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I added a book that talks about a "PPNA" site that dates from 9.000 BC. Also, the Antiquity source says "11500 - 10500 cal BP". And a [ http://neareast-prehistory.com/html/ppna.html website from an archaeologist dates its start at "from the Final Natufian at around 10,300-10,000bp". I have no idea of what "BP" means in archaeology. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 15:33, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
P.D.: actually, those ages are only for PPN-A. The lead should have the dates from when PPN-A starts to when PPN-C ends. Dunno if it's around 6200 BC or so. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 15:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
To add to this article: mention of the fact that, although pottery was not produced or used by people of the Pre-Pottery Neolithic, they seem to have made containers out of stone (as the four photos in the article indicate). 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 13:32, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Why are the dna studies all before 2010 lol, early Europe farmers are clearly closer to sardina then anyone else in the world and all Europe is closer than the near east which any recent study after the single outdated cherry picked source here will tell you 68.1.191.4 ( talk) 01:27, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Cypriots being the closer to Levant Neolithic than Levantines seemed very weird since Levantines have the highest Levant Neolithic ancestry + extra ancestry not so different to Levant neolithic, so i also ran fst for the same Neolithic Levantine samples (Jordan_PPNB) and they seem to score crazy high Fst distances to everyone, something is obviously wrong with the samples. That picture should be removed because its misleading.
Look at the Fst i ran. Jordan_PPNB has crazy high distances to everyone compared to Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (Barcin_N).
Admixtools 2 Fst | Admixtools 2 Fst | |||||
Genetic distance to Anatolian Neolithic Farmers | est | Standard Errors/ Deviation | Genetic distance to Jordan_PPNB | est | Standard Errors/ Deviation | |
Greece_BA_Mycenaean | 1,26% | 0,09% | Lebanon_MBA,SG | 19,400% | 0,421% | |
Minoan_All | 1,28% | 0,12% | Egyptian | 20,800% | 0,286% | |
Italian_South | 1,83% | 0,09% | Minoan_All | 21,000% | 0,378% | |
Sicilian | 1,96% | 0,06% | Greece_BA_Mycenaean | 21,100% | 0,336% | |
Italian_North | 1,99% | 0,05% | Cypriot | 21,200% | 0,327% | |
Sardinian | 2,02% | 0,05% | Jordanian | 21,200% | 0,304% | |
Cypriot | 2,04% | 0,08% | Lebanese | 21,300% | 0,310% | |
Albanian | 2,07% | 0,07% | Moroccan | 21,300% | 0,301% | |
Greek_Thessaloniki | 2,12% | 0,06% | Italian_South | 21,400% | 0,338% | |
Bulgarian | 2,14% | 0,06% | Saudi | 21,400% | 0,305% | |
Greek_Athens | 2,19% | 0,05% | Syrian | 21,400% | 0,309% | |
Spanish | 2,24% | 0,04% | Sicilian | 21,600% | 0,310% | |
Lebanon_MBA,SG | 2,37% | 0,19% | Anatolia_Neolithic | 21,700% | 0,318% | |
Lebanese | 2,44% | 0,06% | Albanian | 21,800% | 0,334% | |
Jordanian | 2,53% | 0,06% | Greek_Athens | 21,800% | 0,294% | |
Turkish_Istanbul | 2,56% | 0,06% | Greek_Thessaloniki | 21,800% | 0,307% | |
Armenian | 2,58% | 0,07% | Italian_North | 21,800% | 0,300% | |
French | 2,61% | 0,05% | Armenian | 21,900% | 0,307% | |
Egyptian | 2,71% | 0,06% | Iranian | 22,000% | 0,297% | |
Syrian | 2,79% | 0,07% | Turkish_Istanbul | 22,000% | 0,303% | |
Georgian | 2,97% | 0,06% | Bulgarian | 22,100% | 0,307% | |
Czech | 2,98% | 0,07% | Spanish | 22,100% | 0,294% | |
English | 2,99% | 0,07% | Georgian | 22,300% | 0,298% | |
Iranian | 3,09% | 0,06% | Sardinian | 22,300% | 0,306% | |
Saudi | 3,21% | 0,08% | French | 22,400% | 0,297% | |
Norwegian | 3,22% | 0,07% | Czech | 22,600% | 0,316% | |
Icelandic | 3,36% | 0,07% | English | 22,600% | 0,319% | |
Belarusian | 3,40% | 0,07% | Norwegian | 22,900% | 0,312% | |
Moroccan | 3,53% | 0,07% | Belarusian | 23,000% | 0,314% | |
Punjabi | 6,71% | 0,11% | Icelandic | 23,200% | 0,311% | |
Han | 13,70% | 0,14% | Israel_Natufian | 24,300% | 1,200% | |
Dinka,DG | 16,00% | 0,17% | Punjabi | 24,700% | 0,314% | |
Israel_Natufian | 16,50% | 0,60% | Han | 30,900% | 0,318% | |
Yoruba | 16,60% | 0,14% | Dinka,DG | 31,300% | 0,350% | |
Morocco_Iberomaurusian | 19,20% | 0,25% | Yoruba | 31,700% | 0,303% | |
Jordan_PPNB | 21,80% | 0,32% | Morocco_Iberomaurusian | 33,900% | 0,429% | |
Mbuti,DG | 22,80% | 0,17% | Mbuti,DG | 37,600% | 0,315% |
Itisme3248 ( talk) 23:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
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I added a book that talks about a "PPNA" site that dates from 9.000 BC. Also, the Antiquity source says "11500 - 10500 cal BP". And a [ http://neareast-prehistory.com/html/ppna.html website from an archaeologist dates its start at "from the Final Natufian at around 10,300-10,000bp". I have no idea of what "BP" means in archaeology. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 15:33, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
P.D.: actually, those ages are only for PPN-A. The lead should have the dates from when PPN-A starts to when PPN-C ends. Dunno if it's around 6200 BC or so. -- Enric Naval ( talk) 15:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
To add to this article: mention of the fact that, although pottery was not produced or used by people of the Pre-Pottery Neolithic, they seem to have made containers out of stone (as the four photos in the article indicate). 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 13:32, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Why are the dna studies all before 2010 lol, early Europe farmers are clearly closer to sardina then anyone else in the world and all Europe is closer than the near east which any recent study after the single outdated cherry picked source here will tell you 68.1.191.4 ( talk) 01:27, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Cypriots being the closer to Levant Neolithic than Levantines seemed very weird since Levantines have the highest Levant Neolithic ancestry + extra ancestry not so different to Levant neolithic, so i also ran fst for the same Neolithic Levantine samples (Jordan_PPNB) and they seem to score crazy high Fst distances to everyone, something is obviously wrong with the samples. That picture should be removed because its misleading.
