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I think that this page should be titled Primitivism (art) and the Anarcho-primitivism page should simply be titled primitivism.
I am unsure how the relationship between this page and primitive should be handled. Perhaps they should be merged, or switch places? Their pretty much the same concept... We need more content on "primitives" (pre-agrarian people), since IMO thats the primary usage of these terms... ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 5 July 2005 02:36 (UTC)
Could someone point me to the right articles?
Chronological primitivism (earliest stage better than later stage,), Cultural primitivism (“natural” condition of mankind best ... seems close to anarcho-primitivism but I'm unsure), Hard primitivism (best without arts and sciences), and Soft primitivism (best when life is without toil)
Thanks. J. D. Redding 17:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia definitely needs entries on the Idea of Primitivism and the Idea of Progress. That would clear up a lot of the confusions that appear in articles about these topics. Mballen ( talk) 21:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
It is not at all clear to me that the section on "Primitivism and the Construction of the 'Other'" is necessary to this article. It seems to me to be a survey of Solomon-Godeau's criticism of Gauguin followed by a three sentence paragraph that dismisses her criticism. I assume the two paragraphs have different authors, but the fact that someone felt the need to add the second paragraph seems to me to indicate that the first is not sufficiently impartial. I can imagine a useful section on "Critiques of Primitivism in the Visual Arts" that would briefly explain the principles behind Solomon-Godeau's critique of Gauguin, perhaps with a brief reference to Gauguin's work by way of example. The important part, though, would be the principles that provide the rationale for the post-colonial critique of primitivism (e.g., idealization of non-Western cultures by Western artists, etc.), not the specific example of Gauguin. As that section currently stands, Gauguin seems to be the focus, which makes it seem only vaguely relevant to the rest of the article. Buddiestothemax ( talk) 17:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
The result of the debate was Not moved. — Centrx→ talk • 05:08, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
The content of this page should be moved to Primitivism(Art), with this page becoming a Disambiguation Page. I would also recommend moving Anarcho-Primitivism to Primitivism(Social Philosophy) or s/th similar, as a) most Anarchists would disagreee with Anarcho-Primitivism called so and b) the founders of this social philosophy themselves called it "Primitivism".-- 83.189.52.78 14:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure if I agree with the third characteristic of primitivism: 3. Abstraction of the figure, particularly facial and bodily proportions. Inspired by "non-Western" arts, particularly African masks. Occidental primitivist artists falsely assumed African artists were interested in producing abstract representations. Reason:
Visual Abstraction: African artworks tend to favor visual abstraction over naturalistic representation. This is because many African artworks, regardless of medium, tend to represent objects or ideas rather than depict them. Even the so-called portrait heads of Ile-Ife in modern day Nigeria, usually thought of as naturalistic representations of rulers, have actually been smoothed and simplified in an effort to abstract and generalize stylistic norms. [2] Ancient Egyptian art, also usually thought of as naturalistically depictive, makes use of highly abstracted and regimented visual canons, especially in painting, as well as the use of different colors to represent the qualities and characteristics of an individual being depicted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_art
It's offensive that false data is being included in such an article.
I'm not sure if I agree with the third characteristic of primitivism: 3. Abstraction of the figure, particularly facial and bodily proportions. Inspired by "non-Western" arts, particularly African masks. Occidental primitivist artists falsely assumed African artists were interested in producing abstract representations. Reason:
Visual Abstraction: African artworks tend to favor visual abstraction over naturalistic representation. This is because many African artworks, regardless of medium, tend to represent objects or ideas rather than depict them. Even the so-called portrait heads of Ile-Ife in modern day Nigeria, usually thought of as naturalistic representations of rulers, have actually been smoothed and simplified in an effort to abstract and generalize stylistic norms. [2] Ancient Egyptian art, also usually thought of as naturalistically depictive, makes use of highly abstracted and regimented visual canons, especially in painting, as well as the use of different colors to represent the qualities and characteristics of an individual being depicted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_art
It's offensive that false data is being included in such an article.
I have not read near enough of Nietzsche to be certain that this assertion does not belong in this article (and I know he changes his mind a few times), but I cannot really see how Nietzsche could have been a primitivist. He was as critical of the way things were as he was of the way things were going. Someone who knows might change this unless someone who knows is who put it in there. 66.183.215.141 15:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
A lot of these links have more to do with anarcho-primitivist philosophy and almost nothing to do with primitivist art. Clockwrist ( talk) 02:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
See also Lovejoy, A. O., 'The supposed primitivism of Rousseau's "Discourse on Inequality"' in his Essays in the History of IdeasN.Y, 1960. —Preceding
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I think that this page should be titled Primitivism (art) and the Anarcho-primitivism page should simply be titled primitivism.
