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It would be nice to see even ONE SINGLE CITATION on this article. All I hear is, "Someone said..." over and over again.
Before I changed it, our article said that he was born in 938 and became Pope when he was 16. Our source is obviously the 1911 edition of Britannica. However the more recent edition of Britannica claim that he was born in 937, and became Pope when he was 18 years old. The Columbia Encyclopedia and MSN Encarta also support 937 as the year of birth. The online source Catholic-forum.com also support 937 as YOB. The Catholic Encyclopedia says "Date of birth unknown". I can't find other sources than the 1911 Britannica, that support the claim that he was 16 years old when he became Pope/938 as YOB. So I changed it for now. I also removed: "Some legends say he was actually 18 when he died, but if that were the case, he would have only been 11 at the time he became pope." It was added by an anon user: [1] and I can't find anything that support the claim, so until a source is provided, I think it should be removed. Stereotek 06:58, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Because it is my favorite .sig line ever, I have to include this (found on soc.hist.what-if )
"There is furthermore a sentence in your letter more fitting for a stupid boy than a bishop. You excommunicated us all if we appointed another bishop to the see of Rome, and yet gave us power to celebrate the mass and ordain clerical functionaries. You said: 'You have no power to ordain no one.' We always thought, or rather believed, that two negatives make an affirmative, if your authority did not weaken the verdict of the authors of old."
--Excerpt from a letter in which a synod of fifty Italian and German bishops came together in 963 to depose
Pope John XII, citing sacrilege, simony, perjury, murder, adultery, incest, and the use of a double negative.
Kd5mdk 20:12, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
John XII, was confirmed by many historians as worst Pope ever. He was killed in bedroom when caught with someones wife. -- 90.157.231.38 ( talk) 12:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Or had a stroke while with another man's wife http://time.com/4633580/young-pope-history/ Legacypac ( talk) 21:03, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Pope John XII was a LGBT Roman Catholic pope. That should be sorted in catsegory.
-- 188.96.230.248 ( talk) 20:52, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
John XII ever when He held Mass without Communion. He also invoke Jupiter, Saturnus, and Demons showed him as Antipope. And He wasn't a Pope.
This principle is most certain. The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope, as Cajetan himself admits (ib. c. 26). The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member; now he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian (lib. 4, epist. 2), St. Athanasius (Scr. 2 cont. Arian.), St. Augustine (lib. de great. Christ. cap. 20), St. Jerome (contra Lucifer.) and others; therefore the manifest heretic cannot be Pope. To this Cajetan responds (in Apol. pro tract. praedicto cap. 25 et in ipso tract. cap. 22) that the heretic is not a Christian “simpliciter” [i.e. without qualification, or absolutely], but is one “secundum quid” [i.e. in a qualified or relative sense]. For, granted that two things constitute the Christian — the faith and the [baptismal] character — the heretic, having lost the faith, is still in some way united to the Church and is capable of jurisdiction; therefore, he is also Pope, but ought to be removed, since he is disposed, with ultimate disposition, to cease to be Pope: as the man who is still not dead but is “in extremis” [at the point of death].
If he invoked Jupiter, Venus and other demons. And then I cite again, " They even said he did not celebrate Matins at the canonical hours nor did he make the sign of the cross. "
That Action is Apostasy on Catholic View. So, If many Roman Catholics who knew about his life at later life, Maybe Pope John XII would become an Antipope in his life because his apostasy. 139.192.161.70 ( talk) 23:42, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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It would be nice to see even ONE SINGLE CITATION on this article. All I hear is, "Someone said..." over and over again.
Before I changed it, our article said that he was born in 938 and became Pope when he was 16. Our source is obviously the 1911 edition of Britannica. However the more recent edition of Britannica claim that he was born in 937, and became Pope when he was 18 years old. The Columbia Encyclopedia and MSN Encarta also support 937 as the year of birth. The online source Catholic-forum.com also support 937 as YOB. The Catholic Encyclopedia says "Date of birth unknown". I can't find other sources than the 1911 Britannica, that support the claim that he was 16 years old when he became Pope/938 as YOB. So I changed it for now. I also removed: "Some legends say he was actually 18 when he died, but if that were the case, he would have only been 11 at the time he became pope." It was added by an anon user: [1] and I can't find anything that support the claim, so until a source is provided, I think it should be removed. Stereotek 06:58, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Because it is my favorite .sig line ever, I have to include this (found on soc.hist.what-if )
"There is furthermore a sentence in your letter more fitting for a stupid boy than a bishop. You excommunicated us all if we appointed another bishop to the see of Rome, and yet gave us power to celebrate the mass and ordain clerical functionaries. You said: 'You have no power to ordain no one.' We always thought, or rather believed, that two negatives make an affirmative, if your authority did not weaken the verdict of the authors of old."
--Excerpt from a letter in which a synod of fifty Italian and German bishops came together in 963 to depose
Pope John XII, citing sacrilege, simony, perjury, murder, adultery, incest, and the use of a double negative.
Kd5mdk 20:12, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
John XII, was confirmed by many historians as worst Pope ever. He was killed in bedroom when caught with someones wife. -- 90.157.231.38 ( talk) 12:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Or had a stroke while with another man's wife http://time.com/4633580/young-pope-history/ Legacypac ( talk) 21:03, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Pope John XII was a LGBT Roman Catholic pope. That should be sorted in catsegory.
-- 188.96.230.248 ( talk) 20:52, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
John XII ever when He held Mass without Communion. He also invoke Jupiter, Saturnus, and Demons showed him as Antipope. And He wasn't a Pope.
This principle is most certain. The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope, as Cajetan himself admits (ib. c. 26). The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member; now he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian (lib. 4, epist. 2), St. Athanasius (Scr. 2 cont. Arian.), St. Augustine (lib. de great. Christ. cap. 20), St. Jerome (contra Lucifer.) and others; therefore the manifest heretic cannot be Pope. To this Cajetan responds (in Apol. pro tract. praedicto cap. 25 et in ipso tract. cap. 22) that the heretic is not a Christian “simpliciter” [i.e. without qualification, or absolutely], but is one “secundum quid” [i.e. in a qualified or relative sense]. For, granted that two things constitute the Christian — the faith and the [baptismal] character — the heretic, having lost the faith, is still in some way united to the Church and is capable of jurisdiction; therefore, he is also Pope, but ought to be removed, since he is disposed, with ultimate disposition, to cease to be Pope: as the man who is still not dead but is “in extremis” [at the point of death].
If he invoked Jupiter, Venus and other demons. And then I cite again, " They even said he did not celebrate Matins at the canonical hours nor did he make the sign of the cross. "
That Action is Apostasy on Catholic View. So, If many Roman Catholics who knew about his life at later life, Maybe Pope John XII would become an Antipope in his life because his apostasy. 139.192.161.70 ( talk) 23:42, 23 January 2023 (UTC)