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I don't actually see any evidence that the 2005 release of Pretty Hate Machine by RykoDisc was actually a remaster of the previous releases (and not just a reissue). The only place it seems to be stated as such is Wikipedia (and other pages that quote Wikipedia) and according to discogs/NWNWiki it was just a reissue http://www.ninwiki.com/Pretty_Hate_Machine http://www.discogs.com/Nine-Inch-Nails-Pretty-Hate-Machine/release/752996
In fact it appears that the only version of Pretty Hate Machine that was not mastered is the original version (if the credits/discogs is anything to go by). Is there any clarification/evidence on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.20.6.31 ( talk) 11:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
I added some "citation needed" tags to areas that lack them. Most of these are things repeated pretty frequently in fan circles, but that need reliable sources to verify. The one area that seemed a bit dubious was where it said he hired an outside musician to play drums. While that's true of most NIN releases, there's no drummer credited in the liner notes to PHM and the whole album (with the possible exception of Head Like a Hole) sounds like he only used a drum machine anyways. - Thonan ( talk) 21:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Working nights at a recording studio cleaning toilets, Trent Reznor saved enough money to purchase time in a recording session. . The Trent Reznor article states he got free recording time because he was good at his job. Which is true? Which is substantiated? -- Jon Dowland 21:37, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
What about the line in Tori Amos's Caught A Lite Sneeze:
Caught a lite sneeze
Dreamed a little dream
Made my own pretty hate machine
I think Tori also quoted another Reznor song or album.
Sits69 14:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I moved Pretty Hate Machine to pretty hate machine per the primary source (the album itself). Another editor has expressed concern that this is simply due to typeface, and so I have asked for opinions here. It was always my understanding that the proper title was pretty hate machine. Anyone have an idea on where to find a primary citation (the band referring to PHM directly, say on another album cover)? / Blaxthos 03:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
pretty hate machine should be a redirect, not the namespace. -- rynne 16:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)In band names and titles of songs or albums, unless it is unique (don't worry, nobody pays any heed to this disclaimer anyway), the standard rule in the English language is to capitalize words that are the first or the last word in the title and those that are not conjunctions (and, but, or, nor, for), prepositions (in, to, over), articles (an, a, the), or the word to when used to form an infinitive. Note that short verbs (Is, Are, Do) and pronouns (Me, It, His) are capitalized. Do not replicate stylized typography in logos and album art, though a redirect may be appropriate (for example, KoЯn redirects to Korn (band)).
What is that on the album cover? Any articles out there about what Gary Talpas photographed? Steveprutz 19:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
"The cover of PHM is a photo of the blades of some sort of turbine stretched vertically so they would look somewhat like bones or a rib cage." ( [1]) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.40.152.109 ( talk) 00:07, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Also, is there any official explanation of the title? The article would benefit. Steveprutz 19:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The position of the cover art is incorrect. The title of the album should not be on top but should be turned to the right. Trilby*foxglove 19:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
1. Most importantly, this needs sourcing. The article is severely lacking in sources and is probably the main reason this article is still rated start-class. One source links to the NIN hotline, which I'm not so sure is considered a
reliable source. In addition, it only links to the article which should be used as the source for the statement it supports.
2. If the Packaging section and the Popular Culture sections are to be kept, they need to be written in paragraph form, added to, and moved up in the article to follow the History section.
3. Make a Critical Reception section that includes reviews/quotes/criticism much like in the other NIN album articles.
4. I haven't noticed any mention that this album is pretty much what launched Nine Inch Nails into the mainstream and jumpstarted Trent Reznor's popularity. There's also no mention of music videos played on MTV.
5. Work on organizing the information that's currently in the article. Due to the lack of sources, you may need to start from scratch. I'd recommend searching far and wide on the Internet to research Pretty Hate Machine as if you didn't know anything about it. That way you can have a base with reliable sources to go on, and can work from there.
6. Find and add more fair use images. Perhaps something from music videos, tours, etc.
The prose in the History section isn't bad, but this article could be greatly improved. -- Ubiq ( talk) 16:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
"Flyleaf covered "Something I Can Never Have" for the Underworld: Evolution soundtrack."
