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"Before the 1890s, there was no formal party system in South Australia. Party labels before that time indicate a general tendency only." Does anyone know what "general tendencies" the governments before the 1890s had, and if so is there a way to indicate this in the article without referring to them as Labor/Liberal (for obvious reasons) or "left" and "right"? I'm not sure myself but would be quite interested to find out and indicate them in a meaningful and correct way. Timeshift 15:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Nice to see that the SA parliament website relies on us for something :-) Click "Premiers of South Australia" on this page Timeshift 14:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Grr... can anyone figure it out? Timeshift ( talk) 11:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I have created an SA ALP leader template. How far back should an SA Liberal leader template go? Eastick was the first Liberal Party leader, LCL has a seperate wiki page with 4 leaders and should have another template? Timeshift ( talk) 03:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Removed CLP refs, per http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A110181b.htm - The Liberals exhibited a new assertiveness: in 1906 they had formed the Liberal and Democratic Union with a network of branches... Stung by Labor's April election victory, in September 1910 the anti-Labor parties amalgamated to form the Liberal Union, with Peake as parliamentary leader. Timeshift ( talk) 03:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
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If Vaughan left Labor in 1916 to help form the NLP, but remained Premier until 1917, who was Labor leader during this time? I can't seem to find an answer for it, and Vaughan's infobox showing him as Labor leader until 1917 is clearly wrong. Timeshift ( talk) 02:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Such as when a non-Labor party become another non-Labor party under a different name under the same leader, and other possible errors. Thanks. Timeshift ( talk) 17:10, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
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I note with interest the highlighting of a period of time when a so-called gerrymander was in place, often referred to as a "Playmander" after Tom Playford, the Premier at the time.
Is this necessary? There is an argument that an additional period post 2002 that is known as the "Reverse Playmander" is now in place, and in the spirit of neutrality should also be included.
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Fisher - rural Clarendon, Cherry Gardens, Coromandel East and Chandlers Hill added in (damn the reverse playmander!) and yet the Libs still lose it to Labor. Nearly a 10% 2PP swing and with unchanged boundaries since the last election. Utter lulz. But by all means, I hope Libs keep making excuses for losing elections here, it will only prolong their already vast time on the opposition benches. Timeshift ( talk) 00:22, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
I was re-doing his lead slightly, and came across this and this for references to reword "but is perhaps best remembered for having Uluru/Ayers Rock named for him" as I couldn't find any refs to support this subjective/opinionated wording. Little was I to know the minefield I was about to stumble across. Both refs say Ayers was Premier of South Australia seven times! According to both his article and Premier of South Australia, we have him down for five times. So I checked ye olde faithful only to find that their Premier list on page 173 only starts from Walsh/1965! Odd, I seem to recall it going back much further. So, next stop was SA Parliament Premiers and Ayer's biography, which also says he was Premier seven times! So I clicked on the "Ministerial Appointment" dropdown, to find five Premier listings, five "Chief Secretary" listings, and one "Without Office" listing! I had a read of Chief Secretary, which very dumbed down my understanding is it is basically the old name for Premier (second in charge after the Governor). According to ye olde faithful, we had a Chief Secretary from 1856 right through to 1989, so once SA had a Premier i'm not sure what the Chief Secretary's role was apart from perhaps a ceremonial one, but I digress slightly. I'm now not sure exactly where we sourced the data for Premier of South Australia from and where we got five times for Ayers from (note, refs used in Premier articles are dying en-masse), i'm not sure why three sources including SA Parliament say he was Premier seven times, and why the SA Parliament "Ministerial Appointment" dropdown has him down for five-time Premier and five-time Chief Secretary and whatever the "Without Office" listing is. Where there's smoke, there's fire... this is likely just the tip of the iceberg. And the final Ayers confusion, while he was CS there were other MPs serving as Premier, and while he was Premier there were others serving as CS. I thought I had a half-reasonable grasp on early SA political history, but this has made me re-assess that significantly. My grasp on this is shattered. Does anyone have the motivation to proceed to check and solidly source Premier of South Australia and the individual Premier articles? What ref and/or method are we currently using, and if it's not the correct or best way, what ref and/or method should we be using? I've left Henry Ayers as a five-time Premier in the lead for now as that's what was there and what's in Premier of South Australia, but I think it will be one of many SA Premier articles under review/fact check. Additionally, there's a Chief Secretary of New South Wales article, does anyone want to do a Chief Secretary of South Australia article and/or list, presumably based on page 173? Anywho, thanks for reading... logging off, i've got a headache now :/ Timeshift ( talk) 19:19, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Template:South Australian ministries displays the discrepancy in a nutshell: it depends on how you define times. Ayers had seven ministries, but the first and second, and the sixth and seventh were consecutive. He was sworn in as Premier atop seven different ministries; he had five unbroken stints as Premier, even if he might have been in acting mode in the brief stints between the dates his consecutive ministries fell and were voted back in. (Look at the individual ministries in the Statistical Register - it records the ministry as continuing in office until its successor was sworn in, so by that logic Ayers was still serving as Premier when he was re-sworn in with new ministers each time.) Does this make sense? I don't care which one you want to use in the article: I would probably go with whichever figure other sources use (noting that there's better sources than those cited), but they're both technically right so whatever. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 14:05, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
