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Royals usually don't use ordinals, so this page probably should be at Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge, just like Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent, and so on. -- Lord Emsworth 02:52, Jan 9, 2004 (UTC)
I'm removing Image:Adolphus Duke of Cambridge Arms.svg from this article as the arms are depicted wrongly: cadet members of the House of Hanover used neither the Royal Crown on the inescutcheon of Hanover nor the smaller inescutcheon gules with the Crown of Charlemagne (as only the head of the House was Arch-Treasurer) [1]. Opera hat ( talk) 10:44, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I've made some edits to the succession box, adding in that the duke was Viceroy of Hanover through the entire existence of that office. In doing so I noticed that the two Viscounts Melville needed disambiguation (as per WP:SBS/G) and was confused to note that Prince George, Duke of Cambridge is successor to three of these offices (President of the Foundling Hospital, Grand Master of the Order of St Michael and St George and Duke of Cambridge, 4th creation). I can't think of a way to make this clearer than I have done, though, by piping the first two to Prince George, 2nd Duke of Cambridge.
Normally, I'd rowspan these, but there are intervening headings (that are useful, so I didn't want to remove them) and, at least in Google Chrome under the Vector skin on my laptop, that rowspans quite badly (I've removed the irrelevant rows):
Other offices | ||
---|---|---|
Preceded by | President of the
Foundling Hospital 1827 – 1850 |
Succeeded by |
Honorary titles | ||
Preceded by |
Grand Master of the Order of St Michael and St George 1825 – 1850 | |
Peerage of the United Kingdom | ||
New creation |
Duke of Cambridge 4th creation 1801 – 1850 |
Even assigning a background colour to the rowspanned cell doesn't solve the overrunning colour bars — and, of course, the colour would differ according to users' skins. We could amend all header bars, but that would be a big task and they're all protected so, frankly, would be a bit of an arse. So I'm not really sure how best to handle this.
What I've actually done, as can be seen on the article page, is make the relevant rows appear thusly:
Other offices | ||
---|---|---|
Preceded by | President of the
Foundling Hospital 1827 – 1850 |
Succeeded by |
Honorary titles | ||
Preceded by |
Grand Master of the Order of St Michael and St George 1825 – 1850 |
Succeeded by |
Peerage of the United Kingdom | ||
New creation |
Duke of Cambridge 4th creation 1801 – 1850 |
Succeeded by |
, which at least makes it clearer that the three offices are acquired by the younger duke, but is still imperfect (and technically violates WP:SBS/G).
Does anyone have any better suggestions? — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 22:51, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Maybe one should mention that the Duke was quite in popular figure in his time. This was, amongst other things, due to the fact that he introduced a rather modern and liberal constitution (compared to the old one) with a parliament consisting, like the Houses of Parliament in the United Kingdom, of two houses. His popularity in Hanover was further increased because his successor as ruler of the independent Kingdom of Hanover (Ernest Augustus I of Hanover) exercised an autocratic rule that made many yearn for the good old days when Adolphus was Governor General or Viceroy respectively. The memory of the popular Duke lives on in a toast well-known in the Hanover region: "Pitsche, pitsche, pitsche, der Herzog von Cambridsche. Hei kümmt, hei kümmt, hei kümmt, ob hei noch einen nümmt? Hei nümmt noch einen ... na denn man prost! (Rough translation: Swig, swig, swig, the Duke of Camdridge. He comes, he comes, he comes, maybe he'd like another drink? He'd like another one ... well then, cheers!)" "Pitschen" in Low German translates as "to swig" or "to booze". -- 91.19.103.16 ( talk) 17:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: withdrawn. DrKay ( talk) 20:56, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge → Prince Adolphus, 1st Duke of Cambridge – User:Lord Emsworth states above "Royals usually don't use ordinals, so this page probably should be at Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge, just like Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent, and so on". Regardless of "usage" (i.e. etiquette) the fact cannot be denied that his son was the 2nd Duke, having inherited the title on his father's death. Besides, the present Duke of Wellington (9th Duke), for example, is never referred to in person (e.g. in correspondence) by ordinal number anyway, but his article here is called Charles Wellesley, 9th Duke of Wellington. GEC Complete Peerage places the numerals 1 and 2 against the successive entries for the two men. Not new creations. It seems that Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex will be re-created Duke of Edinburgh after his father's death, so that would not make him 2nd Duke of Edinburgh, automatic inheritance will not operate, apparently. But this title Duke of Cambridge seems to have operated with regard to descent as a "normal" dukedom, heritable automatically by the eldest son. The Dukes of York during the Wars of the Roses, members of the royal family, all being descended from a younger son of King Edward III, are all given ordinal numbers in wikipedia and elsewhere. I suggest the article be re-named "Prince Adolphus, 1st Duke of Cambridge" and his son accordingly 2nd Duke. Lobsterthermidor ( talk) 16:12, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
The redirect First Duke of Cambridge has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 7 § First Duke of Cambridge until a consensus is reached. estar8806 ( talk) ★ 14:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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Royals usually don't use ordinals, so this page probably should be at Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge, just like Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent, and so on. -- Lord Emsworth 02:52, Jan 9, 2004 (UTC)
I'm removing Image:Adolphus Duke of Cambridge Arms.svg from this article as the arms are depicted wrongly: cadet members of the House of Hanover used neither the Royal Crown on the inescutcheon of Hanover nor the smaller inescutcheon gules with the Crown of Charlemagne (as only the head of the House was Arch-Treasurer) [1]. Opera hat ( talk) 10:44, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I've made some edits to the succession box, adding in that the duke was Viceroy of Hanover through the entire existence of that office. In doing so I noticed that the two Viscounts Melville needed disambiguation (as per WP:SBS/G) and was confused to note that Prince George, Duke of Cambridge is successor to three of these offices (President of the Foundling Hospital, Grand Master of the Order of St Michael and St George and Duke of Cambridge, 4th creation). I can't think of a way to make this clearer than I have done, though, by piping the first two to Prince George, 2nd Duke of Cambridge.
