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Use Wikipedia:Votes for deletion if you want to propose removal of Power violence.
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Please do not add the {{delete}} tag to the article again. This would be considered vandalism and you would be blocked.
Again, if you want the article removed you must propose it under Wikipedia:Votes for deletion. See the detailed instructions at the bottom of that page. -- Curps 22:24, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
A persistent vandal at 141.154.x.x keeps proposing this article for speedy deletion although he has been told repeatedly that it is not a candidate and he should try VfD instead. A brief search at Google seems to show that this term is in actual use and does not appear to be a hoax. Even if it was a hoax, it's certainly not an obvious one, and should not be deleted without going through VfD. -- Curps 07:32, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Stupid powertripping egotistical assholes. Fuck you! Power Violence is not, I repeat NOT, a recognized genre. If you feel otherwise, cite an AUTHORITY on the matter. 141.154.234.84 19:23, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Just a note: the Bruce Banner link here points to the comic book character, and not to the power violence band named after him. Maybe the link could be changed to Bruce Banner? Also, I'd vote in favour of keeping this article since the drum beat article references it. It would also be nice to see a note about the importance of blast beats in this article. Be aware that I created the drum beat article, and the reference contained therein, so I may not be entirely unbiased.
-- Macho 15:27 25 Apr 2005 (CST)
I am pretty apathetic about the article, but I must say that it requires citations, either to AMG or a print source, to indicate that this is not a neologism. I certainly won't be edit warring over it, but the vandal has a point: it's really the burden of the article to establish the legitimacy and significance of the topic, and not the burden of the reader to disprove them. Please do offer some citations to help make this discussion stronger and to establish its legitimacy. Geogre 22:14, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
If the "vandal" has been blocked, why is protection in place? Were all procedures followed before protecting? (E.g. if the page is protected, the skeptics can't actually place it on VfD.) Again, I have no interest in this page's continued existence or deletion, but I must urge you, user:Curps, to play it by the book and remove the protection very soon. Geogre 22:16, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Other discussion has taken place at User_talk:Geogre#speedy_deleting_.22hoax.22_pages and User_talk:Curps#Hoaxes_.3F. See also Special:Contributions/141.154.244.54 and Special:Contributions/141.154.234.84. -- Curps 03:53, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Power violence is a very real genre of music, this article should definately not be deleted. Just because it is not a very common term doesn't not mean it doesn't exist or that the article is a hoax. All the bands given as examples in the article are real bands, I would know seeing as how I own recordings put out by them. Not only that, but most of these bands actually use the term "power violence" in lyrics, song and album titles, such as Fuck On The Beach's album "Power Violence Forever", The Ultimate Warriors' album "Power Violence Mayhem", Godstomper's "Saturday Morning Power Violence" and the Spazz songs "Mighty Morhpin Power Violence" and "Raisins Hate Fear and Power Violence". Firexstorm
What is wrong with Curps? He has not once cited an authority saying Power violence is a recognized genre. Yet he persists in his abusive reverts. 141.154.228.160 14:42, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Lots of phrases return thouands of hits on Google. What you need is citiations from third-party publications (not just after-the-fact references). Got it?
I adjusted the listing of bands to include a couple of bands that are generally considered very important "power violence" bands but do not have wiki articles. I added Man is the Bastard, Crossed Out, and Spazz. I also removed a couple that are not major artists. Those artists need to have wiki articles written about them, I would do it but I have limited time as I am moving soon. MITB is generally considered be the first true "power violence" band and supposedly coined the phrase (although I can't find a source on that right now). Spazz and Crossed Out were also very popular bands of the genre and need to be included. The inclusion of Crossed Out may be debatable, but it is very important to include Spazz. I removed The Locust and Quill. The Locust are generally not considered PV (despite having a split with MITB) and a lot of power violence fans would react negativly to the locust being defined as such. Quill are most likely considered power violence, but are not a particularly important or notable artist. Tombride 00:11, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I dont have a problem with it being listed if bands are labelled as this and whatnot, but out of curiousity (I dont think the article explained this very well), what makes power violence different from other forms of hardcore, noticibly different enough for it to warrant its own classification? - Razorhead, 30 March 2007
How is it noticibly different? 1) It lacks the metal influence of Crossover thrash, crust punk, grindcore and metalcore 2) It lacks the funk influence of funkcore. 3) It is much faster, and is vocals are much harsher than Hardcore punk, youth crew or skate punk. 4) It utilizes blast beats instead of d-beats, and is so diffrent from D-Beat punk. 5)It lacks melody, unlike Melodic hardcore punk
Do you have any sources to back you up on the above list? Whose criteria are these? 66.155.209.26 ( talk) 13:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah I call bullshit. idiots. 69.17.49.17 ( talk) 22:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Is it quite possibly the greatest song ever written? "Crossed Out, No Comment, Manpig, Capitalist Casualties, Man Is The Bastard, West Coast Power Violence LETS FUCKING GO!..."
