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I oppose the merge as kapo is a historical term that deserves its own page due to its information, etc Bobisland ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:50, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Has this "Merge" been forgotten about since May 2010? What is the end result of this? While it has been about 18 months since it was tagged. Feedback is appreciated. Adamdaley ( talk) 23:18, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Undoing merge because "kapo" is not synonymous with "prisoner functionary" (even in context of the Nazi concentration camps); the former refers only to prisoners who supervised other prisoners and work details, while prisoner functionary includes clerks, and various others who had administrative roles. Catrìona ( talk) 23:55, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
"The moment he becomes a Kapo, he no longer sleeps with them. He is held accountable for the performance of the work, that they are clean, that the beds are well-built. [...] So, he must drive his men. The moment we become dissatisfied with him, he is no longer Kapo, he's back to sleeping with his men. And he knows that he will be beaten to death by them the first night."
—Heinrich Himmler, June 21, 1944
(emphasis mine)
As English is not my native language I have had to learn it by being explicitly taught. I understand that by "sleeps with them" what is meant is that the prisoner literally sleeps in the same location as the other prisoners. But a native speaker might get the impression that the prisoner has sexual intercourse with the other prisoners. Of course Himmler did not write this in English but in German, and someone else translated this to English, either contemporarily or specifically for Wikipedia. Could this be phrased in a better way? JIP | Talk 14:15, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Despite Buidhe's split of the articles, the content in these seems not to be divergent at all; the lead section is virtually equivalent in both articles, and the article "Prisoner functionary", despite insistence that it is the more general term than kapo, only covers the Nazi concentration camps. A distinction, in my opinion, can be made inside the article. Your opinions here are welcome. Szmenderowiecki ( talk) 19:18, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
This article uses terminology and history relevant to its name, no it shouldn’t be merged Bobisland ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:44, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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A fact from Prisoner functionary appeared on Wikipedia's
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I suggest merging this article to Kapo (concentration camp) since, as the article lead here (and there [1]) states, the Nazis commonly referred to the Funktionshäftling as a "kapo", and this is the term most widely used. "Kapo" receives 2,810,000 Google hits [2], while "Prisoner functionary" receives 224,000 Google hits [3]. Yoninah ( talk) 21:37, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I oppose the merge as kapo is a historical term that deserves its own page due to its information, etc Bobisland ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:50, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Has this "Merge" been forgotten about since May 2010? What is the end result of this? While it has been about 18 months since it was tagged. Feedback is appreciated. Adamdaley ( talk) 23:18, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Undoing merge because "kapo" is not synonymous with "prisoner functionary" (even in context of the Nazi concentration camps); the former refers only to prisoners who supervised other prisoners and work details, while prisoner functionary includes clerks, and various others who had administrative roles. Catrìona ( talk) 23:55, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
"The moment he becomes a Kapo, he no longer sleeps with them. He is held accountable for the performance of the work, that they are clean, that the beds are well-built. [...] So, he must drive his men. The moment we become dissatisfied with him, he is no longer Kapo, he's back to sleeping with his men. And he knows that he will be beaten to death by them the first night."
—Heinrich Himmler, June 21, 1944
(emphasis mine)
As English is not my native language I have had to learn it by being explicitly taught. I understand that by "sleeps with them" what is meant is that the prisoner literally sleeps in the same location as the other prisoners. But a native speaker might get the impression that the prisoner has sexual intercourse with the other prisoners. Of course Himmler did not write this in English but in German, and someone else translated this to English, either contemporarily or specifically for Wikipedia. Could this be phrased in a better way? JIP | Talk 14:15, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Despite Buidhe's split of the articles, the content in these seems not to be divergent at all; the lead section is virtually equivalent in both articles, and the article "Prisoner functionary", despite insistence that it is the more general term than kapo, only covers the Nazi concentration camps. A distinction, in my opinion, can be made inside the article. Your opinions here are welcome. Szmenderowiecki ( talk) 19:18, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
This article uses terminology and history relevant to its name, no it shouldn’t be merged Bobisland ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:44, 11 July 2022 (UTC)