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Does anyone know how this speech came to be known as the 'malaise speech', given that the word 'malaise' never appeared in it? The sources are somewhat unhelpful on that matter (although they suggest it was given that name by the media, it's not clear when or why). Robofish ( talk) 02:41, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I recently reverted an edit which relied upon Rummel's self published webpage, and Bruce Sharp's self published webpage. While Rummel also publishes academically, his webpage isn't academically published. Sharp's mekong.net is a clear SPS. When sourcing content, ensure that the article represents the consensus or debate of academic scholars, and that the sources used are reliable according to wikipedia policy. The editors at WP:RS/N can help in the case of disputes over reliability. Fifelfoo ( talk) 02:37, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I find: "Furthermore, he was the first incumbent Democratic president to seek, but fail to achieve in a general election, re-election since Andrew Johnson".
Andrew Johnson was not elected president. He was a Democrat on the "Union Party" ticket in 1864 with Abraham Lincoln ("Union Party" name being used to attract Democrats who supported the Civil War effort), replacing incumbent vice president Hannibal Hamlin. Lincoln and Johnson were elected, then Johnson succeeded to Presidency because of the assassination of Lincoln. According to what I see on Wikipedia, Johnson did seek the 1868 Democratic presidential nomination, but lost it to Horatio Seymour, who lost that election to U.S. Grant.
Grover Cleveland was, in 1888, an incumbent Democratic president who ran in the general election for re-election but failed. This was the last case before 2000 where the popular-vote winner (in 1888, Cleveland) did not win in the Electoral College. Benjamin Harrison won, but lost to Cleveland in 1892 rematch, thus leading to Cleveland having those 2 non-consecutive terms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 ( talk) 21:02, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Under heading/section of "Budget" this article reads 103 Mil acres and 417 K square kms of "nat'l park land" in Alaska, but in the heading/section of "Environment" it refers to one third of 79.53 Mil acres, 124,281 sq mi and 321,900 sq km of "public lands ... wilderness area" in Alaska. Suggest moving comment from the Budget to Environment (or changing to US dollars equivalent), and maybe also refering to just one type of the different public/park/wilderness land/areas, with just one set of measurement numbers, letting readers follow the link for detail figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.183.224.2 ( talk) 22:42, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I revised the national health insurance paragraph in the "Health care" subsection of the "Domestic policy" section from:
In 1982, Carter wrote that Senator Ted Kennedy’s disagreements with Carter's proposed health-care reform plan thwarted Carter’s efforts to provide comprehensive health-care for citizens outside the Medicare system.
to:
In April 1976, Carter proposed health care reform that included key features of the bipartisan bill for universal national health insurance sponsored by Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA). In June 1979, Carter proposed more limited health insurance reform—an employer mandate to provide private catastrophic health insurance plus coverage without cost sharing for pregnant women and infants, federalization of Medicaid with extension to the very poor without dependent minor children, and the addition of catastrophic coverage to Medicare. In November 1979, Senator Russell Long (D-LA) led a bipartisan conservative majority of his Senate Finance Committee to support an employer mandate to provide catastrophic-only coverage and the addition of catastrophic coverage to Medicare, but abandoned efforts in 1980 due to budget constraints.
and changed the sourcing from the dubious and incomplete:
Apatens ( talk) 18:19, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
This article cribs a looooooooot of wording almost completely directly from PBS. 137.48.230.40 ( talk) 17:36, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
It contains the weasel words "Though it is often said to have been ill-received" somehow backed by a link to a missing/dead webpage for its citation [#35], which seemingly was just another open source encyclopedia's entire page on Jimmy Carter...
Who let that fly? I won't edit it, because someone decided to merge that and several other of their opinions in there all together, but if anyone else has a "tasteful" correction or a relevant polling... ~Dude — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.59.145 ( talk) 18:22, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
I am proposing that we merge Jimmy Carter rabbit incident into Presidency of Jimmy Carter. Although the rabbit incident article has existed for a while, it is not notable per WP:EVENTS. The event did not have any long-term influence, and a couple paragraphs in the article about Carter's presidency seems more appropriate. I consider Carter's rabbit incident similiar to Dan Quayle "potatoe" incident or Gerald Ford's tripping episodes, neither of which we have articles about. Ashbrook Station ( talk) 02:23, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
I understand how User:A Quest For Knowledge (who removed the section) might see this section as receiving WP:UNDUE coverage (it's silly! agreed), and I was extremely young at the time so cannot verify from personal experience, but I've been given to understand that the "rabbit incident" was indeed a major occurrence, in terms of national-respect-levels, and was reported on (and mocked) widely and heavily at the time. (Similar to the way certain other fauxpas, or accidents, seem minor and irrelevant years later, but were key items in the media at the time, and had significant effects on public opinion).
