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Tails Wx 13:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
Regardless of his objectives, Lott's methods were those of a traditional military coup - a sudden occupation of the capital and preemptive control of possible centers of resistance. But Wikipedia article titles should reflect the most accepted name. This article's Lusophone title doesn't call it a coup, and neither does Brazilian scholarship, which typically calls this event "contragolpe" or "golpe preventivo", accepting and emphasizing its stated legalist intentions. "Golpe de 1955", when it does appear, usually refers to the failed plans to prevent Kubitschek from taking office (e.g. page 12, page 37). The Portuguese wiki is right in avoiding a straightforward "Golpe de Estado no Brasil em 1955", which is how this English title would be called.
With Anglophone authors, there are precedents for simply calling it a coup. Thomas Skidmore describes it as a coup d'état. John W.F. Dulles mentions a " 1955 coup against Luz". The Historical Dictionary of Modern Coups describes a "successful constitutional coup". The Dictionary of Contemporary Politics of South America names it as a "constitutionalist coup". On the other hand, Alfred Stepan lists the "1955 coup" alongside the 1961 coup as failed movements, so he refers to what the anti-Lott faction was doing. Another book mentions the "1955 coup d'état and the abortive coup d'état of 1961; the 1955 one wasn't presented as an "abortive" coup, so the author means Lott's movement.
With "golpe preventivo", which is an accepted usage, one could argue preventivo is just an adjective and coup d'état articles should have standardized titles, and hence this term supports the current English title. The precedents I've cited could also argue in favor of this title. And yet the confusion I've shown speaks strongly against it; the "1955 Brazilian coup d'état" is an ambiguous term, it can mean either the hypothetical anti-Kubitschek coup or the real coup carried out to prevent it. When Brazilian sources mention a "1955 coup" without adjectives, they usually mean the former. To prevent any misunderstanding, the title should make it clear this was Lott's coup. I still don't know what would be a perfect title. This question deserves multiple answers and discussion. Serraria ( talk) 04:30, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
The article currently just states it as an accusation but the Brazilian sources all seem pretty confident it was going to happen and justify the coup. But I can't find any actual evidence of this. I can't read Portuguese but reading the pt-wiki article through translation it doesn't seem very NPOV. Broken Segue 16:56, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
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The result was: promoted by
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talk) 15:01, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Created by BrokenSegue ( talk). Self-nominated at 05:04, 15 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/1955 Brazilian coup d'état; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Reviewing; good work on the article!
Tails Wx 13:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
Regardless of his objectives, Lott's methods were those of a traditional military coup - a sudden occupation of the capital and preemptive control of possible centers of resistance. But Wikipedia article titles should reflect the most accepted name. This article's Lusophone title doesn't call it a coup, and neither does Brazilian scholarship, which typically calls this event "contragolpe" or "golpe preventivo", accepting and emphasizing its stated legalist intentions. "Golpe de 1955", when it does appear, usually refers to the failed plans to prevent Kubitschek from taking office (e.g. page 12, page 37). The Portuguese wiki is right in avoiding a straightforward "Golpe de Estado no Brasil em 1955", which is how this English title would be called.
With Anglophone authors, there are precedents for simply calling it a coup. Thomas Skidmore describes it as a coup d'état. John W.F. Dulles mentions a " 1955 coup against Luz". The Historical Dictionary of Modern Coups describes a "successful constitutional coup". The Dictionary of Contemporary Politics of South America names it as a "constitutionalist coup". On the other hand, Alfred Stepan lists the "1955 coup" alongside the 1961 coup as failed movements, so he refers to what the anti-Lott faction was doing. Another book mentions the "1955 coup d'état and the abortive coup d'état of 1961; the 1955 one wasn't presented as an "abortive" coup, so the author means Lott's movement.
With "golpe preventivo", which is an accepted usage, one could argue preventivo is just an adjective and coup d'état articles should have standardized titles, and hence this term supports the current English title. The precedents I've cited could also argue in favor of this title. And yet the confusion I've shown speaks strongly against it; the "1955 Brazilian coup d'état" is an ambiguous term, it can mean either the hypothetical anti-Kubitschek coup or the real coup carried out to prevent it. When Brazilian sources mention a "1955 coup" without adjectives, they usually mean the former. To prevent any misunderstanding, the title should make it clear this was Lott's coup. I still don't know what would be a perfect title. This question deserves multiple answers and discussion. Serraria ( talk) 04:30, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
The article currently just states it as an accusation but the Brazilian sources all seem pretty confident it was going to happen and justify the coup. But I can't find any actual evidence of this. I can't read Portuguese but reading the pt-wiki article through translation it doesn't seem very NPOV. Broken Segue 16:56, 21 September 2023 (UTC)