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Washington only lived two years after he finished his term of presidency, and other than taking sick and dying suddenly, not much happened, certainly not enough that warrants yet another article for Washington. This information is already covered in the Washington biography and would also work well in the Presidency of George Washington article. We are already asking the readers to hop around to numerous articles just to get a summary narrative on Washington. Now this. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 16:58, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Semmendinger: — The article seems to be growing and approaching proportions where it will be an in depth account. In this event, merging with the Washington main article will be uncalled for. We already have a comprehensive summary of this important chapter in the main Washington biography. My reservations originally centered around moving (most of) this important chapter from that biography to here. Since we are close to nominating that article for FA, removing most of the content from this important chapter in Washington's life to this article would invoke FA criteria issues, as FA's are supposed to cover the topic in context, leaving out no major details, regardless of the existence of other articles like this one. The Washington article, like many other president's articles, is long, and rightfully so, as it covers his early life, pre Revolution years, the Revolutionary war and his two terms as president, not to mention his retirement, final days and legacy. At the George Washington main article, like we have with the Ulysses S. Grant article, most of us have agreed not to compromise on good writing and good coverage just to satisfy a page length number, keeping the readable prose under 100k. Of course the readers are our top priority. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 19:26, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
We seem to have a Cooke 2000 that's not listed in the bibliography. I'm thinking it meant to say 2002 and was mixed up with the other 2000 reference text - hopefully someone with access to this book can clear that up. SEMMENDINGER ( talk) 23:17, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
In the article title I had put Post-Presidency of George Washington. It needs to be changed to Post-presidency of George Washington. I am not quite sure how to change the title. The P in Presidency needs to be lower case p to match other post-presidency articles. Thanks. Cmguy777 ( talk) 03:30, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The Sudden illness and death section could be expanded. A Medical Profile Of George Washington Rudolph Marx, M.d. August 1955 Volume 6 Issue 5 American Heritage This article goes into extensive detail. Washington's death was tortuous. Should this section be expanded ? Cmguy777 ( talk) 04:08, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The new title Post-presidency of George Washington has created a query error when finding out the viewership for the article. The old title Post-Presidency of George Washington is recognized by the query. Can this be fixed ? Cmguy777 ( talk) 21:33, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The article is starting anew guided by Chernow 2010 biography, carely crafting words and avoiding direct sentence structures or words from sources. I would hope editors would allow the article to proceed. More thought and integrity are going into the prose. No pasting of texts. Just being bold. Thanks. Cmguy777 ( talk) 04:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
It would help this article to have more editor involvment, input, or advise. I don't want this article to be a single editor article. Improving narration, context, and adding clarification would be helpful too. I am requesting more editor involvement for Post-presidency of George Washington article. Thanks. Cmguy777 ( talk) 15:35, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
The dream omen myth 1799 was a myth or just made up. Moved information here.
The scope of the article should be that portion of Washington's biography which begins after he leaves office and ends at his funeral, as per:
The selection of structures currently enumerated in later sections of this article belong elsewhere. A bullet-point list at George Washington#Memorials with details in Legacy of George Washington and/or List of memorials to George Washington . jnestorius( talk) 22:30, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
I removed two sections for a compromise. Cmguy777 ( talk) 16:32, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Maryland's Washington Monument, in what is now inside the Washington Monument State Park, four miles (6.4 km) east of Boonsboro, was the first monument to be completed to honor George Washington, America's first President under the U.S. Constitution. [1] The monument, a dry-laid stone tower, sits near the summit of South Mountain's Monument Knob, was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1972. [1] The park is managed by the Maryland Department of Natural Resources. [2] Town citizens began construction on the tower July 4, 1827, the tower stood at 15 feet (4.6 m) high on a base 54 feet (16 m) in circumference. Workmen later returned to complete the tower to a height of 30 feet (9.1 m). [3]
In 1853, Congress had commissioned the equestrian statue of Lieutenant General George Washington. It was created by artist Clark Mills, modeled and cast in bronze, at a cost of $50,000. The statue depicted Washington's victory at Princeton during the Revolutionary War. Mills wanted Washington to be seen personally leading his men, as he had done at Princeton, defeating the British forces. Mills believed that Washington leading his troops ensured the victory over the British. The statue depicts Washington at the battle scene, his horse is startled, while Washington looks sternly at his British foe. The statue was formally dedicated by President James Buchanan on February 20, 1860. The statue was placed at Washington Circle Park in Washington D.C. Mills' statue is said to be the most lifelike of Washington in existence. [4] One year, one month, and twenty-three days later, after its dedication, the nation that Washington created, and feared could break up over slavery, plunged into a devastating Civil War, between the North and South, with Virginia, Washington's home state, joined to the Confederacy.
