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Does anyone know if she inspired this song? -- Ryan W ( talk) 08:42, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
At the end of this very informative article is a list of Canadian Regiments that still bear the name of Princess Louise.
Unfortunately however there is no mention of the British Regiments that fought in both the first and second world wars, and indeed 41 (Princess Louise of Kensington) Signal Squadron which still operates today within 31 Signal Regiment, and which has a significant role in UK Operations.
Would someone please research this and amend the article?
Many thanks.
An update to her military appointments, it is mentioned that she gave her name to 8th Canadian Hussars (Princess Louise's) but is not listed;
...permission was sought to include her name in the Regiment’s title. Princess Louise consented and in July 1884, the Regiment was redesignated the 8th Princess Louise’s New Brunswick Regiment of Cavalry. In 1889, the Regiment was officially classified as "Hussars" in the Militia List and in 1892 the Regiment was again redesignated the 8th Princess Louise’s New Brunswick Hussars, a title which remained until 1957. — Preceding
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According to historian Elie Auclair, Alberta was named in honor of missionary Albert Lacombe. Why is Princess Louise usually credited with the origin of the name ?
Surely saying that she was the most attractive of her sisters is a little POV? Just going on the photos that are currently on the pages, I would definitely have said Victoria. But perhaps a better picture could be found. On the other hand, if she was generally considered the most attractive of the sisters at the time and this is of any importance, someone should add a reference. 91.105.5.19 13:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I've removed from the opening paragraph the line about her 'evincing considerable boredom'. This is adequately and appropriately referenced in the section dealing with her time in Canada and does not belong to the general brief introduction to her - to have that statement there makes out it was her singular and most important attribute. Plutonium27 ( talk) 15:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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Charles was made a duke before that marriage. Or does "commoner" here mean "non-royal"? — Tamfang ( talk) 02:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I think use of the term non-royal may be more helpful. The article is technically correct because you are a commoner if you are not a peer. Although he was called Lord Lorne, technically it was his father's title that he used as a courtesy title, and so he was not a peer in his own right, but a commoner - until the death of his father. In the UK, nobles are legally commoners unless they are peers in their own right.
I would speculate that Charles Brandon, the first Duke of Suffolk was probably not yet the Duke of Suffolk when he married Mary Tudor, hence his description as a commoner. 121.73.7.84 ( talk) 08:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I have seen this page be vandalized many times since it has been posted as a FA. Maybe someone should protect it. kka rma 05:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Many of the streets in Brandon, Manitoba are named after people who were involved in the building of the Canadian Pacific railroad. Two of the downtown streets are Princess Avenue and Louise Avenue. They are on either side of Lorne Avenue, so Lord Lorne is surrounded by his wife. 216.36.132.66 ( talk) 13:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Was this princess ever referred to as Louisa? There is a lovely inlet on the BC coast called Princess Louisa Inlet that may have been named after this lady or her grandmother. Many adjoining geographic features are named for children of Queen Victoria. -- KenWalker | Talk 01:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
"No such marriage, between a daughter of a Sovereign and a British subject, had been given official recognition since 1515, when Charles Brandon, the first Duke of Suffolk, married Mary Tudor."
There are at least three problems with this statement:
Lord Lorne was a noted homosexual - I find it odd that this article merely refers to "rumours". Particularly since Princess Louise's search for sexual fulfilment outside her marriage is given so much space, it would be appropriate, and indeed necessary, that Lord Lorne's homosexuality be explicated rather more frankly and completely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.94.152 ( talk) 21:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi. When you say that Princess Louise was a supporter of the feminist movement, this is kind of anachronistic, since feminism wasn't really even a term at that point, and the suffragist movements and the several feminist movements haven't all been identical or even had exactly the same aims. I am willing to track down exactly which version of suffragism she involved herself with if you like, or perhaps this is already something you are on top of? Your page is so good, I didn't want to go in and just change things, so I thought I'd bring it up here. Sharon Scogdill ( talk) 15:09, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Also, in the intro the article says she was born Louise but she was christened Louisa, which the article confirms later. Is this a subtle distinction? or really we should say she was christened Louisa rather than that she was born Louise? Sharon Scogdill ( talk) 15:17, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
This article by Carolyn Harris might have information of use here: March 7, 2014 The Whig.com [1] -- KenWalker | Talk 05:18, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
The lede says: 'She was also a supporter of the feminist movement, corresponded with Josephine Butler and visited Elizabeth Garrett. She held that "the subject of Domestic Economy lies at the root of the – highest life of every true woman."
