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Is it worth mentioning the English language misspelling as Prescelly Hills ? -- Welshie 21:13, 2004 Sep 21 (UTC)
Possible source for discrepancies in the composition of dolerite between Preselli and Stonehenge artifacts and standing stones, from bog-standard Google search for 'dolerite wales'. Preseli dolerite bluestones PDF Note that the source does not come to any conclusions at the beginning of the report and I do not have time to read it through. Also it is not clear that this is scientific consensus. Once these caveats have been dealt with, it hopefully will prove useful. Anarchangel ( talk) 21:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I read this book by Hefin Wyn (published locally, 2008) which goes into great detail about the events of 1946-48 regarding the efforts to prevent the mountains from becoming a permanent military training ground. Is it worth expanding this page to incorporate a little of the information, as it was a notable period in the history of the Preselis. I am happy to do this if fellow Wikipedians think it's a good idea. Tony Holkham ( talk) 20:36, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm breaking the article into sections, albeit short ones for now. Hopefully it will be helpful for expanding the article in due course. Tony Holkham ( talk) 12:08, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Not sure what purpose the "non-notable" list of sites Preseli Hills#Sacred and historic sites serves. There are citations and external refs which go into detail about some of these sites, so do we need the three-column list at all?
Also, not sure why the columns don't line up. Tony Holkham ( talk) 12:49, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
My copy of OS 1 to 25000 show it being on the south eastern slopes of Crugiau Dwy, height 359 metres. However as it labels it a Television Station rather than a Transmitting Station or mast, I cannot vouch for the source. Nice place to work though, if it was a TV station! SovalValtos ( talk) 16:36, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Maybe not directly useful as is, but worth having to hand for reference.
Its chums in the same category of Commons can be useful off topic. SovalValtos ( talk) 15:22, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
As the default is with the table collapsed, it is not immediately obvious that it exists. Users of Wikipedia who are au fait with such things, hopefully will not be offended by pointing it out. I at least have not come across such a feature before, or rather, if I have, I have missed it's import and passed it by. It was only on looking for the images that my watchlist told me that had been added, that I then found the drop down list SovalValtos ( talk) 11:29, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
There is a Commons link, but it produces zero results. Tony Holkham (Talk) 17:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
It is currently asserted that the range extends from Dinas Island to Frenni Fach - by what relatable source? Might some sources exclude Frenni Fawr and Freni Fach as being separate? And Dinas Island, really? Geopersona ( talk) 19:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
I've added a section attending to aspects of the hills' geology - it ought probably to tie in more readily with the material on 'bluestones' noted in the prehistory section. Note that bluestones is a term deployed by archaeologists and others rather than geologists, based on the appearance of a diverse range of rocks in different situations - see the WP page on bluestones. British geologists would use the term dolerite for the intrusive igneous rocks involved here, Americans might say 'diabase' whist others prefer the term microgabbro - BGS use 'dolerite and 'microgabbro' of these rocks whilst I've include all three! cheers Geopersona ( talk) 20:12, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
I found this image
which might be useful in the future. I think it would be undue to use unless more text was added for it to illustrate. Thoughts? SovalValtos ( talk) 19:13, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
The text currently says that both are permitted whereas paragliding is not - the last prohibition on the last sport is referenced but the first two are not. I can imagine that horseriding may well be permitted but not so sure about mountain-biking. Both types of travel are of course authorised by law along the few bridleways which thread their way across these hills but that is statutory access and so differs from 'permission'. It may be the case that either or both are 'tolerated' - but 'permitted'? Useful to have a good reference for this - and it is unlikely to be provided by a mountain biking magazine which are often cavalier (forgive the potential pun) in these matters! cheers Geopersona ( talk) 09:20, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
This [8] gives a grid ref SN08393403 which should be useful. SovalValtos ( talk) 04:10, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Re Samuel Lewis quote: It seems there is such a thing as intestine war, though the expression is now obsolete. It means war within borders, or civil war. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:57, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
There are two hills similarly named Mynydd Bach, very near to each other in the Preselis. The Mynydd-bach with a high point of 374m, is North of Myndd Bach with a high point of 293m (as shown on summit photo on wiki). Mynydd-bach (374m) has no trig point or other summit features and is not referred to in the citation referenced. 2A00:23C7:468E:DF01:A5B2:1D6B:6C53:6724 ( talk) 00:34, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Strictly speaking, the plural of mynydd is mynyddoedd, so the first amendment was correct. While the Preselis are topographically hills (the OS decided that), the definition of a hill has changed over time. The Preselis have always been known as mountains and in fact are still called mountain (singular) on the latest OS maps and referred to as mountains by Visit Pembrokeshire, by local people, and others. I'm not being pedantic, I hope, but I don't see a problem with the use of the word mountain in the article, while the page title can be hills. There is a hill in Shropshire called Sweeney Mountain and I'm sure there are other examples around. I don't feel strongly either way, but I'm happier to leave mountains in rather than change every 'mountain' to 'hill'. Tony Holkham ( talk) 10:54, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
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Is it worth mentioning the English language misspelling as Prescelly Hills ? -- Welshie 21:13, 2004 Sep 21 (UTC)
Possible source for discrepancies in the composition of dolerite between Preselli and Stonehenge artifacts and standing stones, from bog-standard Google search for 'dolerite wales'. Preseli dolerite bluestones PDF Note that the source does not come to any conclusions at the beginning of the report and I do not have time to read it through. Also it is not clear that this is scientific consensus. Once these caveats have been dealt with, it hopefully will prove useful. Anarchangel ( talk) 21:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I read this book by Hefin Wyn (published locally, 2008) which goes into great detail about the events of 1946-48 regarding the efforts to prevent the mountains from becoming a permanent military training ground. Is it worth expanding this page to incorporate a little of the information, as it was a notable period in the history of the Preselis. I am happy to do this if fellow Wikipedians think it's a good idea. Tony Holkham ( talk) 20:36, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm breaking the article into sections, albeit short ones for now. Hopefully it will be helpful for expanding the article in due course. Tony Holkham ( talk) 12:08, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Not sure what purpose the "non-notable" list of sites Preseli Hills#Sacred and historic sites serves. There are citations and external refs which go into detail about some of these sites, so do we need the three-column list at all?