@ Cmguy777: — sorry I didn't spot your responses until now.
jnestorius( talk) 20:07, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
I've requested a Wikipedia:Third opinion. jnestorius( talk) 08:06, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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Hi. I have never edited this article, nor am I an expert on the post presidency of George Washington. From what I have read, the edit dispute is on whether to include
Washington monument,
Mount Rushmore, and
Fred W. Smith National Library for the Study of George Washington in this article.
It is my expectation that an article about the post presidency of an individual would cover the period from their exiting office to their funeral and burial. Other information would be included in an article about the legacy of the individual. If I were looking for the information proposed to be added to this article, I would google "George Washington Legacy", or perhaps "George Washington memorials" but not "George Washington post presidency". There happens to be just such an article, Legacy_of_George_Washington, and a section Legacy_of_George_Washington#Monuments_and_memorials where the information could be placed. The Legacy article is less then 31KB, so there seems to be plenty of room to add these entries. I don't see why it would be difficult to merge the information in this article into the Legacy article. Certainly it seems to be just as easy as merging it into this one. There is a link to the legacy article from this page, so readers looking for such information can easily find it. -- Work permit ( talk) 14:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC) |
@ Cmguy777: The newly created section Embattled reputation is not very neutral and runs at length about personal mishaps with individuals like Thomas Paine, Jefferson and Monroe, not about Washington's overall reputation. This section is contrasted by the Legacy section in the main (and other) article(s) and doesn't touch on the abundance of good points involving Washington's reputation. This needs to be remedied or the section might get tagged for lack of NPOV. The section is about Washington's reputation, not so much about his misunderstandings with a few selected individuals. e.g.Washington's Farewell Address was praised by much of the world, let alone by Americans, even to this day, yet the only thing said about the Address in the section was that it was "the loathings of a sick mind", an opinion of one disgruntled individual. Section is way out of balance, while the selected quotes pose serious due weight issues. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 01:27, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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Washington only lived two years after he finished his term of presidency, and other than taking sick and dying suddenly, not much happened, certainly not enough that warrants yet another article for Washington. This information is already covered in the Washington biography and would also work well in the Presidency of George Washington article. We are already asking the readers to hop around to numerous articles just to get a summary narrative on Washington. Now this. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 16:58, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Semmendinger: — The article seems to be growing and approaching proportions where it will be an in depth account. In this event, merging with the Washington main article will be uncalled for. We already have a comprehensive summary of this important chapter in the main Washington biography. My reservations originally centered around moving (most of) this important chapter from that biography to here. Since we are close to nominating that article for FA, removing most of the content from this important chapter in Washington's life to this article would invoke FA criteria issues, as FA's are supposed to cover the topic in context, leaving out no major details, regardless of the existence of other articles like this one. The Washington article, like many other president's articles, is long, and rightfully so, as it covers his early life, pre Revolution years, the Revolutionary war and his two terms as president, not to mention his retirement, final days and legacy. At the George Washington main article, like we have with the Ulysses S. Grant article, most of us have agreed not to compromise on good writing and good coverage just to satisfy a page length number, keeping the readable prose under 100k. Of course the readers are our top priority. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 19:26, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
We seem to have a Cooke 2000 that's not listed in the bibliography. I'm thinking it meant to say 2002 and was mixed up with the other 2000 reference text - hopefully someone with access to this book can clear that up. SEMMENDINGER ( talk) 23:17, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
In the article title I had put Post-Presidency of George Washington. It needs to be changed to Post-presidency of George Washington. I am not quite sure how to change the title. The P in Presidency needs to be lower case p to match other post-presidency articles. Thanks. Cmguy777 ( talk) 03:30, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The Sudden illness and death section could be expanded. A Medical Profile Of George Washington Rudolph Marx, M.d. August 1955 Volume 6 Issue 5 American Heritage This article goes into extensive detail. Washington's death was tortuous. Should this section be expanded ? Cmguy777 ( talk) 04:08, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The new title Post-presidency of George Washington has created a query error when finding out the viewership for the article. The old title Post-Presidency of George Washington is recognized by the query. Can this be fixed ? Cmguy777 ( talk) 21:33, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The article is starting anew guided by Chernow 2010 biography, carely crafting words and avoiding direct sentence structures or words from sources. I would hope editors would allow the article to proceed. More thought and integrity are going into the prose. No pasting of texts. Just being bold. Thanks. Cmguy777 ( talk) 04:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
It would help this article to have more editor involvment, input, or advise. I don't want this article to be a single editor article. Improving narration, context, and adding clarification would be helpful too. I am requesting more editor involvement for Post-presidency of George Washington article. Thanks. Cmguy777 ( talk) 15:35, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
The dream omen myth 1799 was a myth or just made up. Moved information here.
