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I flagged this article as needing an expert, ideally some doctor who also knows how to write wikipedia articles. This article is a total mess. There are a lot of competing theories citing various papers, and no coherent view of the actual causes or treatments. In the treatments section, too many "potential" treatments are listed, even many with studies, but no indication of the results of the studies. If they were not double-blind with significant improvement compared to placebo, they should not be listed as treatments. There was even some comment about evolutionary relevance, which is likely total rubbish. Speculative or unsubstantiated theories should not be included either, even if they were published. The same goes for discussions about genetic origins and twin studies. This does not mean much to the etiology. While it may suggest there is a genetic component, MANY things have genetic components. Unless someone identified an allele and stated that it specifically adversely affects only women cyclically each month, this should not be included. For example, serotonin transporter promoter VNTRs are associated with depression IN THE GENERAL POPULATION, and not just women due to hormonal or other physiological fluctuations. Wrfrancis ( talk) 11:17, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
At bottom this article links to the Feminism article. But why?
The Feminism article — at least as of this writing — contains no mention of PMS or of menstruation. Daqu ( talk) 03:25, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
The 2003 ref in AFP states "Up to 85 percent of menstruating women report having one or more premenstrual symptoms, and 2 to 10 percent report disabling, incapacitating symptoms" [1]
The NIH states "There’s a wide range of estimates of how many women suffer from PMS. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists estimates that at least 85 percent of menstruating women have at least 1 PMS symptom as part of their monthly cycle. Most of these women have fairly mild symptoms that don’t need treatment. Others (about 3 to 8 percent) have a more severe form of PMS, called premenstrual dysphoric (dis-FOHR-ik) disorder (PMDD)." [2]
These estimates appear to be somewhat at odds. User:WhatamIdoing do you think of "Up to 85% women of child-bearing age report having symptoms prior to menstruation. [1] In two to ten percent the symptoms interfer with normal activities. [1]" as a summary? The 85% is not refering to just "physical symptoms" but any symptoms. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 15:34, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
The AFP 2003 paper says
"At least one of the following affective and somatic symptoms during the five days before menses in each of the three previous cycles:
Affective symptoms: depression, angry outbursts, irritability, anxiety, confusion, social withdrawal
Somatic symptoms: breast tenderness, abdominal bloating, headache, swelling of extremities
Symptoms relieved from days 4 through 13 of the menstrual cycle"
Thus it requirs both emotional and physical symptoms to be present. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 15:55, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
The text currently says, Menstrual psychosis typically occurs during the premenstion or menstruation. Is this a typo, or an uncommon word? It doesn't look like a valid Latin coinage to me ... in any case, even if the word is correct, we should link it to what it means ... unless it's just another synonym for PMS, in which case I would prefer that we just write PMS. — Soap — 21:19, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
"The chief complaint is the temporary and predictable appearance of emotional symptoms, such as irritability or mood changes."
Ref says "is characterized by emotional and physical symptoms that consistently occur during the luteal phase of the menstrual cycle." https://www.aafp.org/afp/2003/0415/p1743.html
User:WhatamIdoing I am not seeing it emphasize the emotional symptoms over the physical ones.
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:44, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Proposed addition:
Most studies investigating Damask rose have not attempted to determine efficacy specifically for PMS, but instead for some of the individual symptoms of PMS. [2] Damask rose essential oil used during the luteal phase has a small positive effect on PMS symptoms. [2] Supplementation with Damask rose reduces menstruation-related headaches, fatigue, and bloating. [3] Damask rose reduces state anxiety, depression, and stress in adults, though further high-quality randomized controlled trials are needed to draw reliable conclusions regarding this. [4]
3 recent review articles, all listed on PubMed. @ Zefr -- Isabela31 ( talk) 02:35, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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All weak sources in low-quality publications, inconsistent with WP:MEDSCI. Listing of a publication on PubMed does not give it high-quality WP:MEDRS status; it is just a listing service. Zefr ( talk) 17:37, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Several times, someone has tried to make this article gender-neutral. That might be a desirable goal, but it is not good to do this in a way that is factually wrong and innumerate. Please note:
By contrast:
Please don't repeat this error, and please immediately revert any edit that you see that makes this error. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 03:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
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I flagged this article as needing an expert, ideally some doctor who also knows how to write wikipedia articles. This article is a total mess. There are a lot of competing theories citing various papers, and no coherent view of the actual causes or treatments. In the treatments section, too many "potential" treatments are listed, even many with studies, but no indication of the results of the studies. If they were not double-blind with significant improvement compared to placebo, they should not be listed as treatments. There was even some comment about evolutionary relevance, which is likely total rubbish. Speculative or unsubstantiated theories should not be included either, even if they were published. The same goes for discussions about genetic origins and twin studies. This does not mean much to the etiology. While it may suggest there is a genetic component, MANY things have genetic components. Unless someone identified an allele and stated that it specifically adversely affects only women cyclically each month, this should not be included. For example, serotonin transporter promoter VNTRs are associated with depression IN THE GENERAL POPULATION, and not just women due to hormonal or other physiological fluctuations. Wrfrancis ( talk) 11:17, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
At bottom this article links to the Feminism article. But why?