Also, not sure why the columns don't line up. Tony Holkham ( talk) 12:49, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
My copy of OS 1 to 25000 show it being on the south eastern slopes of Crugiau Dwy, height 359 metres. However as it labels it a Television Station rather than a Transmitting Station or mast, I cannot vouch for the source. Nice place to work though, if it was a TV station! SovalValtos ( talk) 16:36, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Maybe not directly useful as is, but worth having to hand for reference.
Its chums in the same category of Commons can be useful off topic. SovalValtos ( talk) 15:22, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
As the default is with the table collapsed, it is not immediately obvious that it exists. Users of Wikipedia who are au fait with such things, hopefully will not be offended by pointing it out. I at least have not come across such a feature before, or rather, if I have, I have missed it's import and passed it by. It was only on looking for the images that my watchlist told me that had been added, that I then found the drop down list SovalValtos ( talk) 11:29, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
There is a Commons link, but it produces zero results. Tony Holkham (Talk) 17:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
It is currently asserted that the range extends from Dinas Island to Frenni Fach - by what relatable source? Might some sources exclude Frenni Fawr and Freni Fach as being separate? And Dinas Island, really? Geopersona ( talk) 19:19, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
I've added a section attending to aspects of the hills' geology - it ought probably to tie in more readily with the material on 'bluestones' noted in the prehistory section. Note that bluestones is a term deployed by archaeologists and others rather than geologists, based on the appearance of a diverse range of rocks in different situations - see the WP page on bluestones. British geologists would use the term dolerite for the intrusive igneous rocks involved here, Americans might say 'diabase' whist others prefer the term microgabbro - BGS use 'dolerite and 'microgabbro' of these rocks whilst I've include all three! cheers Geopersona ( talk) 20:12, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
I found this image
which might be useful in the future. I think it would be undue to use unless more text was added for it to illustrate. Thoughts? SovalValtos ( talk) 19:13, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
The text currently says that both are permitted whereas paragliding is not - the last prohibition on the last sport is referenced but the first two are not. I can imagine that horseriding may well be permitted but not so sure about mountain-biking. Both types of travel are of course authorised by law along the few bridleways which thread their way across these hills but that is statutory access and so differs from 'permission'. It may be the case that either or both are 'tolerated' - but 'permitted'? Useful to have a good reference for this - and it is unlikely to be provided by a mountain biking magazine which are often cavalier (forgive the potential pun) in these matters! cheers Geopersona ( talk) 09:20, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
This [8] gives a grid ref SN08393403 which should be useful. SovalValtos ( talk) 04:10, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Re Samuel Lewis quote: It seems there is such a thing as intestine war, though the expression is now obsolete. It means war within borders, or civil war. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:57, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
There are two hills similarly named Mynydd Bach, very near to each other in the Preselis. The Mynydd-bach with a high point of 374m, is North of Myndd Bach with a high point of 293m (as shown on summit photo on wiki). Mynydd-bach (374m) has no trig point or other summit features and is not referred to in the citation referenced. 2A00:23C7:468E:DF01:A5B2:1D6B:6C53:6724 ( talk) 00:34, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Strictly speaking, the plural of mynydd is mynyddoedd, so the first amendment was correct. While the Preselis are topographically hills (the OS decided that), the definition of a hill has changed over time. The Preselis have always been known as mountains and in fact are still called mountain (singular) on the latest OS maps and referred to as mountains by Visit Pembrokeshire, by local people, and others. I'm not being pedantic, I hope, but I don't see a problem with the use of the word mountain in the article, while the page title can be hills. There is a hill in Shropshire called Sweeney Mountain and I'm sure there are other examples around. I don't feel strongly either way, but I'm happier to leave mountains in rather than change every 'mountain' to 'hill'. Tony Holkham ( talk) 10:54, 7 November 2013 (UTC)