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Herman Van Rompuy became the president of the EU today, 19th November 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.175.146 ( talk) 20:51, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
It has never been used, however informally, as an informal term for the post of President of the European Commission.
The article as it stood was misleading speculation on a possibility that will not happen in accordance with any existing treaty. There is no planned treaty in which it might exist. WP:Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.
Furthermore, in accordance with the disambiguation MOS, there should be no more text than is neccessary to help readers determine which of the possible interpretations is the one they want. Accordingly, I have deleted most of the article since it was either repetition or speculation. -- Red King ( talk) 18:04, 20 November 2009 (UTC) I should add that, as the subject is topical (and the incorrect term so often used - by the BBC just now, no less), that I decided that I needed to shoot first and ask questions aftwards. -- Red King ( talk) 18:24, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't this disambiguation page clarify that only for one of these options, news reports sometimes use the simpler (and incorrect) term President of the EU - and that is the President of the European Council. I think, it is good to have the other options as well, since obviously the multitude of organizations and presidents confuses our readers. But still, there is only this one misnomer that really occurs frequently in published writings. 09:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
The phrase "European President" should have its own page instead of being relegated to a verbose disambiguation page.
Cambridge Journals, for example, cites the info below, from Article I-21 of the Draft European Constitution:
"Article I-21 of the Draft European Constitution states that the European President is to be elected by the European Council, by a qualified majority for a term of two and a half years, and cannot serve more than two terms..."
Since then, numerous other credible sources have also correctly used the phrase "European President" when discussing related matters.
So there is good reason to have a separate page for the phrase "European President", even if the existence and parameters of such a person are still, intentionally or not, fluid at the moment.
174.21.11.65 ( talk) 05:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
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I boldly changed the opening sentence so that it would read The official title President of the European Union (or President of Europe) does not exist and the EU does not have any executive president, but there are a number of presidents of European Union institutions:
NebY reverted (per
WP:BRD, fair enough) but their explanation seems odd to me: "more misleading than saying nothing, as the President of the European Commission is the leader of the executive" as this overstates both status of Commission and in particular of its President. The Commission is the EU's civil service, not its government. Its role is to (a) ensure compliance with existing Union law and (b) propose new Union laws for consideration by the Parliament and the Council that give effect to the treaties. It is the executive arm of the Union only insofar as it is the means through which the policies of the Union (as determined by the Council and the Parliament, not by the Commission) are put into effect, operated, executed if you will. It is for this reason that I consider it important to say that - not only does the Union not have a President as a nation might have - but what's more the ones that it does have are not executives. (I am willing to accept as an alternative that the opening sentence should remain unchanged but that the list of presidents is followed by note that reads None of these is an
executive president.
)
One of the reasons for Brexit was the continuing and deliberate practice of the UK press to shoe-horn the President of the Commission into the White House model and to cast Brussels as the "Washington swamp". It was always a myth but it sold tabloids like it does in the US.
So if my words are to remain reverted, let's have a reason based on fact, not fantasy. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 13:56, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
is the means through which the policies of the Union (as determined by the Council and the Parliament, not by the Commission) are put into effect, operated, executed if you will.That the Commission and its president work to implement policy is the very nub of executive. As for your denial that the President of the Commission is an executive at all, I can only imagine you don't think, say, charity CEOs are executives either.
The President of the European Commission is the head of the European Commission, the executive branch of the European Unionand of European Commission,
The European Commission (EC) is the executive branch of the European Union. I suggest you establish consensus here first, which might be better done by bringing citations rather than your own constructions (and certainly without throwing aspersions of "fantasy" in your opening salvo), then prepare yourself to establish it again on those talk pages in the face of more robust responses. NebY ( talk) 15:28, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
the ones that it does have are not executives.
The predecessors of the Commission were called the European Executives. – Kaihsu ( talk) 05:08, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
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Herman Van Rompuy became the president of the EU today, 19th November 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.175.146 ( talk) 20:51, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
It has never been used, however informally, as an informal term for the post of President of the European Commission.
The article as it stood was misleading speculation on a possibility that will not happen in accordance with any existing treaty. There is no planned treaty in which it might exist. WP:Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.
Furthermore, in accordance with the disambiguation MOS, there should be no more text than is neccessary to help readers determine which of the possible interpretations is the one they want. Accordingly, I have deleted most of the article since it was either repetition or speculation. -- Red King ( talk) 18:04, 20 November 2009 (UTC) I should add that, as the subject is topical (and the incorrect term so often used - by the BBC just now, no less), that I decided that I needed to shoot first and ask questions aftwards. -- Red King ( talk) 18:24, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't this disambiguation page clarify that only for one of these options, news reports sometimes use the simpler (and incorrect) term President of the EU - and that is the President of the European Council. I think, it is good to have the other options as well, since obviously the multitude of organizations and presidents confuses our readers. But still, there is only this one misnomer that really occurs frequently in published writings. 09:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
The phrase "European President" should have its own page instead of being relegated to a verbose disambiguation page.
Cambridge Journals, for example, cites the info below, from Article I-21 of the Draft European Constitution:
"Article I-21 of the Draft European Constitution states that the European President is to be elected by the European Council, by a qualified majority for a term of two and a half years, and cannot serve more than two terms..."
Since then, numerous other credible sources have also correctly used the phrase "European President" when discussing related matters.
So there is good reason to have a separate page for the phrase "European President", even if the existence and parameters of such a person are still, intentionally or not, fluid at the moment.
174.21.11.65 ( talk) 05:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 14:52, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
I boldly changed the opening sentence so that it would read The official title President of the European Union (or President of Europe) does not exist and the EU does not have any executive president, but there are a number of presidents of European Union institutions:
NebY reverted (per
WP:BRD, fair enough) but their explanation seems odd to me: "more misleading than saying nothing, as the President of the European Commission is the leader of the executive" as this overstates both status of Commission and in particular of its President. The Commission is the EU's civil service, not its government. Its role is to (a) ensure compliance with existing Union law and (b) propose new Union laws for consideration by the Parliament and the Council that give effect to the treaties. It is the executive arm of the Union only insofar as it is the means through which the policies of the Union (as determined by the Council and the Parliament, not by the Commission) are put into effect, operated, executed if you will. It is for this reason that I consider it important to say that - not only does the Union not have a President as a nation might have - but what's more the ones that it does have are not executives. (I am willing to accept as an alternative that the opening sentence should remain unchanged but that the list of presidents is followed by note that reads None of these is an
executive president.
)
One of the reasons for Brexit was the continuing and deliberate practice of the UK press to shoe-horn the President of the Commission into the White House model and to cast Brussels as the "Washington swamp". It was always a myth but it sold tabloids like it does in the US.
So if my words are to remain reverted, let's have a reason based on fact, not fantasy. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 13:56, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
is the means through which the policies of the Union (as determined by the Council and the Parliament, not by the Commission) are put into effect, operated, executed if you will.That the Commission and its president work to implement policy is the very nub of executive. As for your denial that the President of the Commission is an executive at all, I can only imagine you don't think, say, charity CEOs are executives either.
The President of the European Commission is the head of the European Commission, the executive branch of the European Unionand of European Commission,
The European Commission (EC) is the executive branch of the European Union. I suggest you establish consensus here first, which might be better done by bringing citations rather than your own constructions (and certainly without throwing aspersions of "fantasy" in your opening salvo), then prepare yourself to establish it again on those talk pages in the face of more robust responses. NebY ( talk) 15:28, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
the ones that it does have are not executives.
The predecessors of the Commission were called the European Executives. – Kaihsu ( talk) 05:08, 26 May 2021 (UTC)