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The result of the move request was: moved. On the basis of this being the English Wikipedia and it thus being more likely that people looking for the term "Presidente Prudente" in English are trying to get to the city. (
closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (
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04:17, 26 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi, is there a reason you're saying the city should stay where it is and the base name redirect to it, rather than move the city to the base name?
Dr. Vogel (
talk)
02:49, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
Dr. Vogel, no reason whatsoever, I just thought of the simplest solution for this. But indeed, as the primary topic, the city could also be moved to "Presidente Prudente" and receive a hatnote pointing to the disambiguation page. —
capmo (
talk)
03:01, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Thank you for explaining that. And when you say that the city is the clear primary topic, what are you basing that assessment on?
Dr. Vogel (
talk)
07:08, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
As I said, in Portuguese it's the opposite, the city gets more views:
[1]. It really doesn't matter, anyway, because the two articles have completely different titles, there's no ambiguity; no one is going to search for "Presidente Prudente" in the enwiki expecting to find the president's biography. They will most likely search here for
president Prudente, or for the whole name
Prudente de Morais, as the graphic you cite demonstrates. In the English language, the name Presidente Prudente is unequivocally associated with the city only. —
capmo (
talk)
22:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I think the question is ultimately about whether on enwiki the city should have the base title over the disambiguation page, and my gut feeling is probably yes, but it'd be good to be able to make a convincing argument.
Dr. Vogel (
talk)
03:47, 18 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
Dr. Vogel, I think the argument given above for the move request is quite convincing. But I'll give a couple of other examples:
Support. If the city's name was Prudente de Morais, I would probably oppose this move because there wouldn't be a clear primary topic between the city and the president. But the city's name is Presidente Prudente, and when readers searches for that particular term, it's far more likely that they're looking for the city. For an analogous case,
Louis IX of France, who is a very significant historical figure, is sometimes called St. Louis. But the article titled
St. Louis is the city in Missouri, simply because people who type "St. Louis" into the search bar are quite unlikely to be looking for the king. I think the city of Presidente Prudente is "
highly likely...to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term" (emphasis added), so I support making it the primary topic (with appropriate hatnotes, of course).
Extraordinary Writ (
talk)
03:18, 26 June 2022 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Brazil, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Brazil and
related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. On the basis of this being the English Wikipedia and it thus being more likely that people looking for the term "Presidente Prudente" in English are trying to get to the city. (
closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (
投稿)
04:17, 26 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi, is there a reason you're saying the city should stay where it is and the base name redirect to it, rather than move the city to the base name?
Dr. Vogel (
talk)
02:49, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
Dr. Vogel, no reason whatsoever, I just thought of the simplest solution for this. But indeed, as the primary topic, the city could also be moved to "Presidente Prudente" and receive a hatnote pointing to the disambiguation page. —
capmo (
talk)
03:01, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Thank you for explaining that. And when you say that the city is the clear primary topic, what are you basing that assessment on?
Dr. Vogel (
talk)
07:08, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
As I said, in Portuguese it's the opposite, the city gets more views:
[1]. It really doesn't matter, anyway, because the two articles have completely different titles, there's no ambiguity; no one is going to search for "Presidente Prudente" in the enwiki expecting to find the president's biography. They will most likely search here for
president Prudente, or for the whole name
Prudente de Morais, as the graphic you cite demonstrates. In the English language, the name Presidente Prudente is unequivocally associated with the city only. —
capmo (
talk)
22:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I think the question is ultimately about whether on enwiki the city should have the base title over the disambiguation page, and my gut feeling is probably yes, but it'd be good to be able to make a convincing argument.
Dr. Vogel (
talk)
03:47, 18 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
Dr. Vogel, I think the argument given above for the move request is quite convincing. But I'll give a couple of other examples:
Support. If the city's name was Prudente de Morais, I would probably oppose this move because there wouldn't be a clear primary topic between the city and the president. But the city's name is Presidente Prudente, and when readers searches for that particular term, it's far more likely that they're looking for the city. For an analogous case,
Louis IX of France, who is a very significant historical figure, is sometimes called St. Louis. But the article titled
St. Louis is the city in Missouri, simply because people who type "St. Louis" into the search bar are quite unlikely to be looking for the king. I think the city of Presidente Prudente is "
highly likely...to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term" (emphasis added), so I support making it the primary topic (with appropriate hatnotes, of course).
Extraordinary Writ (
talk)
03:18, 26 June 2022 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.