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...seems to be classified as neo-impressionist, I wonder if he belongs in the list on pos-impressionists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Odinlake ( talk • contribs) 09:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
The Oxford Dictionary cites the following usages in order:
Which of these — if either — is attributable to Fry? Or does Fry's usage pre-date these? Stumps 14:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
my suggestion : Stanley Spencer [2]as external link (?)
Sorry, Friends, this entry was already in a much better state:
Therefore, please do discuss alterations before changing the main page. It's a mess to re-establish reliable information already supplied! -- rpd ( talk) 23:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Important for this page is a balanced view, where information supplied in text may be as helpful for the user as an image - so far I agree. But importance cannot be claimed from a private POV: we have to consider the context. Rewald's 'Post-Impressionism' has the most important names already on the table of contents: Van Gogh, Seurat, Redon, Gauguin, and Bernard, and in his preface, Rewald added Toulouse-Lautrec, Henri Rousseau, Cézanne, the Nabis, the Fauves and young Picasso. Little of this information is at present supplied to the reader, and WP has more possibilities than a book: A simple link, and the job is done. - Therefore, I see no need to have
Finally, a remark on artists to be included in the Post-Impressionism gallery:
Some input, I hope. Proceed according to your own scope, and be encouraged to add text to this page: It urgently needs rework. -- rpd ( talk) 01:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
In Rewald's chapter II Seurat and his friends the issue of Neo-Impressionism is discussed and is included at great length in Rewald's index's - see III Neo-Impressionism pp.562-567. However logic and common sense tells us that while Neo-Impressionism clearly characterizes a particular type of Post-Impressionism those artists like Paul Signac Theo van Rysselberghe, and Henri Edmond Cross clearly fall under the larger Post-Impressionism umbrella. Paul Cezanne, Vincent van Gogh, Paul Gauguin and Georges Seurat have come to be regarded as the major Post-Impressionist figures. However Cezanne begins as an addendum of Rewald's as do the Nabis, Lautrec, Fauvism, young Picasso, and its our loss that he didn't publish Volume II. I added the portrait of Bernard by Lautrec because he - Bernard is mentioned in the text, as is Lautrec. As Rewald implies - so might Fauvism and young Picasso, be included here but time and common sense indicates those figures (Matisse and Picasso) refer to and represent Modernism and Modern Art in the 20th century, and are better placed elsewhere. Modernist ( talk) 13:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
The main problem is the current state of the article: The definition needs to be reconsidered in the context of recent publications on French and German Expressionism, and the next chapter should be a short outline of the relations between the concurring movements and main artists. But all in all, I think we should keep in mind the present state of knowledge. Modernism is now seen as the central force since the French revolution, with filiations in the arts from Classicism and Romanticism onwards to Impressionism and Post-Impressionism. The conflict we are discussing now, derives from the traditional use of the term "modern" and this more or less recent shift in its meaning. I absolutely agree that this article cannot be considered completed, before these relations are not transparent to the reader. -- rpd ( talk) 20:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes I see here [3] your creation of the gallery at Neo-Impressionism. I agree that the Nabis article would benefit from an addition which I will include; however I am of the opinion (see above) that Post-Impressionism - the larger rubric benefits everyone by including images of the major figures as well as Les Nabis, the Symbolists, the Neo-Impressionists and if a good one presents itself - an Emile Bernard synthetist painting of 1888/1889, so as to define the scope of pre-modernist painting that grew out of Impressionism - with pictures and text. Modernist ( talk) 13:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Back to earth, I propose to delete and forget this edit: it's a bit off road, in this context. -- rpd ( talk) 14:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Tanz auf dem Vulkan is the title of at least two German films (see IMDB), both featuring conditions and ways to the outburst of violence. In a metaphorical way, "dancing on a vulcan" has recently been used to describe the precarious situation between the wars. -- rpd ( talk) 15:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Post-Impressionism is very important in France's artistic history. I hope we agree to delete this phrase, too. It makes me sick to see it on the screen.-- rpd ( talk) 16:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
An interesting snippet [5] that says Frank Rutter possibly used it first in print. Was Fry already using it in conversation or planning for his show, I wonder? Ty 05:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
the main meaning of postimpressionism is that: Post-impressionism extended impressionism while rejecting its limitations —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.198.151 ( talk) 06:16, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I have removed people listed below from the "see also" section. They should be in the article if they are relevant:
I've generally seen it as post-impressionism, as with other art styles. 2A00:23C5:FE0C:2100:B08F:50E3:9494:1A46 ( talk) 09:34, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
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...seems to be classified as neo-impressionist, I wonder if he belongs in the list on pos-impressionists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Odinlake ( talk • contribs) 09:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
The Oxford Dictionary cites the following usages in order:
Which of these — if either — is attributable to Fry? Or does Fry's usage pre-date these? Stumps 14:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
my suggestion : Stanley Spencer [2]as external link (?)