Please discuss whether the section should be restored in this article, or whether the entire short article should be reinstated at its old location. Thanks. – Quiddity ( talk) 20:43, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps rather than or in addition to Presidency of Jimmy Carter, the incident should be mentioned in United States presidential election, 1980 as its significance may be more related to his failed reelection campaign than his presidency itself. – Wbm1058 ( talk) 02:05, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Rather than trying to figure out how we got into this situation, it might be better to reboot the discussion and figure out the best way forward. It seems to me that there is broad concensus that this content should be retained somewhere on Wikipedia, it's just a question of where. Is that accurate summation? If so, there are four possible locations discussed so far:
Is this accurate? Are there any other ideas? (Please no !voting on which of the above solutions you think is best. I'd like to make sure I've summerized everything correctly. After that, we can invite the editors of those other articles to join the discussion. The last thing we want is to achieve local concensus here only to find that the editors of the other articles disagree.) A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 12:07, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
I propose that a separate page be created for the life of the panels (some are still working) and the speech he gave. The history is interesting and there is an abundance of source material, articles, books, a documentary film, and other media as it relates to energy policy and the environment. On June 20, 1979, the Carter administration installed 32 panels designed to harvest the sun's rays and use them to heat water and gave a speech which began "In the year 2000 this solar water heater behind me, which is being dedicated today, will still be here supplying cheap, efficient energy…. A generation from now, this solar heater can either be a curiosity, a museum piece, an example of a road not taken or it can be just a small part of one of the greatest and most exciting adventures ever undertaken by the American people." In 1981 President Ronald Reagan Orders Solar Panels on the White House Removed which and reduced funding to the department of energy. Later in 2010, President Obama put solar panels back on the roof of the white house. [1] [2] Jefferythomas ( talk) 17:15, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
References
This article doesn't mention the #1 reason as to why the longshot peanut farmer from a very small town in Georgia won the '76 Presidential Election - he was honest. The US had suffered under Richard Nixon's constant lying to the point where even Republicans in Congress had had enough. Gerald Ford said over-and-over again that he had no deal worked out with President Nixon in becoming Vice President that he would pardon him, but few believed him. (At Ford's funeral, he had a statement read aloud where he admitted that he DID have a secret agreement with Nixon that he would pardon him.) Gov. Jimmy Carter declared his candidacy for president in '74 and swore "To never lie to the American people". Scholars and critics list much negative occurrences in the Carter Presidency, but no one has ever accused him of lying. 2601:580:0:C09E:2084:11A5:E2D:1410 ( talk) 12:18, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Does anyone know how this speech came to be known as the 'malaise speech', given that the word 'malaise' never appeared in it? The sources are somewhat unhelpful on that matter (although they suggest it was given that name by the media, it's not clear when or why). Robofish ( talk) 02:41, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I recently reverted an edit which relied upon Rummel's self published webpage, and Bruce Sharp's self published webpage. While Rummel also publishes academically, his webpage isn't academically published. Sharp's mekong.net is a clear SPS. When sourcing content, ensure that the article represents the consensus or debate of academic scholars, and that the sources used are reliable according to wikipedia policy. The editors at WP:RS/N can help in the case of disputes over reliability. Fifelfoo ( talk) 02:37, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I find: "Furthermore, he was the first incumbent Democratic president to seek, but fail to achieve in a general election, re-election since Andrew Johnson".
Andrew Johnson was not elected president. He was a Democrat on the "Union Party" ticket in 1864 with Abraham Lincoln ("Union Party" name being used to attract Democrats who supported the Civil War effort), replacing incumbent vice president Hannibal Hamlin. Lincoln and Johnson were elected, then Johnson succeeded to Presidency because of the assassination of Lincoln. According to what I see on Wikipedia, Johnson did seek the 1868 Democratic presidential nomination, but lost it to Horatio Seymour, who lost that election to U.S. Grant.
Grover Cleveland was, in 1888, an incumbent Democratic president who ran in the general election for re-election but failed. This was the last case before 2000 where the popular-vote winner (in 1888, Cleveland) did not win in the Electoral College. Benjamin Harrison won, but lost to Cleveland in 1892 rematch, thus leading to Cleveland having those 2 non-consecutive terms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 ( talk) 21:02, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Under heading/section of "Budget" this article reads 103 Mil acres and 417 K square kms of "nat'l park land" in Alaska, but in the heading/section of "Environment" it refers to one third of 79.53 Mil acres, 124,281 sq mi and 321,900 sq km of "public lands ... wilderness area" in Alaska. Suggest moving comment from the Budget to Environment (or changing to US dollars equivalent), and maybe also refering to just one type of the different public/park/wilderness land/areas, with just one set of measurement numbers, letting readers follow the link for detail figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.183.224.2 ( talk) 22:42, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I revised the national health insurance paragraph in the "Health care" subsection of the "Domestic policy" section from:
In 1982, Carter wrote that Senator Ted Kennedy’s disagreements with Carter's proposed health-care reform plan thwarted Carter’s efforts to provide comprehensive health-care for citizens outside the Medicare system.