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"Before the 1890s, there was no formal party system in South Australia. Party labels before that time indicate a general tendency only." Does anyone know what "general tendencies" the governments before the 1890s had, and if so is there a way to indicate this in the article without referring to them as Labor/Liberal (for obvious reasons) or "left" and "right"? I'm not sure myself but would be quite interested to find out and indicate them in a meaningful and correct way. Timeshift 15:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Nice to see that the SA parliament website relies on us for something :-) Click "Premiers of South Australia" on this page Timeshift 14:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Grr... can anyone figure it out? Timeshift ( talk) 11:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I have created an SA ALP leader template. How far back should an SA Liberal leader template go? Eastick was the first Liberal Party leader, LCL has a seperate wiki page with 4 leaders and should have another template? Timeshift ( talk) 03:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Removed CLP refs, per http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A110181b.htm - The Liberals exhibited a new assertiveness: in 1906 they had formed the Liberal and Democratic Union with a network of branches... Stung by Labor's April election victory, in September 1910 the anti-Labor parties amalgamated to form the Liberal Union, with Peake as parliamentary leader. Timeshift ( talk) 03:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
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If Vaughan left Labor in 1916 to help form the NLP, but remained Premier until 1917, who was Labor leader during this time? I can't seem to find an answer for it, and Vaughan's infobox showing him as Labor leader until 1917 is clearly wrong. Timeshift ( talk) 02:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Such as when a non-Labor party become another non-Labor party under a different name under the same leader, and other possible errors. Thanks. Timeshift ( talk) 17:10, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Premiers of Victoria which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RM bot 15:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I note with interest the highlighting of a period of time when a so-called gerrymander was in place, often referred to as a "Playmander" after Tom Playford, the Premier at the time.
Is this necessary? There is an argument that an additional period post 2002 that is known as the "Reverse Playmander" is now in place, and in the spirit of neutrality should also be included.
Screech1616 (
talk)
12:53, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Fisher - rural Clarendon, Cherry Gardens, Coromandel East and Chandlers Hill added in (damn the reverse playmander!) and yet the Libs still lose it to Labor. Nearly a 10% 2PP swing and with unchanged boundaries since the last election. Utter lulz. But by all means, I hope Libs keep making excuses for losing elections here, it will only prolong their already vast time on the opposition benches. Timeshift ( talk) 00:22, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
I was re-doing his lead slightly, and came across this and this for references to reword "but is perhaps best remembered for having Uluru/Ayers Rock named for him" as I couldn't find any refs to support this subjective/opinionated wording. Little was I to know the minefield I was about to stumble across. Both refs say Ayers was Premier of South Australia seven times! According to both his article and Premier of South Australia, we have him down for five times. So I checked ye olde faithful only to find that their Premier list on page 173 only starts from Walsh/1965! Odd, I seem to recall it going back much further. So, next stop was SA Parliament Premiers and Ayer's biography, which also says he was Premier seven times! So I clicked on the "Ministerial Appointment" dropdown, to find five Premier listings, five "Chief Secretary" listings, and one "Without Office" listing! I had a read of Chief Secretary, which very dumbed down my understanding is it is basically the old name for Premier (second in charge after the Governor). According to ye olde faithful, we had a Chief Secretary from 1856 right through to 1989, so once SA had a Premier i'm not sure what the Chief Secretary's role was apart from perhaps a ceremonial one, but I digress slightly. I'm now not sure exactly where we sourced the data for Premier of South Australia from and where we got five times for Ayers from (note, refs used in Premier articles are dying en-masse), i'm not sure why three sources including SA Parliament say he was Premier seven times, and why the SA Parliament "Ministerial Appointment" dropdown has him down for five-time Premier and five-time Chief Secretary and whatever the "Without Office" listing is. Where there's smoke, there's fire... this is likely just the tip of the iceberg. And the final Ayers confusion, while he was CS there were other MPs serving as Premier, and while he was Premier there were others serving as CS. I thought I had a half-reasonable grasp on early SA political history, but this has made me re-assess that significantly. My grasp on this is shattered. Does anyone have the motivation to proceed to check and solidly source Premier of South Australia and the individual Premier articles? What ref and/or method are we currently using, and if it's not the correct or best way, what ref and/or method should we be using? I've left Henry Ayers as a five-time Premier in the lead for now as that's what was there and what's in Premier of South Australia, but I think it will be one of many SA Premier articles under review/fact check. Additionally, there's a Chief Secretary of New South Wales article, does anyone want to do a Chief Secretary of South Australia article and/or list, presumably based on page 173? Anywho, thanks for reading... logging off, i've got a headache now :/ Timeshift ( talk) 19:19, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Template:South Australian ministries displays the discrepancy in a nutshell: it depends on how you define times. Ayers had seven ministries, but the first and second, and the sixth and seventh were consecutive. He was sworn in as Premier atop seven different ministries; he had five unbroken stints as Premier, even if he might have been in acting mode in the brief stints between the dates his consecutive ministries fell and were voted back in. (Look at the individual ministries in the Statistical Register - it records the ministry as continuing in office until its successor was sworn in, so by that logic Ayers was still serving as Premier when he was re-sworn in with new ministers each time.) Does this make sense? I don't care which one you want to use in the article: I would probably go with whichever figure other sources use (noting that there's better sources than those cited), but they're both technically right so whatever. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 14:05, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
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