I am unsure how the relationship between this page and primitive should be handled. Perhaps they should be merged, or switch places? Their pretty much the same concept... We need more content on "primitives" (pre-agrarian people), since IMO thats the primary usage of these terms... ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 5 July 2005 02:36 (UTC)
Could someone point me to the right articles?
Chronological primitivism (earliest stage better than later stage,), Cultural primitivism (“natural” condition of mankind best ... seems close to anarcho-primitivism but I'm unsure), Hard primitivism (best without arts and sciences), and Soft primitivism (best when life is without toil)
Thanks. J. D. Redding 17:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia definitely needs entries on the Idea of Primitivism and the Idea of Progress. That would clear up a lot of the confusions that appear in articles about these topics. Mballen ( talk) 21:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
It is not at all clear to me that the section on "Primitivism and the Construction of the 'Other'" is necessary to this article. It seems to me to be a survey of Solomon-Godeau's criticism of Gauguin followed by a three sentence paragraph that dismisses her criticism. I assume the two paragraphs have different authors, but the fact that someone felt the need to add the second paragraph seems to me to indicate that the first is not sufficiently impartial. I can imagine a useful section on "Critiques of Primitivism in the Visual Arts" that would briefly explain the principles behind Solomon-Godeau's critique of Gauguin, perhaps with a brief reference to Gauguin's work by way of example. The important part, though, would be the principles that provide the rationale for the post-colonial critique of primitivism (e.g., idealization of non-Western cultures by Western artists, etc.), not the specific example of Gauguin. As that section currently stands, Gauguin seems to be the focus, which makes it seem only vaguely relevant to the rest of the article. Buddiestothemax ( talk) 17:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
The result of the debate was Not moved. — Centrx→ talk • 05:08, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
The content of this page should be moved to Primitivism(Art), with this page becoming a Disambiguation Page. I would also recommend moving Anarcho-Primitivism to Primitivism(Social Philosophy) or s/th similar, as a) most Anarchists would disagreee with Anarcho-Primitivism called so and b) the founders of this social philosophy themselves called it "Primitivism".-- 83.189.52.78 14:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure if I agree with the third characteristic of primitivism: 3. Abstraction of the figure, particularly facial and bodily proportions. Inspired by "non-Western" arts, particularly African masks. Occidental primitivist artists falsely assumed African artists were interested in producing abstract representations. Reason:
Visual Abstraction: African artworks tend to favor visual abstraction over naturalistic representation. This is because many African artworks, regardless of medium, tend to represent objects or ideas rather than depict them. Even the so-called portrait heads of Ile-Ife in modern day Nigeria, usually thought of as naturalistic representations of rulers, have actually been smoothed and simplified in an effort to abstract and generalize stylistic norms. [2] Ancient Egyptian art, also usually thought of as naturalistically depictive, makes use of highly abstracted and regimented visual canons, especially in painting, as well as the use of different colors to represent the qualities and characteristics of an individual being depicted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_art
It's offensive that false data is being included in such an article.
I'm not sure if I agree with the third characteristic of primitivism: 3. Abstraction of the figure, particularly facial and bodily proportions. Inspired by "non-Western" arts, particularly African masks. Occidental primitivist artists falsely assumed African artists were interested in producing abstract representations. Reason:
Visual Abstraction: African artworks tend to favor visual abstraction over naturalistic representation. This is because many African artworks, regardless of medium, tend to represent objects or ideas rather than depict them. Even the so-called portrait heads of Ile-Ife in modern day Nigeria, usually thought of as naturalistic representations of rulers, have actually been smoothed and simplified in an effort to abstract and generalize stylistic norms. [2] Ancient Egyptian art, also usually thought of as naturalistically depictive, makes use of highly abstracted and regimented visual canons, especially in painting, as well as the use of different colors to represent the qualities and characteristics of an individual being depicted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_art
It's offensive that false data is being included in such an article.
I have not read near enough of Nietzsche to be certain that this assertion does not belong in this article (and I know he changes his mind a few times), but I cannot really see how Nietzsche could have been a primitivist. He was as critical of the way things were as he was of the way things were going. Someone who knows might change this unless someone who knows is who put it in there. 66.183.215.141 15:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
A lot of these links have more to do with anarcho-primitivist philosophy and almost nothing to do with primitivist art. Clockwrist ( talk) 02:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
See also Lovejoy, A. O., 'The supposed primitivism of Rousseau's "Discourse on Inequality"' in his Essays in the History of IdeasN.Y, 1960. —Preceding
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