The Feminism article — at least as of this writing — contains no mention of PMS or of menstruation. Daqu ( talk) 03:25, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
The 2003 ref in AFP states "Up to 85 percent of menstruating women report having one or more premenstrual symptoms, and 2 to 10 percent report disabling, incapacitating symptoms" [1]
The NIH states "There’s a wide range of estimates of how many women suffer from PMS. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists estimates that at least 85 percent of menstruating women have at least 1 PMS symptom as part of their monthly cycle. Most of these women have fairly mild symptoms that don’t need treatment. Others (about 3 to 8 percent) have a more severe form of PMS, called premenstrual dysphoric (dis-FOHR-ik) disorder (PMDD)." [2]
These estimates appear to be somewhat at odds. User:WhatamIdoing do you think of "Up to 85% women of child-bearing age report having symptoms prior to menstruation. [1] In two to ten percent the symptoms interfer with normal activities. [1]" as a summary? The 85% is not refering to just "physical symptoms" but any symptoms. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 15:34, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
The AFP 2003 paper says
"At least one of the following affective and somatic symptoms during the five days before menses in each of the three previous cycles:
Affective symptoms: depression, angry outbursts, irritability, anxiety, confusion, social withdrawal
Somatic symptoms: breast tenderness, abdominal bloating, headache, swelling of extremities
Symptoms relieved from days 4 through 13 of the menstrual cycle"
Thus it requirs both emotional and physical symptoms to be present. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 15:55, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
The text currently says, Menstrual psychosis typically occurs during the premenstion or menstruation. Is this a typo, or an uncommon word? It doesn't look like a valid Latin coinage to me ... in any case, even if the word is correct, we should link it to what it means ... unless it's just another synonym for PMS, in which case I would prefer that we just write PMS. — Soap — 21:19, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
"The chief complaint is the temporary and predictable appearance of emotional symptoms, such as irritability or mood changes."
Ref says "is characterized by emotional and physical symptoms that consistently occur during the luteal phase of the menstrual cycle." https://www.aafp.org/afp/2003/0415/p1743.html
User:WhatamIdoing I am not seeing it emphasize the emotional symptoms over the physical ones.
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:44, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Proposed addition:
Most studies investigating Damask rose have not attempted to determine efficacy specifically for PMS, but instead for some of the individual symptoms of PMS. [2] Damask rose essential oil used during the luteal phase has a small positive effect on PMS symptoms. [2] Supplementation with Damask rose reduces menstruation-related headaches, fatigue, and bloating. [3] Damask rose reduces state anxiety, depression, and stress in adults, though further high-quality randomized controlled trials are needed to draw reliable conclusions regarding this. [4]
3 recent review articles, all listed on PubMed. @ Zefr -- Isabela31 ( talk) 02:35, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
References
AFP2003
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).{{
cite journal}}
: Check date values in: |date=
(
help)
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link)
All weak sources in low-quality publications, inconsistent with WP:MEDSCI. Listing of a publication on PubMed does not give it high-quality WP:MEDRS status; it is just a listing service. Zefr ( talk) 17:37, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Several times, someone has tried to make this article gender-neutral. That might be a desirable goal, but it is not good to do this in a way that is factually wrong and innumerate. Please note:
By contrast:
Please don't repeat this error, and please immediately revert any edit that you see that makes this error. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 03:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)