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Lately, the user @Rheskopouris, reversed all my edits on the Prince of Achaea page concerning John Asen Zaccaria, edits that all had citations attached and have been made after a great time of research on the topic. He/she most likely didn't paid notice on these, something I strongly suggest he should from now on. In order to save Wikipedia from an unnecessary "edit war", I am bringing the concerns of the prementioned user to the talk page. @Rheskopouris pointed out that John Asen Zaccaria has not been written down as legitimate ruler of the Principality by the majority of historians and thus all my edits citing John as a real sovereign must be deleted.
Actually, John Asen Zaccaria was recognised as Prince on 1453 by some of the greatest western contemporary powers of the time, by Venice (the letter of the Doge Paul Foscari still survives), by the Papacy as after his exile from Morea he was bestowed a monthly pension by the Pope with the title of the titular Prince attached and most importantly by the Kingdom of Naples and Alfonso V of Aragon that confirmed him as Prince in his epistles. This last recognition was of great importance as the Crown of Naples since the time of William II Villehardouin was the feudal suzerain of the Principality and the only power able to confirm and even install Princes. All citations for these information are provided in the article that you must read before processing with the discussion.
John from 1453 and for 1 and half year, until the end of 1454, used the castle of Aetos as his center of power after he was declared there as prince by a great number of Latins, but also Greeks and Albanians that all compromised his army. More contemporary researchers such as Haberstumpf Walter or Sturdza Mihail Dimitri list John as a legitimate ruler of Achaea after a vacant period since his fathers death, Centurione II, on 1432.
The genealogy research that is included at the end of the article examines the descendants of Martino Zaccaria 2x great grandfather of John Asen Zaccaria today, actually it seems it was created about the family of Zaccarias overall and not exclusively about John. It was posted here in Wikipedia by an AGP accredited genealogist thus it is indeed a research interesting enough as to be included in the article without implying anything else than the plain and obvious, that Martino Zaccarias agnatic line still survives.
UPDATE: by 27.1.24 I dont regard this source as a trustworthy one anymore, thus I deleted all the contributions I made using this genealogical tree.It should be removed from the Damalas page as well if you ask me.
Sincerely Yours. Eugene de Moree ( talk) 20:24, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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Lately, the user @Rheskopouris, reversed all my edits on the Prince of Achaea page concerning John Asen Zaccaria, edits that all had citations attached and have been made after a great time of research on the topic. He/she most likely didn't paid notice on these, something I strongly suggest he should from now on. In order to save Wikipedia from an unnecessary "edit war", I am bringing the concerns of the prementioned user to the talk page. @Rheskopouris pointed out that John Asen Zaccaria has not been written down as legitimate ruler of the Principality by the majority of historians and thus all my edits citing John as a real sovereign must be deleted.
Actually, John Asen Zaccaria was recognised as Prince on 1453 by some of the greatest western contemporary powers of the time, by Venice (the letter of the Doge Paul Foscari still survives), by the Papacy as after his exile from Morea he was bestowed a monthly pension by the Pope with the title of the titular Prince attached and most importantly by the Kingdom of Naples and Alfonso V of Aragon that confirmed him as Prince in his epistles. This last recognition was of great importance as the Crown of Naples since the time of William II Villehardouin was the feudal suzerain of the Principality and the only power able to confirm and even install Princes. All citations for these information are provided in the article that you must read before processing with the discussion.
John from 1453 and for 1 and half year, until the end of 1454, used the castle of Aetos as his center of power after he was declared there as prince by a great number of Latins, but also Greeks and Albanians that all compromised his army. More contemporary researchers such as Haberstumpf Walter or Sturdza Mihail Dimitri list John as a legitimate ruler of Achaea after a vacant period since his fathers death, Centurione II, on 1432.
The genealogy research that is included at the end of the article examines the descendants of Martino Zaccaria 2x great grandfather of John Asen Zaccaria today, actually it seems it was created about the family of Zaccarias overall and not exclusively about John. It was posted here in Wikipedia by an AGP accredited genealogist thus it is indeed a research interesting enough as to be included in the article without implying anything else than the plain and obvious, that Martino Zaccarias agnatic line still survives.
UPDATE: by 27.1.24 I dont regard this source as a trustworthy one anymore, thus I deleted all the contributions I made using this genealogical tree.It should be removed from the Damalas page as well if you ask me.
Sincerely Yours. Eugene de Moree ( talk) 20:24, 5 January 2024 (UTC)