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Prince Edward is now listed as this, but does it not suggest that it is one title? The Earldom of Forfar was bestowed upon His Royal Highness in 2019, ostensibly to give him a Scottish title, and is in no way linked to the English one. 92.30.70.49 ( talk) 14:46, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move - There's a bit more support to move than to remain. UtherSRG (talk) 19:38, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex → Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex and Forfar – I think in the UK he's known simply as "prince Edward", and if we're going to start saying his titles, naming the English earldom of Wessex and not the Scottish earldom of Forfar sounds a bit disrespectul to Scotland. Alternatively, something that doesn't mention any of the 2 earldoms would also be fine. And this may become a moot point in the future if he gets given the dukedom of Edinburgh (but, of course, that would be WP:CRYSTAL). Dr. Vogel ( talk) 18:15, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give extra weight to independent, reliable English-language sources ("reliable sources") written after the name change. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well, as described above in "Use commonly recognizable names".(Emphasis added on the word "independent".) It's been two and a half years since the Queen granted the title of Edward. Although court circulars and press releases have used "Earl of Wessex and Forfar", independent sources have overwhelmingly continued to refer to Edward as simply the "Earl of Wessex," including the BBC, The Mirror, The Independent, the New York Times, etc. I've got no problem referring to him as the "Earl of Wessex and Forfar" in the article text, but the article title should reflect what independent, reliable sources are calling him. (Same with Sophie, by the way, whose article I notice was also moved.) Aoi (青い) ( talk) 22:57, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
This evening The King, accompanied by The Queen Consort, The Duke of York, The Earl of Wessex, accompanied by The Countess of Wessex, and The Princess Royal, accompanied by Vice Admiral Sir Tim Laurence....From 15 September:
The Earl and Countess of Wessex this morning visited the Central Library, St. Peter's Square, Manchester, and were received by His Majesty's Lord-Lieutenant of Greater Manchester (Mrs. Stephen Hawkins).From 14 September:
The Coffin was followed by The King, The Prince of Wales, The Duke of Sussex, The Duke of York, The Earl of Wessex, The Princess Royal, Mr Peter Phillips, The Duke of Gloucester, The Earl of Snowdon and Vice Admiral Sir Tim Laurence.The Earl of Forfar title seems to be used in the Court Cicular only when the Earl is conducting an event that has relevance to Scotland, which is consistent with how the title was described when the Queen granted it to him. Every single speech listed on the Royal Family's official website by Edward is attributed to "The Earl of Wessex". And his own official website lists him as "The Earl of Wessex". Granted, perhaps his intent is to use both earldom titles going forward following the Queen's passing, but it's too early to say. Tldr, I dispute that "Earl of Wessex and Forfar" is the WP:COMMONNAME. Aoi (青い) ( talk) 02:45, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex and Forfar → Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex – WP:COMMONNAME, per https://www.royal.uk/the-earl-of-wessex. Greatminton ( talk) 00:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). Nobody is denying that full title is sometimes used. But it is much less common than the abbreviation. Vpab15 ( talk) 11:07, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name. That is clearly not the case here. Vpab15 ( talk) 22:27, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
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All Oxford and Cambridge graduates gain the right to the status of MA a certain number of years after matriculation. This isn't earnt. The question that follows is whether our subject has chosen to accept this status; this is a matter of fact, though it can be argued it's too obscure to be worth mentioning. Ender's Shadow Snr ( talk) 12:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
I just protected the page for 10 days, and reverted the edits to before the edit-warring started.
Needless to say - take it to the talk page.
If the edit warring continues after the page protection expires, blocks and/or other sanctions may be applied by any uninvolved admin.
And note, per WP:3RR, 3 edits is merely a bright line rule. Edit warring is disruptive. So don't think that playing games by counting to 3 will prevent sanction.
Work out your differences through discussion and find consensus.
