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I'm tempted to put "The residents of Puebla, an even merer 40 km east of the volcano", but I probably won't. (Not that bold.)-- Lavintzin 23:36, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Joecashfire inserted the name "Don Goyo" along with "El Popo" as a common name for Popocatépetl. A quick Google confirms that some (reportedly Nahuatl speakers) of those who live near the volcano call it "Don Goyo" (= Gregorio). But I question (1) whether that is an important enough fact to include right at the beginning of the article, and (very relatedly) (2) whether it is accurate to say that the volcano is "commonly referred to" by that name. I have lived in Mexico for going on 36 years, and much of that time have lived within sight of the volcano, and I speak Nahuatl and have spoken with people who live on the slopes of the volcano, and I had never heard the name before.
I'd suggest moving the reference to a later part of the article, and reporting it somewhat differently.
-- Lavintzin 02:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I, live in la isla pitufo and I personally know that Don Goyo is far more popular than "El Popo", I say Keep. Joecashfire 05:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I just wanted to drop in to point out that the legends mentioned here are similar in form to the oral creation stories attributed to Mount Hood, Mount Adams, and Mt. St. Helens (the first article linked is the only one which contains the citation). I'll mention it here but not add it to the live article since I grew up seeing all three of those mountains from my bedroom window, but have only that close to Popocatepetl once in my life and never laid eyes on it (overcast weather that day). It's interesting, at any rate.
Persist1 08:16, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Madman2001 (Talk) (removed back image link, also removed map since it is visible at Trans-Mexican volcanic belt)
Lavintzin, yes, I should have said "removed bad image link". My mistake.
As far as the map goes, it doesn't make a lot of difference to me. I thought that the article was a little crowded, and that seemed the least interesting of the images and was available elsewhere.
By all means, re-insert it. Madman 16:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Teptl in Nahuatl actually means hill not mountain.
Taken from: http://www.mrs.umn.edu/academic/history/Nahuatl/engl-nah.txt—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.197.133.100 ( talk • contribs)
How is it pronounced in nahuatl, [popo:katepe:tɬ]? Does it have a stress on the penult like in Spanish?--
87.162.6.147 (
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18:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
That link is dead. In modern Nahuatl "tepec" is hill and "tepetl" is mountain. For example Chapultepec is grasshopper hill and Citlaltepetl is peak of the star. In Nahuatl the emphasis is invariably on the second to the last syllable. Senor Cuete ( talk) 13:32, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Senor Cuete
·ʍaunus· snunɐw· 13:44, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Somebody (189.135.53.57, whoever that is) keeps reverting "White Woman" to "Sleeping Woman" in this and the Ixtaccíhuatl article. The context is the (supposed) "Aztec" legend. Ixtaccíhuatl does not mean "Sleeping Woman" but does mean "White Woman". If the mountain is now locally called the "Sleeping Woman" in Spanish that's cool and might be noted elsewhere, but it is irrelevant to the legend. I'd go bail it is not called "Sleeping Woman" in local Nahuatl, unless by backtranslation from Spanish. (Kochtoksiwatl? Kochtikasowatl? Never heard of such a thing.)
Please leave it be, 189.135.whoever (and you might register, while you're at it.)
-- Lavintzin 23:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
The article makes a mere mention of the monasteries on the slope of Popocatépetl. Being an integral part of the mountainous landscape and history of human presence in the land (not to mention being proclaimed a World Heritage Site), it will certainly be an improvement to devote a section to this religious ensemble. Thanks. Joey80 14:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Could anybody please help me with the links? I'm making an article on the World Heritage Site and I really need help Thanks. All I need is to get the links fixed.
