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the categorization of bands and genealogy of the term "post-rock" seems to me arbitrary. in fact, the whole article should be restructured. we should pay more attention to the distinction of bands that...
1. were formative for the aesthetic definition of the term, but did not identify themselves with a particular genre (bark psychosis, tortoise, mogwai)
2. operated in the past and have been labeled as post-rock after the emergence of the term (talk talk etc.)
3. explicitly refer to a tradition of post-rock bands (this will destroy you, capsian, mono etc.)
one should distinguish between the attribution of the term by the media, the self-definition of bands and the actual aesthetic appearance. at the moment, these things are still mixed up. everyone who has spent some time dealing with this sort of music could object to every second sentence. most important: there is not "decline" of the genre, just further confusion about how to map a very vital and diverse musical landscape. just have a look on myspace. in the last 12 month literally hundreds of bands emerged, which describe themselves as post-rock. i think the term is more present than ever before.
i think the article should be restructured and rewritten. since i am a n00b on wikipedia, i'm not sure how to do that, without offending the original creators of this text. please help.
best, alexander — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.31.130.113 ( talk) 15:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
That The Vacant band listed has not even released an album and they already feel they must be in Wikipedia? Their article has been voted for deletion. Remove them from here also! - User:Dalegrett, April 10, 2005. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dalegrett ( talk • contribs) 19:21, 10 April 2005 (UTC)
Not that I pretend to know about too much about rock music (worse, I can't cite sources), but I read in some booklet about rock in Mexico that Jorge Reyes (a Mexican, of course, and not the Cuban this link refers to) coined the term "post rock" in the mid '80s. For me, his music is as new age as I bear to listen to, but it certainly fits the technical description about the use of the guitars.
Adding more as the Wikipedias expand: Jorge Reyes is in fact this musician, formerly of the band Chac Mool. Since Simons Reynolds' claims to coining the term in 1994 is now relegated to its proper status, maybe someone with more knowledge can have a closer look at post rock's prehistory?
klaus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.32.12.95 ( talk) 18:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I've made a reversion to an edit by an IP (see the history)--they included God is an Astronaut in a listing of bands that have used death metal-style vocals. Regardless of whether it is the case, the band doesn't seem to be notable in the genre -- and if it is, it needs to have an article written about it. This should carry over to other bands in the listing; are there any issues with this? Moonty 17:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Seeing as how they have become quite notable in this genre (in fact having more traffic on Facebook than many other mentioned bands), I think it is about time they got a mention on the page. -- 122.169.67.231 ( talk) 05:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
No clear editorial discretion between sources, including several amateur critics alongside otherwise reliable/professional ones.The source you mentioned doesn't have a listed author and may have been taken directly from Drowned in Sound? That's weird and definitely not something a reputable publisher would do, so the ALBUMS/SOURCES finding sounds about right.
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the categorization of bands and genealogy of the term "post-rock" seems to me arbitrary. in fact, the whole article should be restructured. we should pay more attention to the distinction of bands that...
1. were formative for the aesthetic definition of the term, but did not identify themselves with a particular genre (bark psychosis, tortoise, mogwai)
2. operated in the past and have been labeled as post-rock after the emergence of the term (talk talk etc.)
3. explicitly refer to a tradition of post-rock bands (this will destroy you, capsian, mono etc.)
one should distinguish between the attribution of the term by the media, the self-definition of bands and the actual aesthetic appearance. at the moment, these things are still mixed up. everyone who has spent some time dealing with this sort of music could object to every second sentence. most important: there is not "decline" of the genre, just further confusion about how to map a very vital and diverse musical landscape. just have a look on myspace. in the last 12 month literally hundreds of bands emerged, which describe themselves as post-rock. i think the term is more present than ever before.
i think the article should be restructured and rewritten. since i am a n00b on wikipedia, i'm not sure how to do that, without offending the original creators of this text. please help.
best, alexander — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.31.130.113 ( talk) 15:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
That The Vacant band listed has not even released an album and they already feel they must be in Wikipedia? Their article has been voted for deletion. Remove them from here also! - User:Dalegrett, April 10, 2005. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dalegrett ( talk • contribs) 19:21, 10 April 2005 (UTC)
Not that I pretend to know about too much about rock music (worse, I can't cite sources), but I read in some booklet about rock in Mexico that Jorge Reyes (a Mexican, of course, and not the Cuban this link refers to) coined the term "post rock" in the mid '80s. For me, his music is as new age as I bear to listen to, but it certainly fits the technical description about the use of the guitars.
Adding more as the Wikipedias expand: Jorge Reyes is in fact this musician, formerly of the band Chac Mool. Since Simons Reynolds' claims to coining the term in 1994 is now relegated to its proper status, maybe someone with more knowledge can have a closer look at post rock's prehistory?
klaus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.32.12.95 ( talk) 18:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I've made a reversion to an edit by an IP (see the history)--they included God is an Astronaut in a listing of bands that have used death metal-style vocals. Regardless of whether it is the case, the band doesn't seem to be notable in the genre -- and if it is, it needs to have an article written about it. This should carry over to other bands in the listing; are there any issues with this? Moonty 17:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Seeing as how they have become quite notable in this genre (in fact having more traffic on Facebook than many other mentioned bands), I think it is about time they got a mention on the page. -- 122.169.67.231 ( talk) 05:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
No clear editorial discretion between sources, including several amateur critics alongside otherwise reliable/professional ones.The source you mentioned doesn't have a listed author and may have been taken directly from Drowned in Sound? That's weird and definitely not something a reputable publisher would do, so the ALBUMS/SOURCES finding sounds about right.
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Post Rock (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 18:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)