Sorry, Friends, this entry was already in a much better state:
Therefore, please do discuss alterations before changing the main page. It's a mess to re-establish reliable information already supplied! -- rpd ( talk) 23:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Important for this page is a balanced view, where information supplied in text may be as helpful for the user as an image - so far I agree. But importance cannot be claimed from a private POV: we have to consider the context. Rewald's 'Post-Impressionism' has the most important names already on the table of contents: Van Gogh, Seurat, Redon, Gauguin, and Bernard, and in his preface, Rewald added Toulouse-Lautrec, Henri Rousseau, Cézanne, the Nabis, the Fauves and young Picasso. Little of this information is at present supplied to the reader, and WP has more possibilities than a book: A simple link, and the job is done. - Therefore, I see no need to have
Finally, a remark on artists to be included in the Post-Impressionism gallery:
Some input, I hope. Proceed according to your own scope, and be encouraged to add text to this page: It urgently needs rework. -- rpd ( talk) 01:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
In Rewald's chapter II Seurat and his friends the issue of Neo-Impressionism is discussed and is included at great length in Rewald's index's - see III Neo-Impressionism pp.562-567. However logic and common sense tells us that while Neo-Impressionism clearly characterizes a particular type of Post-Impressionism those artists like Paul Signac Theo van Rysselberghe, and Henri Edmond Cross clearly fall under the larger Post-Impressionism umbrella. Paul Cezanne, Vincent van Gogh, Paul Gauguin and Georges Seurat have come to be regarded as the major Post-Impressionist figures. However Cezanne begins as an addendum of Rewald's as do the Nabis, Lautrec, Fauvism, young Picasso, and its our loss that he didn't publish Volume II. I added the portrait of Bernard by Lautrec because he - Bernard is mentioned in the text, as is Lautrec. As Rewald implies - so might Fauvism and young Picasso, be included here but time and common sense indicates those figures (Matisse and Picasso) refer to and represent Modernism and Modern Art in the 20th century, and are better placed elsewhere. Modernist ( talk) 13:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
The main problem is the current state of the article: The definition needs to be reconsidered in the context of recent publications on French and German Expressionism, and the next chapter should be a short outline of the relations between the concurring movements and main artists. But all in all, I think we should keep in mind the present state of knowledge. Modernism is now seen as the central force since the French revolution, with filiations in the arts from Classicism and Romanticism onwards to Impressionism and Post-Impressionism. The conflict we are discussing now, derives from the traditional use of the term "modern" and this more or less recent shift in its meaning. I absolutely agree that this article cannot be considered completed, before these relations are not transparent to the reader. -- rpd ( talk) 20:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes I see here [3] your creation of the gallery at Neo-Impressionism. I agree that the Nabis article would benefit from an addition which I will include; however I am of the opinion (see above) that Post-Impressionism - the larger rubric benefits everyone by including images of the major figures as well as Les Nabis, the Symbolists, the Neo-Impressionists and if a good one presents itself - an Emile Bernard synthetist painting of 1888/1889, so as to define the scope of pre-modernist painting that grew out of Impressionism - with pictures and text. Modernist ( talk) 13:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Back to earth, I propose to delete and forget this edit: it's a bit off road, in this context. -- rpd ( talk) 14:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Tanz auf dem Vulkan is the title of at least two German films (see IMDB), both featuring conditions and ways to the outburst of violence. In a metaphorical way, "dancing on a vulcan" has recently been used to describe the precarious situation between the wars. -- rpd ( talk) 15:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Post-Impressionism is very important in France's artistic history. I hope we agree to delete this phrase, too. It makes me sick to see it on the screen.-- rpd ( talk) 16:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
An interesting snippet [5] that says Frank Rutter possibly used it first in print. Was Fry already using it in conversation or planning for his show, I wonder? Ty 05:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
the main meaning of postimpressionism is that: Post-impressionism extended impressionism while rejecting its limitations —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.198.151 ( talk) 06:16, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I have removed people listed below from the "see also" section. They should be in the article if they are relevant:
I've generally seen it as post-impressionism, as with other art styles. 2A00:23C5:FE0C:2100:B08F:50E3:9494:1A46 ( talk) 09:34, 20 May 2020 (UTC)