Please see Talk:Popocatépetl and Iztaccíhuatl#Better reference(s). -- ℜob C. alias ⒶⓁⒶⓇⓄⒷ 16:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
What precisely is your interest in misinforming the public about glaciers on the mountain when there hasn't been any for the last five years? The mountain used to be snowcapped year round - now it only has snow periodically in the summer and winter seasons as everybody who lives within a 100 kilometer radius of the volcano can tell you. Sources show that 53% of the glaciers were gone in 2001 and the melting has continued at a rapid pace for the last ten years - so why is it so unbelieavable to you that the mountain no longer has any glaciers? If you insist that I must show a source that describes complete extinction at this point then at the very least I will remove the information about glaciers altogether because it is factually incorrect. Then the burden will be on you to provide information that the mountain still has a glacier. ·ʍaunus· snunɐw· 12:39, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, here's a source that says "The year 2000 is considered the date for the extinction of the glaciers based on field observations." Here's a second: "The extinction of glaciers of Popocatépetl volcano was eruption-forced." And in fact one of the sources cited in the article [1] says that "Hence, the glaciers of Popocatépetl volcano became extinct in late year 2000." Yet this citation is attached to a sentence that reads "Over the last decade the glaciers have greatly decreased in size, partly due to increased volcanic activity in the period, and partly due to warmer temperatures"—the sentence ought to read "By 2000, the glaciers had become extinct, partly due to warmer temperatures, but largely due to increased volcanic activity." As the text stands now, though, the references do not support the sentence, and an earlier bit ("The residents of the city of Puebla, 40 km (25 mi) east of the volcano, can view the snowy and glacier-clad mountain almost all year") is also wrong, because the mountain is no longer glacier-clad. --Akhilleus ( talk) 03:02, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
The news website is reporting it is erupting today ?? Or is this recycled old news ? Eregli bob ( talk) 08:35, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
The only source seems to be
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/637110/MILLIONS-at-risk-as-Mt-Popocat-petl-volcano-threatens-to-blow which is exceptionally tabloid.
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Jackvinson leaves a dangling prepositional phrase. — Preceding
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64.125.187.242 (
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This article includes a description of the lava as Andesite, but links to Basaltic Andesite instead. Which is a correct description of the type of lava? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.35.36.132 ( talk) 20:08, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
So we get one line about all 500 years of recorded history, including whole five words about a major 20th century eruption, and then 12 paragraphs covering everything from an eruption to an ash spurt in the last 20 years. Is ash coating snow or six airlines cancelling flights really of such historic importance? 78.0.216.219 ( talk) 12:16, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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I'm tempted to put "The residents of Puebla, an even merer 40 km east of the volcano", but I probably won't. (Not that bold.)-- Lavintzin 23:36, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Joecashfire inserted the name "Don Goyo" along with "El Popo" as a common name for Popocatépetl. A quick Google confirms that some (reportedly Nahuatl speakers) of those who live near the volcano call it "Don Goyo" (= Gregorio). But I question (1) whether that is an important enough fact to include right at the beginning of the article, and (very relatedly) (2) whether it is accurate to say that the volcano is "commonly referred to" by that name. I have lived in Mexico for going on 36 years, and much of that time have lived within sight of the volcano, and I speak Nahuatl and have spoken with people who live on the slopes of the volcano, and I had never heard the name before.
I'd suggest moving the reference to a later part of the article, and reporting it somewhat differently.
-- Lavintzin 02:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I, live in la isla pitufo and I personally know that Don Goyo is far more popular than "El Popo", I say Keep. Joecashfire 05:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I just wanted to drop in to point out that the legends mentioned here are similar in form to the oral creation stories attributed to Mount Hood, Mount Adams, and Mt. St. Helens (the first article linked is the only one which contains the citation). I'll mention it here but not add it to the live article since I grew up seeing all three of those mountains from my bedroom window, but have only that close to Popocatepetl once in my life and never laid eyes on it (overcast weather that day). It's interesting, at any rate.
Persist1 08:16, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Madman2001 (Talk) (removed back image link, also removed map since it is visible at Trans-Mexican volcanic belt)
Lavintzin, yes, I should have said "removed bad image link". My mistake.
As far as the map goes, it doesn't make a lot of difference to me. I thought that the article was a little crowded, and that seemed the least interesting of the images and was available elsewhere.
By all means, re-insert it. Madman 16:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Teptl in Nahuatl actually means hill not mountain.