good song
Please, do ass bands if they do not have a page on wikipedia. If you wish to create a page and then add them, you may do so Johan Rachmaninov ( talk) 03:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
loud, abrasive, extreme punk. sounds like the same thing to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.21.140 ( talk) 22:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Listen to the complete discographies of a couple Grind bands and then those of a few Powerviolence bands. Compare genres by way of the actual music and not descriptive terms. You will hear their distinctiveness then. 64.42.220.123 ( talk) 16:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I too don't understand the difference between them. I don't understand the difference between Despise You and Agoraphobic Nosebleed. They both use the blast beat and they both do short songs less than one minute. 20:28 3rd October 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.67.142 ( talk) 19:28, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
not really a discussion but i think we should list powerviolence bands here so people can check them out.by here i mean in this section not on the page because people get pissy about that. ...i dont really feel like thinking about this that much, but people should add to the list, i will frequently.
final draft despise you world eater daisycutter No comment —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.50.200.237 ( talk) 00:45, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Apathetic ronald macdonald, charles bronson, ACxDC, Duke Nukem forever, PLF(more grind but still awesome) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
173.50.200.237 (
talk)
03:51, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
The genre has become more and more rigid over the last several years. When it began it included bands that brought in more diverse influences. Case in point, Man is the Bastard and Crossed Out have similar vocals but MITB adds electronics and has several long, slow songs. I would include the bands Gasp, Suffering Luna, No Le$$, and Sleestak as examples of the genre's early stylistic diversity. Seanleys ( talk) 07:23, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Bands like Orchid are examples of emo violence (emo/screamo/power violence) and this small movement is cited on other pages, can it or is it worth incorperating into this article E.G. Legacy section? Jonjonjohny ( talk) 16:18, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
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Use Wikipedia:Votes for deletion if you want to propose removal of Power violence.
This is not a candidate for speedy deletion under Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion.
Please do not add the {{delete}} tag to the article again. This would be considered vandalism and you would be blocked.
Again, if you want the article removed you must propose it under Wikipedia:Votes for deletion. See the detailed instructions at the bottom of that page. -- Curps 22:24, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
A persistent vandal at 141.154.x.x keeps proposing this article for speedy deletion although he has been told repeatedly that it is not a candidate and he should try VfD instead. A brief search at Google seems to show that this term is in actual use and does not appear to be a hoax. Even if it was a hoax, it's certainly not an obvious one, and should not be deleted without going through VfD. -- Curps 07:32, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Stupid powertripping egotistical assholes. Fuck you! Power Violence is not, I repeat NOT, a recognized genre. If you feel otherwise, cite an AUTHORITY on the matter. 141.154.234.84 19:23, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Just a note: the Bruce Banner link here points to the comic book character, and not to the power violence band named after him. Maybe the link could be changed to Bruce Banner? Also, I'd vote in favour of keeping this article since the drum beat article references it. It would also be nice to see a note about the importance of blast beats in this article. Be aware that I created the drum beat article, and the reference contained therein, so I may not be entirely unbiased.
-- Macho 15:27 25 Apr 2005 (CST)
I am pretty apathetic about the article, but I must say that it requires citations, either to AMG or a print source, to indicate that this is not a neologism. I certainly won't be edit warring over it, but the vandal has a point: it's really the burden of the article to establish the legitimacy and significance of the topic, and not the burden of the reader to disprove them. Please do offer some citations to help make this discussion stronger and to establish its legitimacy. Geogre 22:14, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
If the "vandal" has been blocked, why is protection in place? Were all procedures followed before protecting? (E.g. if the page is protected, the skeptics can't actually place it on VfD.) Again, I have no interest in this page's continued existence or deletion, but I must urge you, user:Curps, to play it by the book and remove the protection very soon. Geogre 22:16, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Other discussion has taken place at User_talk:Geogre#speedy_deleting_.22hoax.22_pages and User_talk:Curps#Hoaxes_.3F. See also Special:Contributions/141.154.244.54 and Special:Contributions/141.154.234.84. -- Curps 03:53, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Power violence is a very real genre of music, this article should definately not be deleted. Just because it is not a very common term doesn't not mean it doesn't exist or that the article is a hoax. All the bands given as examples in the article are real bands, I would know seeing as how I own recordings put out by them. Not only that, but most of these bands actually use the term "power violence" in lyrics, song and album titles, such as Fuck On The Beach's album "Power Violence Forever", The Ultimate Warriors' album "Power Violence Mayhem", Godstomper's "Saturday Morning Power Violence" and the Spazz songs "Mighty Morhpin Power Violence" and "Raisins Hate Fear and Power Violence". Firexstorm
What is wrong with Curps? He has not once cited an authority saying Power violence is a recognized genre. Yet he persists in his abusive reverts. 141.154.228.160 14:42, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Lots of phrases return thouands of hits on Google. What you need is citiations from third-party publications (not just after-the-fact references). Got it?