This also is silly. It is evident from cources cited in th emost recent bigoraphy of Princess Louise ("The Mystery of Princess Louise: Queen Victoria's Rebellious Daughter by Lucinda Hawksley") that the marriage was a effectively one of convenience on both sides, although the public were encouraged to believe it was a love match. JF42 ( talk) 11:44, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
This article needs to be updated to mention the Hawksley biography, which is quite incendiary. The section above hints at the great variation between this biography (which mentions 2 or 3 previous biographies of the princess, while we refer in Wikipedia's voice to Wake as her biographer as if hers is the only one) and the statements made in the article. Hawksley is almost definite that Lorne was gay and on p. 301 outright calls Henry Locock the princess's son. On less scandalous matters, too, Wikipedia is saying things that Hawksley convincingly demonstrates were otherwise: she repeatedly returned to Europe to escape the Canadian winter rather than having become used to it, and in her last 20 years of life, when not ill, she continued to have a heavy schedule of public appearances; she was never a shut-in or a recluse. The article has become outdated and needs to at least acknowledge this new portrait. Yngvadottir ( talk) 19:42, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
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I was disappointed that only one of the citations (the bust of Louise's brother, Leopold) led me to a photo so that I could see more of her work, other than the famous & oft-photographed Queen Victoria sculpture at KP. Judging by that statue alone, Louise seemed to be an extremely talented artist, so I was hoping to see other works of art she had done. Alas. Would someone know where & could add directions to Louise's works? TYVM in advance if anyone can. ScarletRibbons ( talk) 06:29, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Based on comments here and at Talk:Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone#Requested move 23 January 2023 ( permalink), there may need to be a broader discussion on the naming conventions. ( non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 ( talk · contribs) 15:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll → Princess Louise of the United Kingdom – Most articles about deceased princess of the royal blood seem to be titled based on how they were known at birth, as is the case with Louise's sisters Victoria, Princess Royal, Princess Helena of the United Kingdom, and Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom. I see no reason why Louise should be an exception. She is already the primary topic for the proposed rename, so there is not risk of confusion. Estar8806 ( talk) 20:59, 24 January 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 20:41, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
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Does anyone know if she inspired this song? -- Ryan W ( talk) 08:42, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
At the end of this very informative article is a list of Canadian Regiments that still bear the name of Princess Louise.
Unfortunately however there is no mention of the British Regiments that fought in both the first and second world wars, and indeed 41 (Princess Louise of Kensington) Signal Squadron which still operates today within 31 Signal Regiment, and which has a significant role in UK Operations.
Would someone please research this and amend the article?
Many thanks.
An update to her military appointments, it is mentioned that she gave her name to 8th Canadian Hussars (Princess Louise's) but is not listed;
...permission was sought to include her name in the Regiment’s title. Princess Louise consented and in July 1884, the Regiment was redesignated the 8th Princess Louise’s New Brunswick Regiment of Cavalry. In 1889, the Regiment was officially classified as "Hussars" in the Militia List and in 1892 the Regiment was again redesignated the 8th Princess Louise’s New Brunswick Hussars, a title which remained until 1957. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
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14:43, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
According to historian Elie Auclair, Alberta was named in honor of missionary Albert Lacombe. Why is Princess Louise usually credited with the origin of the name ?
Surely saying that she was the most attractive of her sisters is a little POV? Just going on the photos that are currently on the pages, I would definitely have said Victoria. But perhaps a better picture could be found. On the other hand, if she was generally considered the most attractive of the sisters at the time and this is of any importance, someone should add a reference. 91.105.5.19 13:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I've removed from the opening paragraph the line about her 'evincing considerable boredom'. This is adequately and appropriately referenced in the section dealing with her time in Canada and does not belong to the general brief introduction to her - to have that statement there makes out it was her singular and most important attribute. Plutonium27 ( talk) 15:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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Charles was made a duke before that marriage. Or does "commoner" here mean "non-royal"? — Tamfang ( talk) 02:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I think use of the term non-royal may be more helpful. The article is technically correct because you are a commoner if you are not a peer. Although he was called Lord Lorne, technically it was his father's title that he used as a courtesy title, and so he was not a peer in his own right, but a commoner - until the death of his father. In the UK, nobles are legally commoners unless they are peers in their own right.
I would speculate that Charles Brandon, the first Duke of Suffolk was probably not yet the Duke of Suffolk when he married Mary Tudor, hence his description as a commoner. 121.73.7.84 ( talk) 08:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I have seen this page be vandalized many times since it has been posted as a FA. Maybe someone should protect it. kka rma 05:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Many of the streets in Brandon, Manitoba are named after people who were involved in the building of the Canadian Pacific railroad. Two of the downtown streets are Princess Avenue and Louise Avenue. They are on either side of Lorne Avenue, so Lord Lorne is surrounded by his wife. 216.36.132.66 ( talk) 13:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Was this princess ever referred to as Louisa? There is a lovely inlet on the BC coast called Princess Louisa Inlet that may have been named after this lady or her grandmother. Many adjoining geographic features are named for children of Queen Victoria. -- KenWalker | Talk 01:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
"No such marriage, between a daughter of a Sovereign and a British subject, had been given official recognition since 1515, when Charles Brandon, the first Duke of Suffolk, married Mary Tudor."
There are at least three problems with this statement:
Lord Lorne was a noted homosexual - I find it odd that this article merely refers to "rumours". Particularly since Princess Louise's search for sexual fulfilment outside her marriage is given so much space, it would be appropriate, and indeed necessary, that Lord Lorne's homosexuality be explicated rather more frankly and completely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.94.152 ( talk) 21:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi. When you say that Princess Louise was a supporter of the feminist movement, this is kind of anachronistic, since feminism wasn't really even a term at that point, and the suffragist movements and the several feminist movements haven't all been identical or even had exactly the same aims. I am willing to track down exactly which version of suffragism she involved herself with if you like, or perhaps this is already something you are on top of? Your page is so good, I didn't want to go in and just change things, so I thought I'd bring it up here. Sharon Scogdill ( talk) 15:09, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Also, in the intro the article says she was born Louise but she was christened Louisa, which the article confirms later. Is this a subtle distinction? or really we should say she was christened Louisa rather than that she was born Louise? Sharon Scogdill ( talk) 15:17, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
This article by Carolyn Harris might have information of use here: March 7, 2014 The Whig.com [1] -- KenWalker | Talk 05:18, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
The lede says: 'She was also a supporter of the feminist movement, corresponded with Josephine Butler and visited Elizabeth Garrett. She held that "the subject of Domestic Economy lies at the root of the – highest life of every true woman."
This also is silly. It is evident from cources cited in th emost recent bigoraphy of Princess Louise ("The Mystery of Princess Louise: Queen Victoria's Rebellious Daughter by Lucinda Hawksley") that the marriage was a effectively one of convenience on both sides, although the public were encouraged to believe it was a love match. JF42 ( talk) 11:44, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
This article needs to be updated to mention the Hawksley biography, which is quite incendiary. The section above hints at the great variation between this biography (which mentions 2 or 3 previous biographies of the princess, while we refer in Wikipedia's voice to Wake as her biographer as if hers is the only one) and the statements made in the article. Hawksley is almost definite that Lorne was gay and on p. 301 outright calls Henry Locock the princess's son. On less scandalous matters, too, Wikipedia is saying things that Hawksley convincingly demonstrates were otherwise: she repeatedly returned to Europe to escape the Canadian winter rather than having become used to it, and in her last 20 years of life, when not ill, she continued to have a heavy schedule of public appearances; she was never a shut-in or a recluse. The article has become outdated and needs to at least acknowledge this new portrait. Yngvadottir ( talk) 19:42, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
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I was disappointed that only one of the citations (the bust of Louise's brother, Leopold) led me to a photo so that I could see more of her work, other than the famous & oft-photographed Queen Victoria sculpture at KP. Judging by that statue alone, Louise seemed to be an extremely talented artist, so I was hoping to see other works of art she had done. Alas. Would someone know where & could add directions to Louise's works? TYVM in advance if anyone can. ScarletRibbons ( talk) 06:29, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Based on comments here and at Talk:Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone#Requested move 23 January 2023 ( permalink), there may need to be a broader discussion on the naming conventions. ( non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 ( talk · contribs) 15:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll → Princess Louise of the United Kingdom – Most articles about deceased princess of the royal blood seem to be titled based on how they were known at birth, as is the case with Louise's sisters Victoria, Princess Royal, Princess Helena of the United Kingdom, and Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom. I see no reason why Louise should be an exception. She is already the primary topic for the proposed rename, so there is not risk of confusion. Estar8806 ( talk) 20:59, 24 January 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 20:41, 6 February 2023 (UTC)