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Going to wait awhile and see who can justify the use of the word "angular" in this article where it appears. Then I'm going to come back here and remove it because it's nonsense. Gabriel Arthur Petrie ( talk) 16:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
It seems most of this article was written well before the actual decline of the subgenre, before it was able to be viewed in hindsight. Furthermore, the article is conflating post-punk inspired bands with all indie rock of the early/mid 00s. Post-punk revival was never that broad. It was primarily defined by the "darker" influence of the progenitors of late 70s/early 80s post-punk and gothic rock bands as a launching point, specifically Joy Division. For example, Interpol received many comparisons to Joy Division due to Paul Banks' vocal style and guitar tones, while the White Stripes and The Strokes were considered more of a garage rock band. Bands like Editors (at least their early material) were considered in the darker vein of Joy Division-influenced bands as well, but bands like Bloc Party were not. The article also points to the decline around 2007, while completely ignoring the popular resurgence of post-punk revival bands from 2007-2009 such as The Bravery, She Wants Revenge, The Cinematics, White Lies, and so forth, who integrated darker tones and aesthetic styles from the original post-punk movement. The first sentence of the article describes alternate terms for the subgenre, yet each term seems to describe a separate musical style. Therefore there needs to be further divergence between these subgenres, with post-punk revival being described as more influenced by gothic rock, while the rest can be classified as subgenres of indie rock, garage rock, new wave, etc. 70.79.59.95 ( talk) 20:00, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
I have removed the "needs attention from an expert" tag as the article does explain very well the uses of the term, and that the term itself is nebulous, and critics disagree on it. What is true is that the article uses far too many examples. Long lists of bands is not helpful - what is preferable to mention is bands who were prominent in some way - see
Wikipedia:Meaningful examples in pop culture.
SilkTork (
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09:00, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
I don't think the second paragraph under the "2011–present: Resurgence" heading (about Black Midi, Squid etc.) belongs in this article. The scene it describes, while aspects of it are inspired by post-punk, spans a wide range of genres, the only thing that really groups those bands together is location and how different they all sound
[4]. Maybe a new article is needed?
TheGreedyBobcat (
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04:01, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
This article seems to cut far too wide a swathe through 2000s rock music to be meaningfully useful to someone not already versed in this era's rock music. Some of the timeline makes little sense, as many of the acts that the article places squarely within the genre (particularly The Black Keys and Yeah Yeah Yeahs) experienced their peak popularity during the genre's supposed "decline". Meanwhile, the most popular albums by the two bands credited as being responsible for this genre's decline came out during the supposed height of the genre. Several of the bands referenced in the article (to say nothing of the accompanying 'bands in the genre' article) really have no place in this genre whatsoever.
I am going to take some time, check some of these sources and gather a few more and then attempt to revise this with a radically narrower focus. Part of that would be to scrap the "decline" section and replace the "renewed interest" section with something like "influence of the genre" section to allow for some context without attempting to place dubiously related bands within the same 'genre'.
Nemo1342 (
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20:45, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Sure, the genre saw a revival, but is it really accurate to call the genre “revival” when it’s really the same genre as post punk? Like black midi isn’t a post punk revival band… it’s a post punk band. 2603:6010:11F0:3C0:E1C8:76F5:1BB2:6403 ( talk) 17:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
The current version of the arcticle isn't great, I think It would be much better to salvage what is good from the article and start a fresh the section on post-punk revival/garage rock revival on the indie rock page seems much better written and would in my opinon be a good starting point for this article (providing the sourced material is accurate). Obviously this is a big change and an agreement of mutiple users would seem necessary.
Also as a side note I think the section about the "Post-Brexit New Wave" would be better suited to the actual post-punk arcticle as it is a revival that genre rather than the post-punk influenced indie rock that post-punk revival is. OBLIVIUS ( talk) 17:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
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Going to wait awhile and see who can justify the use of the word "angular" in this article where it appears. Then I'm going to come back here and remove it because it's nonsense. Gabriel Arthur Petrie ( talk) 16:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
It seems most of this article was written well before the actual decline of the subgenre, before it was able to be viewed in hindsight. Furthermore, the article is conflating post-punk inspired bands with all indie rock of the early/mid 00s. Post-punk revival was never that broad. It was primarily defined by the "darker" influence of the progenitors of late 70s/early 80s post-punk and gothic rock bands as a launching point, specifically Joy Division. For example, Interpol received many comparisons to Joy Division due to Paul Banks' vocal style and guitar tones, while the White Stripes and The Strokes were considered more of a garage rock band. Bands like Editors (at least their early material) were considered in the darker vein of Joy Division-influenced bands as well, but bands like Bloc Party were not. The article also points to the decline around 2007, while completely ignoring the popular resurgence of post-punk revival bands from 2007-2009 such as The Bravery, She Wants Revenge, The Cinematics, White Lies, and so forth, who integrated darker tones and aesthetic styles from the original post-punk movement. The first sentence of the article describes alternate terms for the subgenre, yet each term seems to describe a separate musical style. Therefore there needs to be further divergence between these subgenres, with post-punk revival being described as more influenced by gothic rock, while the rest can be classified as subgenres of indie rock, garage rock, new wave, etc. 70.79.59.95 ( talk) 20:00, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
I have removed the "needs attention from an expert" tag as the article does explain very well the uses of the term, and that the term itself is nebulous, and critics disagree on it. What is true is that the article uses far too many examples. Long lists of bands is not helpful - what is preferable to mention is bands who were prominent in some way - see
Wikipedia:Meaningful examples in pop culture.
SilkTork (
talk)
09:00, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
I don't think the second paragraph under the "2011–present: Resurgence" heading (about Black Midi, Squid etc.) belongs in this article. The scene it describes, while aspects of it are inspired by post-punk, spans a wide range of genres, the only thing that really groups those bands together is location and how different they all sound
[4]. Maybe a new article is needed?
TheGreedyBobcat (
talk)
04:01, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
This article seems to cut far too wide a swathe through 2000s rock music to be meaningfully useful to someone not already versed in this era's rock music. Some of the timeline makes little sense, as many of the acts that the article places squarely within the genre (particularly The Black Keys and Yeah Yeah Yeahs) experienced their peak popularity during the genre's supposed "decline". Meanwhile, the most popular albums by the two bands credited as being responsible for this genre's decline came out during the supposed height of the genre. Several of the bands referenced in the article (to say nothing of the accompanying 'bands in the genre' article) really have no place in this genre whatsoever.
I am going to take some time, check some of these sources and gather a few more and then attempt to revise this with a radically narrower focus. Part of that would be to scrap the "decline" section and replace the "renewed interest" section with something like "influence of the genre" section to allow for some context without attempting to place dubiously related bands within the same 'genre'.
Nemo1342 (
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20:45, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Sure, the genre saw a revival, but is it really accurate to call the genre “revival” when it’s really the same genre as post punk? Like black midi isn’t a post punk revival band… it’s a post punk band. 2603:6010:11F0:3C0:E1C8:76F5:1BB2:6403 ( talk) 17:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
The current version of the arcticle isn't great, I think It would be much better to salvage what is good from the article and start a fresh the section on post-punk revival/garage rock revival on the indie rock page seems much better written and would in my opinon be a good starting point for this article (providing the sourced material is accurate). Obviously this is a big change and an agreement of mutiple users would seem necessary.
Also as a side note I think the section about the "Post-Brexit New Wave" would be better suited to the actual post-punk arcticle as it is a revival that genre rather than the post-punk influenced indie rock that post-punk revival is. OBLIVIUS ( talk) 17:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)