Thank you - jc37 21:59, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
None of Edward's present or future descendants can inherit the title "Duke Of Edinburgh". Does that signal a precedent? Is Charles III preventing a future time 100 years from now when a Duke Of Edinburgh could be a vastly distant relative to the Monarch? Does anyone know if ALL Dukedoms conferred on such descendants of Charles III who are at present without a title or not yet born will be lifetime non-hereditary titles? And when the current Duke of Kent (or Duke of Gloucester) dies, and the next holder of either of those titles is too distantly related to the Monarch to be "Prince", "HRH", or "Royal Duke", will they, NOT being members of the Royal Family, have a lot more political freedom to engage in political debate and to earn income as strategists for a political party than their fathers have now? In fact, since they already KNOW they will never be members of the Royal Family (unless they MARRY into it later), DO they have such political freedoms, prohibited to their fathers, ALREADY? 2600:1700:6759:B000:7844:D0DC:F581:8251 ( talk) 14:44, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson
I've created an article for the documentary Edward on Edward. It still has a long way to go to be a good article, but to boost attention, can someone link it down on the films part of Prince Edward's page? Thanks. StrawWord298944 ( talk) 19:24, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
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Please link the new article Edward on Edward in the filmography, thanks. Uncle Spock ( talk) 10:12, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
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Prince Edward is now listed as this, but does it not suggest that it is one title? The Earldom of Forfar was bestowed upon His Royal Highness in 2019, ostensibly to give him a Scottish title, and is in no way linked to the English one. 92.30.70.49 ( talk) 14:46, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move - There's a bit more support to move than to remain. UtherSRG (talk) 19:38, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex → Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex and Forfar – I think in the UK he's known simply as "prince Edward", and if we're going to start saying his titles, naming the English earldom of Wessex and not the Scottish earldom of Forfar sounds a bit disrespectul to Scotland. Alternatively, something that doesn't mention any of the 2 earldoms would also be fine. And this may become a moot point in the future if he gets given the dukedom of Edinburgh (but, of course, that would be WP:CRYSTAL). Dr. Vogel ( talk) 18:15, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give extra weight to independent, reliable English-language sources ("reliable sources") written after the name change. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well, as described above in "Use commonly recognizable names".(Emphasis added on the word "independent".) It's been two and a half years since the Queen granted the title of Edward. Although court circulars and press releases have used "Earl of Wessex and Forfar", independent sources have overwhelmingly continued to refer to Edward as simply the "Earl of Wessex," including the BBC, The Mirror, The Independent, the New York Times, etc. I've got no problem referring to him as the "Earl of Wessex and Forfar" in the article text, but the article title should reflect what independent, reliable sources are calling him. (Same with Sophie, by the way, whose article I notice was also moved.) Aoi (青い) ( talk) 22:57, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
This evening The King, accompanied by The Queen Consort, The Duke of York, The Earl of Wessex, accompanied by The Countess of Wessex, and The Princess Royal, accompanied by Vice Admiral Sir Tim Laurence....From 15 September:
The Earl and Countess of Wessex this morning visited the Central Library, St. Peter's Square, Manchester, and were received by His Majesty's Lord-Lieutenant of Greater Manchester (Mrs. Stephen Hawkins).From 14 September:
The Coffin was followed by The King, The Prince of Wales, The Duke of Sussex, The Duke of York, The Earl of Wessex, The Princess Royal, Mr Peter Phillips, The Duke of Gloucester, The Earl of Snowdon and Vice Admiral Sir Tim Laurence.The Earl of Forfar title seems to be used in the Court Cicular only when the Earl is conducting an event that has relevance to Scotland, which is consistent with how the title was described when the Queen granted it to him. Every single speech listed on the Royal Family's official website by Edward is attributed to "The Earl of Wessex". And his own official website lists him as "The Earl of Wessex". Granted, perhaps his intent is to use both earldom titles going forward following the Queen's passing, but it's too early to say. Tldr, I dispute that "Earl of Wessex and Forfar" is the WP:COMMONNAME. Aoi (青い) ( talk) 02:45, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex and Forfar → Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex – WP:COMMONNAME, per https://www.royal.uk/the-earl-of-wessex. Greatminton ( talk) 00:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). Nobody is denying that full title is sometimes used. But it is much less common than the abbreviation. Vpab15 ( talk) 11:07, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name. That is clearly not the case here. Vpab15 ( talk) 22:27, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
References
All Oxford and Cambridge graduates gain the right to the status of MA a certain number of years after matriculation. This isn't earnt. The question that follows is whether our subject has chosen to accept this status; this is a matter of fact, though it can be argued it's too obscure to be worth mentioning. Ender's Shadow Snr ( talk) 12:22, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
I just protected the page for 10 days, and reverted the edits to before the edit-warring started.
Needless to say - take it to the talk page.
If the edit warring continues after the page protection expires, blocks and/or other sanctions may be applied by any uninvolved admin.
And note, per WP:3RR, 3 edits is merely a bright line rule. Edit warring is disruptive. So don't think that playing games by counting to 3 will prevent sanction.
Work out your differences through discussion and find consensus.
Thank you - jc37 21:59, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
None of Edward's present or future descendants can inherit the title "Duke Of Edinburgh". Does that signal a precedent? Is Charles III preventing a future time 100 years from now when a Duke Of Edinburgh could be a vastly distant relative to the Monarch? Does anyone know if ALL Dukedoms conferred on such descendants of Charles III who are at present without a title or not yet born will be lifetime non-hereditary titles? And when the current Duke of Kent (or Duke of Gloucester) dies, and the next holder of either of those titles is too distantly related to the Monarch to be "Prince", "HRH", or "Royal Duke", will they, NOT being members of the Royal Family, have a lot more political freedom to engage in political debate and to earn income as strategists for a political party than their fathers have now? In fact, since they already KNOW they will never be members of the Royal Family (unless they MARRY into it later), DO they have such political freedoms, prohibited to their fathers, ALREADY? 2600:1700:6759:B000:7844:D0DC:F581:8251 ( talk) 14:44, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson
I've created an article for the documentary Edward on Edward. It still has a long way to go to be a good article, but to boost attention, can someone link it down on the films part of Prince Edward's page? Thanks. StrawWord298944 ( talk) 19:24, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
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Please change "highly-selective" to "highly selective", per MOS:HYPHEN 73.93.5.246 ( talk) 05:24, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
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Please link the new article Edward on Edward in the filmography, thanks. Uncle Spock ( talk) 10:12, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
There is an RfC on Talk:Charles III#RfC: Inclusion of "Agnatic house" which may relate to this article. Feel free to contribute. Estar8806 ( talk) 03:08, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
A discussion is going on at the Commons concerning the copyright status of several coats of arms that are in use on pages related to British royalty. Please feel free to share your comments and input at commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Coat of arms of Queen Camilla.svg. Thanks. Keivan.f Talk 18:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)