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Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Arapaho woman Pretty Nose, 1879, restored.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on March 10, 2018. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2018-03-10. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 09:58, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
... one who fought at Little Big Horn in 1876 and one who fought in the Korean War. Is this really possible? 162.89.0.47 ( talk) 18:37, 10 March 2018 (UTC) Eric
The picture in the Al-Jazeera article has an old handwritten note attached saying "N. Cheyenne/French" under her name. I assume that to mean she is of mixed heritage, probably a French father (possibly French mother but seems unlikely for the time). Has anyone seen anything else, or another explanation what French means? -- Green C 17:12, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
This should not be in the lede of the article, her grandchild is the only person who has used it besides casually, and there are no references to it ever having been used in her lifetime. The caption on the illustration is however correct, and a statement of that nature could be added to the article. So I have done so. It treats oral history the way all primary sources should be treated in Wikipedia: it repeats what the source says, and indicates the nature of the source in the text. The reader can form their own judgment about the reliability and the significance. DGG ( talk ) 06:26, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
I realize it is a clumper vs spliter debate but when a sub-section has a single sentence it is probably not a good idea until more material can be added. It becomes a distraction from reading the core content when the article is inflated with sub-section titles in shorter articles like this. A single biography section can easily hold what we know about her, and the photography section deserves it's own given the length. -- Green C 18:01, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
The "beaded cuffs", or bracelets made of beads, are known as wampum. They started with Eastern Indians, but were traded and also part of the plains Indian culture. This is verifiable in "Eastern Beads, Western Application. Wampum Among Plains Tribes" (p. 221) by Jordan Keagle. He says the colors classically signify:
However there were some variations by tribe. This confirms bead colors are symbolic in Indian culture not only ornamental though they were that also. -- Green C 02:44, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
This cite is not working: "Women warriors". Northern Arapaho Tribal Historic Preservation Office. June 25, 2020. Archived from the original on October 4, 2020. Retrieved October 9, 2020.
There are a couple errors. The original URL is returning blank content. The archive URL is returning a technical error with the WaybackMachine. I reported it to them, but no guarantees it will be repaired. Still, the archive URL can be accessed by disabling JavaScript in your browser, or using a browser without JavaScript, such as Lynx. I copied the source text below for reference. -- Green C 03:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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On June 25, 1876, a battalion of the 7th Cavalry, led by George Armstrong Custer, was wiped out by an overwhelming force of Lakota, Dakota, Northern Cheyenne, and Arapaho. There are many stories that come from this most famous battle of the Indian Wars. However, the most overlooked account is of the women warriors who fought alongside their male counterparts. Minnie Hollow Wood, Moving Robe Woman, Pretty Nose (pictured), One-Who-Walks-With-The-Stars, and Buffalo Calf Road Woman were among the more notable female fighters. Pretty Nose fought with the Cheyenne/Arapaho detachment. One-Who-Walks-With-The-Stars (Lakota) killed two soldiers trying to flee the fight. Minnie Hollow Wood earned a Lakota war-bonnet for her participation, a rare honor. Lakota Moving Robe Woman fought to avenge the death of her brother. And Cheyenne Buffalo Calf Road Woman holds the distinction of being the warrior who knocked Custer off his horse, hastening the demise of the over-confident Lt. Colonel. |
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Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Arapaho woman Pretty Nose, 1879, restored.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on March 10, 2018. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2018-03-10. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 09:58, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
... one who fought at Little Big Horn in 1876 and one who fought in the Korean War. Is this really possible? 162.89.0.47 ( talk) 18:37, 10 March 2018 (UTC) Eric
The picture in the Al-Jazeera article has an old handwritten note attached saying "N. Cheyenne/French" under her name. I assume that to mean she is of mixed heritage, probably a French father (possibly French mother but seems unlikely for the time). Has anyone seen anything else, or another explanation what French means? -- Green C 17:12, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
This should not be in the lede of the article, her grandchild is the only person who has used it besides casually, and there are no references to it ever having been used in her lifetime. The caption on the illustration is however correct, and a statement of that nature could be added to the article. So I have done so. It treats oral history the way all primary sources should be treated in Wikipedia: it repeats what the source says, and indicates the nature of the source in the text. The reader can form their own judgment about the reliability and the significance. DGG ( talk ) 06:26, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
I realize it is a clumper vs spliter debate but when a sub-section has a single sentence it is probably not a good idea until more material can be added. It becomes a distraction from reading the core content when the article is inflated with sub-section titles in shorter articles like this. A single biography section can easily hold what we know about her, and the photography section deserves it's own given the length. -- Green C 18:01, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
The "beaded cuffs", or bracelets made of beads, are known as wampum. They started with Eastern Indians, but were traded and also part of the plains Indian culture. This is verifiable in "Eastern Beads, Western Application. Wampum Among Plains Tribes" (p. 221) by Jordan Keagle. He says the colors classically signify:
However there were some variations by tribe. This confirms bead colors are symbolic in Indian culture not only ornamental though they were that also. -- Green C 02:44, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
This cite is not working: "Women warriors". Northern Arapaho Tribal Historic Preservation Office. June 25, 2020. Archived from the original on October 4, 2020. Retrieved October 9, 2020.
There are a couple errors. The original URL is returning blank content. The archive URL is returning a technical error with the WaybackMachine. I reported it to them, but no guarantees it will be repaired. Still, the archive URL can be accessed by disabling JavaScript in your browser, or using a browser without JavaScript, such as Lynx. I copied the source text below for reference. -- Green C 03:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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On June 25, 1876, a battalion of the 7th Cavalry, led by George Armstrong Custer, was wiped out by an overwhelming force of Lakota, Dakota, Northern Cheyenne, and Arapaho. There are many stories that come from this most famous battle of the Indian Wars. However, the most overlooked account is of the women warriors who fought alongside their male counterparts. Minnie Hollow Wood, Moving Robe Woman, Pretty Nose (pictured), One-Who-Walks-With-The-Stars, and Buffalo Calf Road Woman were among the more notable female fighters. Pretty Nose fought with the Cheyenne/Arapaho detachment. One-Who-Walks-With-The-Stars (Lakota) killed two soldiers trying to flee the fight. Minnie Hollow Wood earned a Lakota war-bonnet for her participation, a rare honor. Lakota Moving Robe Woman fought to avenge the death of her brother. And Cheyenne Buffalo Calf Road Woman holds the distinction of being the warrior who knocked Custer off his horse, hastening the demise of the over-confident Lt. Colonel. |