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Reviewer: Mujinga ( talk · contribs) 23:39, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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The pic is relevant, there's just a question over whether it is genuinely able to be licensed under creative commons, and I would suggest this can be resolved by emailing info@sahistory.org.za and checking about their policy as it regards this specific image.
Checked on earwig, no probs, some high percentages based on quotes
Generally good and MoS compliant. MOS:PARA suggests "The number of single-sentence paragraphs should be minimized, since they can inhibit the flow of the text" so some of them could be added to the preceding or following paragraph. Some comments:
Done
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:53, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:44, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:55, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done; Ktin ( talk) 23:28, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
Done; Alphabetized based on last name.
Done Ktin ( talk) 18:06, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Good catch. Ktin ( talk) 17:35, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Partly done Edited this; not fully convinced with my wording. Please feel free to suggest different. Ktin ( talk) 17:35, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 18:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 16:57, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 16:55, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 16:55, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 16:53, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Jana's obituaries (RiP) have provided the overview for this article to be expanded but for broad coverage we can also look to (google) books and (google) scholar articles for some extra information on her career and some more of her cases in addition to Biko. Done Ktin ( talk) 23:28, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
This is an interesting read and is not far off being a Good Article, but needs a bit of work, I've made some comments above. I'll put it on hold for a week and see how far we get. Mujinga ( talk) 14:53, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Also pinging Innisfree987 who created the page in case they want to be involved. Mujinga ( talk) 14:54, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Ktin and Innisfree987 for all the work so far. To continue the review, yes first thing outstanding is the image question, I have no further suggestion there, I'm happy to wait to see what SAH have to say. Of course if you want to avoid this issue, you could either remove the image or find another one. The article is currently on hold until Friday, since we are in good communication I have no probs with extending that longer if necessary. I also want to say I expected the DYK to be approved by the time the GA started, but that hasn't happened. I think it is OK for the two processes to be running concurrently, but perhaps not optimal since the DYK nom might throw up other concerns. In any case, I would like the DYK to be approved (not posted) by the time I make this a GA.
For other things outstanding, as I said above I'll come to the lead last since it's always good to return to that after working on everything else. However, if you do want to work on it in the meantime, it's always good to read MOS:LEAD and I would expect the lead to summarise the article. MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests one or two paragraphs, and I'd say two would be good, now we are on one and a half. There are still several one-line paragraphs and I'd still like to know what area she represented as MP. My question re broadness has been answered by the addition of more sources, that's great! Two extra wikilink suggestions would be Soweto on first mention and Black going to Ethnic groups in South Africa or perhaps Bantu peoples of South Africa whichever is more appropriate. Mujinga ( talk) 11:47, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi Innisfree987 and Ktin, nearly there now, please see my comments above. Mujinga ( talk) 18:12, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
So the article is now looking good, the lead is expanded. The only thing left is the image. So the original image was changed for a new one File:Priscilla Jana.jpeg and there was a question about the fair use rationale. Innisfree987 asked at several places, including Wikipedia:Help_desk#Fair_use_rationale (no response), Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red#Check_an_image_for_a_GA_review? and Wikipedia_talk:Good_article_nominations#Advice_on_image_licensing. There was no response on the helpdesk and at Women in Red people thought the rationale as good. At GAN, the discussion resulted in the image being reviewed and then led to various other debates such as "Images of recently deceased individuals" at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content about the application of WP:NFCI. There may have been a rule of thumb about not using free use images of deceased people for six months but I don't see that actually stated in the guidelines and there clearly has been attempt to find other images here. Mujinga ( talk) 20:19, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
The image itself is from http://www.dirco.gov.za/dircoenewsletter/newsflash449-15-10-2020.html, sourced to https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/condolences-human-rights-lawyer-priscilla-jana where the story at has no image. Following the GA criteria, I am satisfied a valid fair use rationale has been given for use of the image. Hopefully in time a free image can be used instead. Perhaps the DYK being on the frontpage will help with that process. Mujinga ( talk) 20:23, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Ktin and Innisfree987 congratulations on the good article about Priscilla Jana, RIP. It was fun working with you, it's nice when multiple people take an interest and the article definitely improves. All the best, Mujinga ( talk) 20:26, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
To me it makes sense to list this article at Wikipedia:Good_articles/Social_sciences_and_society#Law in the "Lawyers, judges and legal academics" section rather than at World history, if you disagree please do feel free to move it. Mujinga ( talk) 20:34, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Mujinga ( talk · contribs) 23:39, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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The pic is relevant, there's just a question over whether it is genuinely able to be licensed under creative commons, and I would suggest this can be resolved by emailing info@sahistory.org.za and checking about their policy as it regards this specific image.