I adjusted the listing of bands to include a couple of bands that are generally considered very important "power violence" bands but do not have wiki articles. I added Man is the Bastard, Crossed Out, and Spazz. I also removed a couple that are not major artists. Those artists need to have wiki articles written about them, I would do it but I have limited time as I am moving soon. MITB is generally considered be the first true "power violence" band and supposedly coined the phrase (although I can't find a source on that right now). Spazz and Crossed Out were also very popular bands of the genre and need to be included. The inclusion of Crossed Out may be debatable, but it is very important to include Spazz. I removed The Locust and Quill. The Locust are generally not considered PV (despite having a split with MITB) and a lot of power violence fans would react negativly to the locust being defined as such. Quill are most likely considered power violence, but are not a particularly important or notable artist. Tombride 00:11, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I dont have a problem with it being listed if bands are labelled as this and whatnot, but out of curiousity (I dont think the article explained this very well), what makes power violence different from other forms of hardcore, noticibly different enough for it to warrant its own classification? - Razorhead, 30 March 2007
How is it noticibly different? 1) It lacks the metal influence of Crossover thrash, crust punk, grindcore and metalcore 2) It lacks the funk influence of funkcore. 3) It is much faster, and is vocals are much harsher than Hardcore punk, youth crew or skate punk. 4) It utilizes blast beats instead of d-beats, and is so diffrent from D-Beat punk. 5)It lacks melody, unlike Melodic hardcore punk
Do you have any sources to back you up on the above list? Whose criteria are these? 66.155.209.26 ( talk) 13:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah I call bullshit. idiots. 69.17.49.17 ( talk) 22:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Is it quite possibly the greatest song ever written? "Crossed Out, No Comment, Manpig, Capitalist Casualties, Man Is The Bastard, West Coast Power Violence LETS FUCKING GO!..."
good song
Please, do ass bands if they do not have a page on wikipedia. If you wish to create a page and then add them, you may do so Johan Rachmaninov ( talk) 03:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
loud, abrasive, extreme punk. sounds like the same thing to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.21.140 ( talk) 22:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Listen to the complete discographies of a couple Grind bands and then those of a few Powerviolence bands. Compare genres by way of the actual music and not descriptive terms. You will hear their distinctiveness then. 64.42.220.123 ( talk) 16:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I too don't understand the difference between them. I don't understand the difference between Despise You and Agoraphobic Nosebleed. They both use the blast beat and they both do short songs less than one minute. 20:28 3rd October 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.67.142 ( talk) 19:28, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
not really a discussion but i think we should list powerviolence bands here so people can check them out.by here i mean in this section not on the page because people get pissy about that. ...i dont really feel like thinking about this that much, but people should add to the list, i will frequently.
final draft despise you world eater daisycutter No comment —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.50.200.237 ( talk) 00:45, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Apathetic ronald macdonald, charles bronson, ACxDC, Duke Nukem forever, PLF(more grind but still awesome) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
173.50.200.237 (
talk)
03:51, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
The genre has become more and more rigid over the last several years. When it began it included bands that brought in more diverse influences. Case in point, Man is the Bastard and Crossed Out have similar vocals but MITB adds electronics and has several long, slow songs. I would include the bands Gasp, Suffering Luna, No Le$$, and Sleestak as examples of the genre's early stylistic diversity. Seanleys ( talk) 07:23, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Bands like Orchid are examples of emo violence (emo/screamo/power violence) and this small movement is cited on other pages, can it or is it worth incorperating into this article E.G. Legacy section? Jonjonjohny ( talk) 16:18, 19 June 2011 (UTC)