I can't confirm this. It's not on the US version at least. Is there a source for the reference? aeontriad ( talk) 21:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Synthpop and electronic dance are prominant on the album. The reviews for the album also acknowledge this. The music on the album seems to fit with the description of electronic dance music (see wikipedia article's lead), and its singles charted on Dance music charts, so it would make sense to have ele dance music as a genre. The structure of most of the songs are also more dance/pop-oriented than rock. Dan56 ( talk) 22:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
This may be useful: "I'd basically define it as dance music, that's a bit harder, a bit tougher, definitely with a drum machine...." Trent Reznor interview Dan56 ( talk) 00:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
This writer describes the album as a "dance-synth opus", while this writer compares its rock instrumentation/popular music structure of verse-chorus to its house/dance influence. Also, another page about the album's music. Dan56 ( talk) 00:25, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
It looks like several articles linked on this page (The Los Angeles Times, The New York Times....) do not talk at all about Pretty Hate Machine ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.198.181.15 ( talk) 00:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that Pretty Hate Machine was included in the list of 500 Greatest Albums by Rolling Stone.
76.123.177.103 ( talk) 05:25, 5 October 2010 (UTC)NINfan
I removed the reference to Industrial Nation from the article because, as I recall, this was a mistake in a mid-nineties profile of the band, which made its way into the AllMusicGuide in the late 90s/early 00s. I remember hunting down this bit of info on alt.music.nin and from what I understand, there was a magazine called Industrial Nation that had an early interview with Trent Reznor, but it was most definitely not the name of his demo album. Reznor has throughout the years avoided labeling NIN as industrial -- that categorization sticks mainly as a result of the 1991 Spin "Industrial Revolution" issue where Trent famously derided Front Line Assembly.
Aha. Found the offending profile... a little later than mid-nineties - it's from the July 1998 issue of that paragon of music journalism, Circus Magazine - http://www.9inchnails.com/articles/behind-his-tortured-image.php
Leviathant ( talk) 03:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
First off, I was always under the impression that "Purest Feeling" was a 'fan' given name to the "Pretty Hate Machine" Demos. Second, the first paragraph of this article stats that some of the songs on "Pretty Hate Machine" come from this demo. If you listen to those demos, you will know this isn't true at all. Third, I believe it's mentioned above that the 2005 reissue of "Pretty Hate Machine" is not remastered, yet it still says that it is. (IGR) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.166.23.133 ( talk) 18:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
That...doesn't seem right. Jasper420 02:38, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
What? What about him? What did this Jeff guy do, exactly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.133.97.238 ( talk) 10:06, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Someone has significantly altered the dates on this article 2601:485:4100:6B40:B9C1:A6C8:709C:456F ( talk) 06:29, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
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I don't actually see any evidence that the 2005 release of Pretty Hate Machine by RykoDisc was actually a remaster of the previous releases (and not just a reissue). The only place it seems to be stated as such is Wikipedia (and other pages that quote Wikipedia) and according to discogs/NWNWiki it was just a reissue http://www.ninwiki.com/Pretty_Hate_Machine http://www.discogs.com/Nine-Inch-Nails-Pretty-Hate-Machine/release/752996
In fact it appears that the only version of Pretty Hate Machine that was not mastered is the original version (if the credits/discogs is anything to go by). Is there any clarification/evidence on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.20.6.31 ( talk) 11:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
I added some "citation needed" tags to areas that lack them. Most of these are things repeated pretty frequently in fan circles, but that need reliable sources to verify. The one area that seemed a bit dubious was where it said he hired an outside musician to play drums. While that's true of most NIN releases, there's no drummer credited in the liner notes to PHM and the whole album (with the possible exception of Head Like a Hole) sounds like he only used a drum machine anyways. - Thonan ( talk) 21:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Working nights at a recording studio cleaning toilets, Trent Reznor saved enough money to purchase time in a recording session. . The Trent Reznor article states he got free recording time because he was good at his job. Which is true? Which is substantiated? -- Jon Dowland 21:37, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
What about the line in Tori Amos's Caught A Lite Sneeze:
Caught a lite sneeze
Dreamed a little dream
Made my own pretty hate machine
I think Tori also quoted another Reznor song or album.
Sits69 14:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I moved Pretty Hate Machine to pretty hate machine per the primary source (the album itself). Another editor has expressed concern that this is simply due to typeface, and so I have asked for opinions here. It was always my understanding that the proper title was pretty hate machine. Anyone have an idea on where to find a primary citation (the band referring to PHM directly, say on another album cover)? / Blaxthos 03:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
pretty hate machine should be a redirect, not the namespace. -- rynne 16:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)In band names and titles of songs or albums, unless it is unique (don't worry, nobody pays any heed to this disclaimer anyway), the standard rule in the English language is to capitalize words that are the first or the last word in the title and those that are not conjunctions (and, but, or, nor, for), prepositions (in, to, over), articles (an, a, the), or the word to when used to form an infinitive. Note that short verbs (Is, Are, Do) and pronouns (Me, It, His) are capitalized. Do not replicate stylized typography in logos and album art, though a redirect may be appropriate (for example, KoЯn redirects to Korn (band)).