Checked on earwig, no probs, some high percentages based on quotes
Generally good and MoS compliant. MOS:PARA suggests "The number of single-sentence paragraphs should be minimized, since they can inhibit the flow of the text" so some of them could be added to the preceding or following paragraph. Some comments:
Done
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:53, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:44, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:55, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 17:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done; Ktin ( talk) 23:28, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
Done; Alphabetized based on last name.
Done Ktin ( talk) 18:06, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Good catch. Ktin ( talk) 17:35, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Partly done Edited this; not fully convinced with my wording. Please feel free to suggest different. Ktin ( talk) 17:35, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 18:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 16:57, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 16:55, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 16:55, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Done Ktin ( talk) 16:53, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Jana's obituaries (RiP) have provided the overview for this article to be expanded but for broad coverage we can also look to (google) books and (google) scholar articles for some extra information on her career and some more of her cases in addition to Biko. Done Ktin ( talk) 23:28, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
This is an interesting read and is not far off being a Good Article, but needs a bit of work, I've made some comments above. I'll put it on hold for a week and see how far we get. Mujinga ( talk) 14:53, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Also pinging Innisfree987 who created the page in case they want to be involved. Mujinga ( talk) 14:54, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Ktin and Innisfree987 for all the work so far. To continue the review, yes first thing outstanding is the image question, I have no further suggestion there, I'm happy to wait to see what SAH have to say. Of course if you want to avoid this issue, you could either remove the image or find another one. The article is currently on hold until Friday, since we are in good communication I have no probs with extending that longer if necessary. I also want to say I expected the DYK to be approved by the time the GA started, but that hasn't happened. I think it is OK for the two processes to be running concurrently, but perhaps not optimal since the DYK nom might throw up other concerns. In any case, I would like the DYK to be approved (not posted) by the time I make this a GA.
For other things outstanding, as I said above I'll come to the lead last since it's always good to return to that after working on everything else. However, if you do want to work on it in the meantime, it's always good to read MOS:LEAD and I would expect the lead to summarise the article. MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests one or two paragraphs, and I'd say two would be good, now we are on one and a half. There are still several one-line paragraphs and I'd still like to know what area she represented as MP. My question re broadness has been answered by the addition of more sources, that's great! Two extra wikilink suggestions would be Soweto on first mention and Black going to Ethnic groups in South Africa or perhaps Bantu peoples of South Africa whichever is more appropriate. Mujinga ( talk) 11:47, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi Innisfree987 and Ktin, nearly there now, please see my comments above. Mujinga ( talk) 18:12, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
So the article is now looking good, the lead is expanded. The only thing left is the image. So the original image was changed for a new one File:Priscilla Jana.jpeg and there was a question about the fair use rationale. Innisfree987 asked at several places, including Wikipedia:Help_desk#Fair_use_rationale (no response), Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Women_in_Red#Check_an_image_for_a_GA_review? and Wikipedia_talk:Good_article_nominations#Advice_on_image_licensing. There was no response on the helpdesk and at Women in Red people thought the rationale as good. At GAN, the discussion resulted in the image being reviewed and then led to various other debates such as "Images of recently deceased individuals" at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content about the application of WP:NFCI. There may have been a rule of thumb about not using free use images of deceased people for six months but I don't see that actually stated in the guidelines and there clearly has been attempt to find other images here. Mujinga ( talk) 20:19, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
The image itself is from http://www.dirco.gov.za/dircoenewsletter/newsflash449-15-10-2020.html, sourced to https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/condolences-human-rights-lawyer-priscilla-jana where the story at has no image. Following the GA criteria, I am satisfied a valid fair use rationale has been given for use of the image. Hopefully in time a free image can be used instead. Perhaps the DYK being on the frontpage will help with that process. Mujinga ( talk) 20:23, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Ktin and Innisfree987 congratulations on the good article about Priscilla Jana, RIP. It was fun working with you, it's nice when multiple people take an interest and the article definitely improves. All the best, Mujinga ( talk) 20:26, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
To me it makes sense to list this article at Wikipedia:Good_articles/Social_sciences_and_society#Law in the "Lawyers, judges and legal academics" section rather than at World history, if you disagree please do feel free to move it. Mujinga ( talk) 20:34, 3 December 2020 (UTC)