to:
In April 1976, Carter proposed health care reform that included key features of the bipartisan bill for universal national health insurance sponsored by Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA). In June 1979, Carter proposed more limited health insurance reform—an employer mandate to provide private catastrophic health insurance plus coverage without cost sharing for pregnant women and infants, federalization of Medicaid with extension to the very poor without dependent minor children, and the addition of catastrophic coverage to Medicare. In November 1979, Senator Russell Long (D-LA) led a bipartisan conservative majority of his Senate Finance Committee to support an employer mandate to provide catastrophic-only coverage and the addition of catastrophic coverage to Medicare, but abandoned efforts in 1980 due to budget constraints.
and changed the sourcing from the dubious and incomplete:
Apatens ( talk) 18:19, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
This article cribs a looooooooot of wording almost completely directly from PBS. 137.48.230.40 ( talk) 17:36, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
It contains the weasel words "Though it is often said to have been ill-received" somehow backed by a link to a missing/dead webpage for its citation [#35], which seemingly was just another open source encyclopedia's entire page on Jimmy Carter...
Who let that fly? I won't edit it, because someone decided to merge that and several other of their opinions in there all together, but if anyone else has a "tasteful" correction or a relevant polling... ~Dude — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.59.145 ( talk) 18:22, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
I am proposing that we merge Jimmy Carter rabbit incident into Presidency of Jimmy Carter. Although the rabbit incident article has existed for a while, it is not notable per WP:EVENTS. The event did not have any long-term influence, and a couple paragraphs in the article about Carter's presidency seems more appropriate. I consider Carter's rabbit incident similiar to Dan Quayle "potatoe" incident or Gerald Ford's tripping episodes, neither of which we have articles about. Ashbrook Station ( talk) 02:23, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
I understand how User:A Quest For Knowledge (who removed the section) might see this section as receiving WP:UNDUE coverage (it's silly! agreed), and I was extremely young at the time so cannot verify from personal experience, but I've been given to understand that the "rabbit incident" was indeed a major occurrence, in terms of national-respect-levels, and was reported on (and mocked) widely and heavily at the time. (Similar to the way certain other fauxpas, or accidents, seem minor and irrelevant years later, but were key items in the media at the time, and had significant effects on public opinion).
Please discuss whether the section should be restored in this article, or whether the entire short article should be reinstated at its old location. Thanks. – Quiddity ( talk) 20:43, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps rather than or in addition to Presidency of Jimmy Carter, the incident should be mentioned in United States presidential election, 1980 as its significance may be more related to his failed reelection campaign than his presidency itself. – Wbm1058 ( talk) 02:05, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Rather than trying to figure out how we got into this situation, it might be better to reboot the discussion and figure out the best way forward. It seems to me that there is broad concensus that this content should be retained somewhere on Wikipedia, it's just a question of where. Is that accurate summation? If so, there are four possible locations discussed so far:
Is this accurate? Are there any other ideas? (Please no !voting on which of the above solutions you think is best. I'd like to make sure I've summerized everything correctly. After that, we can invite the editors of those other articles to join the discussion. The last thing we want is to achieve local concensus here only to find that the editors of the other articles disagree.) A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 12:07, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
I propose that a separate page be created for the life of the panels (some are still working) and the speech he gave. The history is interesting and there is an abundance of source material, articles, books, a documentary film, and other media as it relates to energy policy and the environment. On June 20, 1979, the Carter administration installed 32 panels designed to harvest the sun's rays and use them to heat water and gave a speech which began "In the year 2000 this solar water heater behind me, which is being dedicated today, will still be here supplying cheap, efficient energy…. A generation from now, this solar heater can either be a curiosity, a museum piece, an example of a road not taken or it can be just a small part of one of the greatest and most exciting adventures ever undertaken by the American people." In 1981 President Ronald Reagan Orders Solar Panels on the White House Removed which and reduced funding to the department of energy. Later in 2010, President Obama put solar panels back on the roof of the white house. [1] [2] Jefferythomas ( talk) 17:15, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
References
This article doesn't mention the #1 reason as to why the longshot peanut farmer from a very small town in Georgia won the '76 Presidential Election - he was honest. The US had suffered under Richard Nixon's constant lying to the point where even Republicans in Congress had had enough. Gerald Ford said over-and-over again that he had no deal worked out with President Nixon in becoming Vice President that he would pardon him, but few believed him. (At Ford's funeral, he had a statement read aloud where he admitted that he DID have a secret agreement with Nixon that he would pardon him.) Gov. Jimmy Carter declared his candidacy for president in '74 and swore "To never lie to the American people". Scholars and critics list much negative occurrences in the Carter Presidency, but no one has ever accused him of lying. 2601:580:0:C09E:2084:11A5:E2D:1410 ( talk) 12:18, 3 May 2020 (UTC)