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The Royal Mail's code of practice is up for renewal. One of the points raised in the consultation is the acceptance that former postal county data is still frequently used in mailers. According to [1] the Royal Mail wants feedback on the idea of switching to a single, updated county field (instead of the current three). Although their preference is for "none". MRSC ( talk) 22:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Hard to work out what stage this is at, but the address management unit at Royal Mail presented Postcomm/PAF Board with five options [5] and the PAF board appear to have advised Royal Mail to cease to provide any county alias data from 2013. [6] Not sure if this is the final decision, as that will probably come from Postcomm. MRSC ( talk) 13:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
These all appear to come from the same source. MRSC ( talk) 05:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone know when the expression "postal county" was first used? I can find nothing in the OED, although the first citation of "post town" is from 1635. Kelly's Directories from the mid 19th century simply refer to "counties". I suspect that the expression came into use after 1888 when administrative counties began to differ from geographic counties, but it would be good to have confirmation.-- Mhockey ( talk) 18:35, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, but Geographic counties have never changed their boundaries - not within the last 100 years or so, anyway. The butchering changes made in 1974 created ceremonial 'counties' and administrative areas with similar names. Geographic county should either be used to refer to the original, historical counties or the term ceremonial county should be used for clarification. Lenzar ( talk) 11:38, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I just stumbled across this article while trying to solve a crossword clue. I must admit, as a reasonably well-educated Englishman, who reads at least one newspaper every day, I was unaware that the Royal Mail was proposing to abandon (or ignore?) county addresses and rely entirely on postcodes. If this is indeed the policy, it strikes me as impractical if not plain daft. The reason is simple: it is relatively easy to remember county names, but very difficult to remember dozens of postcodes which often bear little relation to the town or city concerned. I can just about remember my own postcode, but I can't remember my sister's, and I either have to look it up or just use the city name (which fortunately happens to be a large city and therefore easy to identify). And if someone wants to send a letter to Bromley or Richmond in outer London, I am sure for many people it will be 'Bromley, Kent' and 'Richmond, Surrey' until hell freezes over. 109.149.27.17 ( talk) 11:51, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Great work adding the map. It throws up some interesting things like Warwickshire and Northumberland being divided. Might have to revise some of the descriptions. Tyne & Wear for example looks nothing like the actual county. MRSC ( talk) 17:39, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
The article contains this bit in the lede:
2016 has come and gone -- can this sentence be updated to what the current status is, please? Either that the plan has been abandoned or carried out or that the timetable has been extended? -- pne (talk) 10:22, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Is "Derbys" actually an abbreviation of the county name? I work with an address system daily and in the times I've come across Derbyshire addresses the county name is always written in full whereas others are abbreviated. I also have an old Post Office book and the Royal Mail do not abbreviate Derbyshire, possibly because of confusion with the Derby post town (hence why Greater Manchester never came about). I've never come across it myself. Samuel J Walker ( talk) 23:14, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Surely Yorks is an extremely common abbreviation of Yorkshire - and hence N Yorks, S Yorks et simile? 82.45.172.71 ( talk) 11:30, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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The Royal Mail's code of practice is up for renewal. One of the points raised in the consultation is the acceptance that former postal county data is still frequently used in mailers. According to [1] the Royal Mail wants feedback on the idea of switching to a single, updated county field (instead of the current three). Although their preference is for "none". MRSC ( talk) 22:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Hard to work out what stage this is at, but the address management unit at Royal Mail presented Postcomm/PAF Board with five options [5] and the PAF board appear to have advised Royal Mail to cease to provide any county alias data from 2013. [6] Not sure if this is the final decision, as that will probably come from Postcomm. MRSC ( talk) 13:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
These all appear to come from the same source. MRSC ( talk) 05:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone know when the expression "postal county" was first used? I can find nothing in the OED, although the first citation of "post town" is from 1635. Kelly's Directories from the mid 19th century simply refer to "counties". I suspect that the expression came into use after 1888 when administrative counties began to differ from geographic counties, but it would be good to have confirmation.-- Mhockey ( talk) 18:35, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, but Geographic counties have never changed their boundaries - not within the last 100 years or so, anyway. The butchering changes made in 1974 created ceremonial 'counties' and administrative areas with similar names. Geographic county should either be used to refer to the original, historical counties or the term ceremonial county should be used for clarification. Lenzar ( talk) 11:38, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I just stumbled across this article while trying to solve a crossword clue. I must admit, as a reasonably well-educated Englishman, who reads at least one newspaper every day, I was unaware that the Royal Mail was proposing to abandon (or ignore?) county addresses and rely entirely on postcodes. If this is indeed the policy, it strikes me as impractical if not plain daft. The reason is simple: it is relatively easy to remember county names, but very difficult to remember dozens of postcodes which often bear little relation to the town or city concerned. I can just about remember my own postcode, but I can't remember my sister's, and I either have to look it up or just use the city name (which fortunately happens to be a large city and therefore easy to identify). And if someone wants to send a letter to Bromley or Richmond in outer London, I am sure for many people it will be 'Bromley, Kent' and 'Richmond, Surrey' until hell freezes over. 109.149.27.17 ( talk) 11:51, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Great work adding the map. It throws up some interesting things like Warwickshire and Northumberland being divided. Might have to revise some of the descriptions. Tyne & Wear for example looks nothing like the actual county. MRSC ( talk) 17:39, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
The article contains this bit in the lede:
2016 has come and gone -- can this sentence be updated to what the current status is, please? Either that the plan has been abandoned or carried out or that the timetable has been extended? -- pne (talk) 10:22, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Is "Derbys" actually an abbreviation of the county name? I work with an address system daily and in the times I've come across Derbyshire addresses the county name is always written in full whereas others are abbreviated. I also have an old Post Office book and the Royal Mail do not abbreviate Derbyshire, possibly because of confusion with the Derby post town (hence why Greater Manchester never came about). I've never come across it myself. Samuel J Walker ( talk) 23:14, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Surely Yorks is an extremely common abbreviation of Yorkshire - and hence N Yorks, S Yorks et simile? 82.45.172.71 ( talk) 11:30, 19 November 2023 (UTC)