Look at the Fst i ran. Jordan_PPNB has crazy high distances to everyone compared to Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (Barcin_N).
Admixtools 2 Fst | Admixtools 2 Fst | |||||
Genetic distance to Anatolian Neolithic Farmers | est | Standard Errors/ Deviation | Genetic distance to Jordan_PPNB | est | Standard Errors/ Deviation | |
Greece_BA_Mycenaean | 1,26% | 0,09% | Lebanon_MBA,SG | 19,400% | 0,421% | |
Minoan_All | 1,28% | 0,12% | Egyptian | 20,800% | 0,286% | |
Italian_South | 1,83% | 0,09% | Minoan_All | 21,000% | 0,378% | |
Sicilian | 1,96% | 0,06% | Greece_BA_Mycenaean | 21,100% | 0,336% | |
Italian_North | 1,99% | 0,05% | Cypriot | 21,200% | 0,327% | |
Sardinian | 2,02% | 0,05% | Jordanian | 21,200% | 0,304% | |
Cypriot | 2,04% | 0,08% | Lebanese | 21,300% | 0,310% | |
Albanian | 2,07% | 0,07% | Moroccan | 21,300% | 0,301% | |
Greek_Thessaloniki | 2,12% | 0,06% | Italian_South | 21,400% | 0,338% | |
Bulgarian | 2,14% | 0,06% | Saudi | 21,400% | 0,305% | |
Greek_Athens | 2,19% | 0,05% | Syrian | 21,400% | 0,309% | |
Spanish | 2,24% | 0,04% | Sicilian | 21,600% | 0,310% | |
Lebanon_MBA,SG | 2,37% | 0,19% | Anatolia_Neolithic | 21,700% | 0,318% | |
Lebanese | 2,44% | 0,06% | Albanian | 21,800% | 0,334% | |
Jordanian | 2,53% | 0,06% | Greek_Athens | 21,800% | 0,294% | |
Turkish_Istanbul | 2,56% | 0,06% | Greek_Thessaloniki | 21,800% | 0,307% | |
Armenian | 2,58% | 0,07% | Italian_North | 21,800% | 0,300% | |
French | 2,61% | 0,05% | Armenian | 21,900% | 0,307% | |
Egyptian | 2,71% | 0,06% | Iranian | 22,000% | 0,297% | |
Syrian | 2,79% | 0,07% | Turkish_Istanbul | 22,000% | 0,303% | |
Georgian | 2,97% | 0,06% | Bulgarian | 22,100% | 0,307% | |
Czech | 2,98% | 0,07% | Spanish | 22,100% | 0,294% | |
English | 2,99% | 0,07% | Georgian | 22,300% | 0,298% | |
Iranian | 3,09% | 0,06% | Sardinian | 22,300% | 0,306% | |
Saudi | 3,21% | 0,08% | French | 22,400% | 0,297% | |
Norwegian | 3,22% | 0,07% | Czech | 22,600% | 0,316% | |
Icelandic | 3,36% | 0,07% | English | 22,600% | 0,319% | |
Belarusian | 3,40% | 0,07% | Norwegian | 22,900% | 0,312% | |
Moroccan | 3,53% | 0,07% | Belarusian | 23,000% | 0,314% | |
Punjabi | 6,71% | 0,11% | Icelandic | 23,200% | 0,311% | |
Han | 13,70% | 0,14% | Israel_Natufian | 24,300% | 1,200% | |
Dinka,DG | 16,00% | 0,17% | Punjabi | 24,700% | 0,314% | |
Israel_Natufian | 16,50% | 0,60% | Han | 30,900% | 0,318% | |
Yoruba | 16,60% | 0,14% | Dinka,DG | 31,300% | 0,350% | |
Morocco_Iberomaurusian | 19,20% | 0,25% | Yoruba | 31,700% | 0,303% | |
Jordan_PPNB | 21,80% | 0,32% | Morocco_Iberomaurusian | 33,900% | 0,429% | |
Mbuti,DG | 22,80% | 0,17% | Mbuti,DG | 37,600% | 0,315% |
Itisme3248 ( talk) 23:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC)