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The photo I've used is taken from a posting at Alexanderpalace.org and is probably from 1939. It's likely copywrited. I've labeled it fair use because there are no other free images of her, but I'd like to make sure it's OK to use. Please remove it if it isn't. -- Bookworm857158367 03:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
As I've commented on the other articles, this subject is hardly notable. This can all be compacted into an article on the Hessian grand ducal family. Charles 19:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
There's a lot of original research and personal bias being added to this page lately (as well as at this page), neither of which are allowed. Regardless of whether she was legally entitled to it or not, she did use the title of "Princess" and it is definitely part of her common name. German (non-)royals are even still using it today. "Creating" a "legal name" for her when there is no such source anywhere that confirms it, is just not going to fly. Please stop with the nonsense. Cebr1979 ( talk) 06:10, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
"Fantasy title of a baby". Yes, you are correct. Johanna was not born a Hesse. She was born the daughter of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich Romanov (aka Nicholas Tchebotareff) and the widow, HM Queen Consort Marie of Yugoslavia (aka Princess Marie of Romania "Mignon"). She was taken to Darmstadt, Hesse, and Grand Duke Ernst, however he died. Donatus and Cecile adopted her. They left her behind due to the fact that they did not want anyone to know. This is why she remained when the family traveled by plane to the wedding of Margaret Geddes and Prince Louis of Hessen-Darmstadt. After the crash she was taken to England to live with Louis and Margaret but was not able to remain, it was far too controversial. Princess Ileana of Romania (wife of Anton von Habsburg) placed her with an Uhlan from Silesia, and adopted by him and his wife, the Adam family. She lived in Germany through the War and immigrated to the USA from Berlin in 1968. Princess Ileana also immigrated to the USA at the same time, prior to her returning to Europe to enter the monastery because she could no longer hold these truths without the help of God. The woman is still alive and well, I have spoken with her many times over six years. All of this was confirmed to her by Princess Ileana (aka Mother Alexandra) at The Monastery of the Transfiguration, Ellwood City Pennsylvania in 1990. This, by the way is original research and not bias in any way. She was, according to Mother Alexandra, "the real Romanov Princess". She is indeed mentioned in the book, "The Romanovs: The Final Chapter", by Robert K. Massie (1996). At that time, however, she was not 100% certain who she was. There is ample documentation and evidence to this fact. She was involved in the court case(s) in Charlottesville, VA on behalf of the Russian Nobility Association.
As far as title(s), these families all use them. All you needed to do was review "The Peerage". The children of Donatus and Cecile were all titled.
Ludwig Ernst Andreas Prinz von Hessen und bei Rhein b. 25 Oct 1931, d. 16 Nov 1937 Alexander Georg Karl Heinrich Prinz von Hessen und bei Rhein b. 14 Apr 1933, d. 16 Nov 1937 Johanna Marina Eleonore Prinzessin von Hessen und bei Rhein b. 20 Sep 1936, d. 14 Jun 1939 stillborn son von Hessen-Darmstadt3 b. 16 Nov 1937, d. 16 Nov 1937
http://www.thepeerage.com/p10111.htm#i101108
I am not a monarchist fan, however, an academic historian with several decades expertise in Imperial Russia. When these truths come out you will have a great deal of editing to do...
Best of Luck! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.244.201 ( talk) 16:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I'm sorry i got heated. I just don't think Johanna should be called by the title and style of Princess of Hesse and by Rhine, just because the Hessian Grand Ducal family didn't accept that a bunch of smelly peasants could abolish their titles, just because they happened to be the government. Paul Austin ( talk) 15:02, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Princess Johanna of Hesse and by Rhine/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Good references, but needs nuch more substance and persondata. - Duribald 18:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC) |
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The photo I've used is taken from a posting at Alexanderpalace.org and is probably from 1939. It's likely copywrited. I've labeled it fair use because there are no other free images of her, but I'd like to make sure it's OK to use. Please remove it if it isn't. -- Bookworm857158367 03:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
As I've commented on the other articles, this subject is hardly notable. This can all be compacted into an article on the Hessian grand ducal family. Charles 19:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
There's a lot of original research and personal bias being added to this page lately (as well as at this page), neither of which are allowed. Regardless of whether she was legally entitled to it or not, she did use the title of "Princess" and it is definitely part of her common name. German (non-)royals are even still using it today. "Creating" a "legal name" for her when there is no such source anywhere that confirms it, is just not going to fly. Please stop with the nonsense. Cebr1979 ( talk) 06:10, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
"Fantasy title of a baby". Yes, you are correct. Johanna was not born a Hesse. She was born the daughter of Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich Romanov (aka Nicholas Tchebotareff) and the widow, HM Queen Consort Marie of Yugoslavia (aka Princess Marie of Romania "Mignon"). She was taken to Darmstadt, Hesse, and Grand Duke Ernst, however he died. Donatus and Cecile adopted her. They left her behind due to the fact that they did not want anyone to know. This is why she remained when the family traveled by plane to the wedding of Margaret Geddes and Prince Louis of Hessen-Darmstadt. After the crash she was taken to England to live with Louis and Margaret but was not able to remain, it was far too controversial. Princess Ileana of Romania (wife of Anton von Habsburg) placed her with an Uhlan from Silesia, and adopted by him and his wife, the Adam family. She lived in Germany through the War and immigrated to the USA from Berlin in 1968. Princess Ileana also immigrated to the USA at the same time, prior to her returning to Europe to enter the monastery because she could no longer hold these truths without the help of God. The woman is still alive and well, I have spoken with her many times over six years. All of this was confirmed to her by Princess Ileana (aka Mother Alexandra) at The Monastery of the Transfiguration, Ellwood City Pennsylvania in 1990. This, by the way is original research and not bias in any way. She was, according to Mother Alexandra, "the real Romanov Princess". She is indeed mentioned in the book, "The Romanovs: The Final Chapter", by Robert K. Massie (1996). At that time, however, she was not 100% certain who she was. There is ample documentation and evidence to this fact. She was involved in the court case(s) in Charlottesville, VA on behalf of the Russian Nobility Association.
As far as title(s), these families all use them. All you needed to do was review "The Peerage". The children of Donatus and Cecile were all titled.
Ludwig Ernst Andreas Prinz von Hessen und bei Rhein b. 25 Oct 1931, d. 16 Nov 1937 Alexander Georg Karl Heinrich Prinz von Hessen und bei Rhein b. 14 Apr 1933, d. 16 Nov 1937 Johanna Marina Eleonore Prinzessin von Hessen und bei Rhein b. 20 Sep 1936, d. 14 Jun 1939 stillborn son von Hessen-Darmstadt3 b. 16 Nov 1937, d. 16 Nov 1937
http://www.thepeerage.com/p10111.htm#i101108
I am not a monarchist fan, however, an academic historian with several decades expertise in Imperial Russia. When these truths come out you will have a great deal of editing to do...
Best of Luck! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.244.201 ( talk) 16:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I'm sorry i got heated. I just don't think Johanna should be called by the title and style of Princess of Hesse and by Rhine, just because the Hessian Grand Ducal family didn't accept that a bunch of smelly peasants could abolish their titles, just because they happened to be the government. Paul Austin ( talk) 15:02, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Princess Johanna of Hesse and by Rhine/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Good references, but needs nuch more substance and persondata. - Duribald 18:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 18:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 03:25, 30 April 2016 (UTC)