The scope of the article should be that portion of Washington's biography which begins after he leaves office and ends at his funeral, as per:
The selection of structures currently enumerated in later sections of this article belong elsewhere. A bullet-point list at George Washington#Memorials with details in Legacy of George Washington and/or List of memorials to George Washington . jnestorius( talk) 22:30, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
I removed two sections for a compromise. Cmguy777 ( talk) 16:32, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Maryland's Washington Monument, in what is now inside the Washington Monument State Park, four miles (6.4 km) east of Boonsboro, was the first monument to be completed to honor George Washington, America's first President under the U.S. Constitution. [1] The monument, a dry-laid stone tower, sits near the summit of South Mountain's Monument Knob, was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1972. [1] The park is managed by the Maryland Department of Natural Resources. [2] Town citizens began construction on the tower July 4, 1827, the tower stood at 15 feet (4.6 m) high on a base 54 feet (16 m) in circumference. Workmen later returned to complete the tower to a height of 30 feet (9.1 m). [3]
In 1853, Congress had commissioned the equestrian statue of Lieutenant General George Washington. It was created by artist Clark Mills, modeled and cast in bronze, at a cost of $50,000. The statue depicted Washington's victory at Princeton during the Revolutionary War. Mills wanted Washington to be seen personally leading his men, as he had done at Princeton, defeating the British forces. Mills believed that Washington leading his troops ensured the victory over the British. The statue depicts Washington at the battle scene, his horse is startled, while Washington looks sternly at his British foe. The statue was formally dedicated by President James Buchanan on February 20, 1860. The statue was placed at Washington Circle Park in Washington D.C. Mills' statue is said to be the most lifelike of Washington in existence. [4] One year, one month, and twenty-three days later, after its dedication, the nation that Washington created, and feared could break up over slavery, plunged into a devastating Civil War, between the North and South, with Virginia, Washington's home state, joined to the Confederacy.
@ Cmguy777: — sorry I didn't spot your responses until now.
jnestorius( talk) 20:07, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
I've requested a Wikipedia:Third opinion. jnestorius( talk) 08:06, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
![]() |
Hi. I have never edited this article, nor am I an expert on the post presidency of George Washington. From what I have read, the edit dispute is on whether to include
Washington monument,
Mount Rushmore, and
Fred W. Smith National Library for the Study of George Washington in this article.
It is my expectation that an article about the post presidency of an individual would cover the period from their exiting office to their funeral and burial. Other information would be included in an article about the legacy of the individual. If I were looking for the information proposed to be added to this article, I would google "George Washington Legacy", or perhaps "George Washington memorials" but not "George Washington post presidency". There happens to be just such an article, Legacy_of_George_Washington, and a section Legacy_of_George_Washington#Monuments_and_memorials where the information could be placed. The Legacy article is less then 31KB, so there seems to be plenty of room to add these entries. I don't see why it would be difficult to merge the information in this article into the Legacy article. Certainly it seems to be just as easy as merging it into this one. There is a link to the legacy article from this page, so readers looking for such information can easily find it. -- Work permit ( talk) 14:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC) |
@ Cmguy777: The newly created section Embattled reputation is not very neutral and runs at length about personal mishaps with individuals like Thomas Paine, Jefferson and Monroe, not about Washington's overall reputation. This section is contrasted by the Legacy section in the main (and other) article(s) and doesn't touch on the abundance of good points involving Washington's reputation. This needs to be remedied or the section might get tagged for lack of NPOV. The section is about Washington's reputation, not so much about his misunderstandings with a few selected individuals. e.g.Washington's Farewell Address was praised by much of the world, let alone by Americans, even to this day, yet the only thing said about the Address in the section was that it was "the loathings of a sick mind", an opinion of one disgruntled individual. Section is way out of balance, while the selected quotes pose serious due weight issues. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 01:27, 27 July 2019 (UTC)