Normally, I'd rowspan these, but there are intervening headings (that are useful, so I didn't want to remove them) and, at least in Google Chrome under the Vector skin on my laptop, that rowspans quite badly (I've removed the irrelevant rows):
Other offices | ||
---|---|---|
Preceded by | President of the
Foundling Hospital 1827 – 1850 |
Succeeded by |
Honorary titles | ||
Preceded by |
Grand Master of the Order of St Michael and St George 1825 – 1850 | |
Peerage of the United Kingdom | ||
New creation |
Duke of Cambridge 4th creation 1801 – 1850 |
Even assigning a background colour to the rowspanned cell doesn't solve the overrunning colour bars — and, of course, the colour would differ according to users' skins. We could amend all header bars, but that would be a big task and they're all protected so, frankly, would be a bit of an arse. So I'm not really sure how best to handle this.
What I've actually done, as can be seen on the article page, is make the relevant rows appear thusly:
Other offices | ||
---|---|---|
Preceded by | President of the
Foundling Hospital 1827 – 1850 |
Succeeded by |
Honorary titles | ||
Preceded by |
Grand Master of the Order of St Michael and St George 1825 – 1850 |
Succeeded by |
Peerage of the United Kingdom | ||
New creation |
Duke of Cambridge 4th creation 1801 – 1850 |
Succeeded by |
, which at least makes it clearer that the three offices are acquired by the younger duke, but is still imperfect (and technically violates WP:SBS/G).
Does anyone have any better suggestions? — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 22:51, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Maybe one should mention that the Duke was quite in popular figure in his time. This was, amongst other things, due to the fact that he introduced a rather modern and liberal constitution (compared to the old one) with a parliament consisting, like the Houses of Parliament in the United Kingdom, of two houses. His popularity in Hanover was further increased because his successor as ruler of the independent Kingdom of Hanover (Ernest Augustus I of Hanover) exercised an autocratic rule that made many yearn for the good old days when Adolphus was Governor General or Viceroy respectively. The memory of the popular Duke lives on in a toast well-known in the Hanover region: "Pitsche, pitsche, pitsche, der Herzog von Cambridsche. Hei kümmt, hei kümmt, hei kümmt, ob hei noch einen nümmt? Hei nümmt noch einen ... na denn man prost! (Rough translation: Swig, swig, swig, the Duke of Camdridge. He comes, he comes, he comes, maybe he'd like another drink? He'd like another one ... well then, cheers!)" "Pitschen" in Low German translates as "to swig" or "to booze". -- 91.19.103.16 ( talk) 17:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: withdrawn. DrKay ( talk) 20:56, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge → Prince Adolphus, 1st Duke of Cambridge – User:Lord Emsworth states above "Royals usually don't use ordinals, so this page probably should be at Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge, just like Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester, Prince Edward, Duke of Kent, and so on". Regardless of "usage" (i.e. etiquette) the fact cannot be denied that his son was the 2nd Duke, having inherited the title on his father's death. Besides, the present Duke of Wellington (9th Duke), for example, is never referred to in person (e.g. in correspondence) by ordinal number anyway, but his article here is called Charles Wellesley, 9th Duke of Wellington. GEC Complete Peerage places the numerals 1 and 2 against the successive entries for the two men. Not new creations. It seems that Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex will be re-created Duke of Edinburgh after his father's death, so that would not make him 2nd Duke of Edinburgh, automatic inheritance will not operate, apparently. But this title Duke of Cambridge seems to have operated with regard to descent as a "normal" dukedom, heritable automatically by the eldest son. The Dukes of York during the Wars of the Roses, members of the royal family, all being descended from a younger son of King Edward III, are all given ordinal numbers in wikipedia and elsewhere. I suggest the article be re-named "Prince Adolphus, 1st Duke of Cambridge" and his son accordingly 2nd Duke. Lobsterthermidor ( talk) 16:12, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
The redirect First Duke of Cambridge has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 7 § First Duke of Cambridge until a consensus is reached. estar8806 ( talk) ★ 14:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)