Taken from: http://www.mrs.umn.edu/academic/history/Nahuatl/engl-nah.txt—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.197.133.100 ( talk • contribs)
How is it pronounced in nahuatl, [popo:katepe:tɬ]? Does it have a stress on the penult like in Spanish?--
87.162.6.147 (
talk)
18:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
That link is dead. In modern Nahuatl "tepec" is hill and "tepetl" is mountain. For example Chapultepec is grasshopper hill and Citlaltepetl is peak of the star. In Nahuatl the emphasis is invariably on the second to the last syllable. Senor Cuete ( talk) 13:32, 21 April 2012 (UTC)Senor Cuete
·ʍaunus· snunɐw· 13:44, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Somebody (189.135.53.57, whoever that is) keeps reverting "White Woman" to "Sleeping Woman" in this and the Ixtaccíhuatl article. The context is the (supposed) "Aztec" legend. Ixtaccíhuatl does not mean "Sleeping Woman" but does mean "White Woman". If the mountain is now locally called the "Sleeping Woman" in Spanish that's cool and might be noted elsewhere, but it is irrelevant to the legend. I'd go bail it is not called "Sleeping Woman" in local Nahuatl, unless by backtranslation from Spanish. (Kochtoksiwatl? Kochtikasowatl? Never heard of such a thing.)
Please leave it be, 189.135.whoever (and you might register, while you're at it.)
-- Lavintzin 23:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
The article makes a mere mention of the monasteries on the slope of Popocatépetl. Being an integral part of the mountainous landscape and history of human presence in the land (not to mention being proclaimed a World Heritage Site), it will certainly be an improvement to devote a section to this religious ensemble. Thanks. Joey80 14:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Could anybody please help me with the links? I'm making an article on the World Heritage Site and I really need help Thanks. All I need is to get the links fixed.
Please see Talk:Popocatépetl and Iztaccíhuatl#Better reference(s). -- ℜob C. alias ⒶⓁⒶⓇⓄⒷ 16:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
What precisely is your interest in misinforming the public about glaciers on the mountain when there hasn't been any for the last five years? The mountain used to be snowcapped year round - now it only has snow periodically in the summer and winter seasons as everybody who lives within a 100 kilometer radius of the volcano can tell you. Sources show that 53% of the glaciers were gone in 2001 and the melting has continued at a rapid pace for the last ten years - so why is it so unbelieavable to you that the mountain no longer has any glaciers? If you insist that I must show a source that describes complete extinction at this point then at the very least I will remove the information about glaciers altogether because it is factually incorrect. Then the burden will be on you to provide information that the mountain still has a glacier. ·ʍaunus· snunɐw· 12:39, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Well, here's a source that says "The year 2000 is considered the date for the extinction of the glaciers based on field observations." Here's a second: "The extinction of glaciers of Popocatépetl volcano was eruption-forced." And in fact one of the sources cited in the article [1] says that "Hence, the glaciers of Popocatépetl volcano became extinct in late year 2000." Yet this citation is attached to a sentence that reads "Over the last decade the glaciers have greatly decreased in size, partly due to increased volcanic activity in the period, and partly due to warmer temperatures"—the sentence ought to read "By 2000, the glaciers had become extinct, partly due to warmer temperatures, but largely due to increased volcanic activity." As the text stands now, though, the references do not support the sentence, and an earlier bit ("The residents of the city of Puebla, 40 km (25 mi) east of the volcano, can view the snowy and glacier-clad mountain almost all year") is also wrong, because the mountain is no longer glacier-clad. --Akhilleus ( talk) 03:02, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
The news website is reporting it is erupting today ?? Or is this recycled old news ? Eregli bob ( talk) 08:35, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
The only source seems to be
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/637110/MILLIONS-at-risk-as-Mt-Popocat-petl-volcano-threatens-to-blow which is exceptionally tabloid.
The 5 April 2016
by
Jackvinson leaves a dangling prepositional phrase. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
64.125.187.242 (
talk)
16:51, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
This article includes a description of the lava as Andesite, but links to Basaltic Andesite instead. Which is a correct description of the type of lava? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.35.36.132 ( talk) 20:08, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
So we get one line about all 500 years of recorded history, including whole five words about a major 20th century eruption, and then 12 paragraphs covering everything from an eruption to an ash spurt in the last 20 years. Is ash coating snow or six airlines cancelling flights really of such historic importance? 78.0.216.219 ( talk) 12:16, 19 June 2016 (UTC)