What is that on the album cover? Any articles out there about what Gary Talpas photographed? Steveprutz 19:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
"The cover of PHM is a photo of the blades of some sort of turbine stretched vertically so they would look somewhat like bones or a rib cage." ( [1]) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.40.152.109 ( talk) 00:07, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Also, is there any official explanation of the title? The article would benefit. Steveprutz 19:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The position of the cover art is incorrect. The title of the album should not be on top but should be turned to the right. Trilby*foxglove 19:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
1. Most importantly, this needs sourcing. The article is severely lacking in sources and is probably the main reason this article is still rated start-class. One source links to the NIN hotline, which I'm not so sure is considered a
reliable source. In addition, it only links to the article which should be used as the source for the statement it supports.
2. If the Packaging section and the Popular Culture sections are to be kept, they need to be written in paragraph form, added to, and moved up in the article to follow the History section.
3. Make a Critical Reception section that includes reviews/quotes/criticism much like in the other NIN album articles.
4. I haven't noticed any mention that this album is pretty much what launched Nine Inch Nails into the mainstream and jumpstarted Trent Reznor's popularity. There's also no mention of music videos played on MTV.
5. Work on organizing the information that's currently in the article. Due to the lack of sources, you may need to start from scratch. I'd recommend searching far and wide on the Internet to research Pretty Hate Machine as if you didn't know anything about it. That way you can have a base with reliable sources to go on, and can work from there.
6. Find and add more fair use images. Perhaps something from music videos, tours, etc.
The prose in the History section isn't bad, but this article could be greatly improved. -- Ubiq ( talk) 16:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
"Flyleaf covered "Something I Can Never Have" for the Underworld: Evolution soundtrack."
I can't confirm this. It's not on the US version at least. Is there a source for the reference? aeontriad ( talk) 21:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Synthpop and electronic dance are prominant on the album. The reviews for the album also acknowledge this. The music on the album seems to fit with the description of electronic dance music (see wikipedia article's lead), and its singles charted on Dance music charts, so it would make sense to have ele dance music as a genre. The structure of most of the songs are also more dance/pop-oriented than rock. Dan56 ( talk) 22:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
This may be useful: "I'd basically define it as dance music, that's a bit harder, a bit tougher, definitely with a drum machine...." Trent Reznor interview Dan56 ( talk) 00:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
This writer describes the album as a "dance-synth opus", while this writer compares its rock instrumentation/popular music structure of verse-chorus to its house/dance influence. Also, another page about the album's music. Dan56 ( talk) 00:25, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
It looks like several articles linked on this page (The Los Angeles Times, The New York Times....) do not talk at all about Pretty Hate Machine ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.198.181.15 ( talk) 00:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that Pretty Hate Machine was included in the list of 500 Greatest Albums by Rolling Stone.
76.123.177.103 ( talk) 05:25, 5 October 2010 (UTC)NINfan
I removed the reference to Industrial Nation from the article because, as I recall, this was a mistake in a mid-nineties profile of the band, which made its way into the AllMusicGuide in the late 90s/early 00s. I remember hunting down this bit of info on alt.music.nin and from what I understand, there was a magazine called Industrial Nation that had an early interview with Trent Reznor, but it was most definitely not the name of his demo album. Reznor has throughout the years avoided labeling NIN as industrial -- that categorization sticks mainly as a result of the 1991 Spin "Industrial Revolution" issue where Trent famously derided Front Line Assembly.
Aha. Found the offending profile... a little later than mid-nineties - it's from the July 1998 issue of that paragon of music journalism, Circus Magazine - http://www.9inchnails.com/articles/behind-his-tortured-image.php
Leviathant ( talk) 03:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
First off, I was always under the impression that "Purest Feeling" was a 'fan' given name to the "Pretty Hate Machine" Demos. Second, the first paragraph of this article stats that some of the songs on "Pretty Hate Machine" come from this demo. If you listen to those demos, you will know this isn't true at all. Third, I believe it's mentioned above that the 2005 reissue of "Pretty Hate Machine" is not remastered, yet it still says that it is. (IGR) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.166.23.133 ( talk) 18:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
That...doesn't seem right. Jasper420 02:38, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
What? What about him? What did this Jeff guy do, exactly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.133.97.238 ( talk) 10:06, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Someone has significantly altered the dates on this article 2601:485:4100:6B40:B9C1:A6C8:709C:456F ( talk) 06:29, 21 October 2023 (UTC)