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My notes say "Albanian." I realize that boundaries and cultures shift, so I don't want to change anything. The names used in the bio here seem Greek to me. Student7 19:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
In regards to 'Converting a British King?' Virtually this entire section is unsourced, and vast quantities of the material are heavily POV. Unless sources can be provided, I may remove the section completely. The 'Catholic Reaction to Montanism' is similarly unsourced, and since it has it's own user page and also hardly ties it's relevance with Pope Eleuterus ( other than it says in a verbose way no one knows what Eleuterus did about Montanism), I don't think this section's removal would be missed either. Guldenat 23:42, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Still needs more and better sourcing, but the section is the most NOTABLE aspect of the guy's pontificate. Have helped some and at least explained who all the surnames were talking about. — LlywelynII 13:49, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
The contributor who added the reference to the Simpsons episode is mistaken. There is indeed a "St. Eleutherius of Nicomedia" unrelated to Pope Eleuterus, but information on him is scarce -- and non-existant in Wikipedia. The humor in the episode comes from his being such a little known saint. I understand the contributor's excitement to link up the Simpsons reference, which is exactly what led me to hours of research today. However, I am removing this section because it is incorrect.
The real "St. Eleutherius of Nicomedia" was martyred in the year 303, and his feast day is October 2nd. (cf. Pope Eleuterus, d. 189, feast May 26). Eleutherius of Nicomedia was martyred at the height of the
Diocletian Persecution. He was a soldier in Emperor
Diocletian's army accused of setting fire to the emperor’s palace and was burned to death after being tortured with companions.
References:
St. Eleutherius - Catholic Online
October 2 -- today's saints (scroll down to find the following text:
"St. Eleutherius and companions, of Nicomedia (from Asia Minor [Turkish], soldier, martyred c. 303)"
Any other information (especially on Wikipedia) about St. Eleutherius of Nicomedia is appreciated.--
Thisis0 (
talk)
23:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Why call him Pope if as stated in the article "Pope" the term was not used until later? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lifeformnoho ( talk • contribs) 22:21, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
A lot of the discussion about the reality or not of King Lucius belongs in the 'Lucius of Britain' article rather than here. John O'London ( talk) 10:21, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Well, after 4 years, I think I can say that there is consensus to move the page, which I have done. ( non-admin closure) Sky Warrior 03:19, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Should this article be titled "Pope Eleutherus" or even "Pope Eleutherius"? In Latin, the Greek θ is transliterated as "th" -- hence Theodorus and not Teodorus. The current spelling may be based on some old 19th century church history. Horatio325 ( talk) 08:16, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Per Knight ( p. 14), Loomis's translation of pope's entry in The Book of the Popes:
with a few obvious errors emended in brackets, since Knight claims she used the Brittaniorum rege MS for that section. He notes her use of an alternate MS for the food passage, causing her text to read "He also confirmed again the decree that no kind of food in common use should be..." We can't use it word for word but we should find ways to include the information itself in the article, as well as making a note of any obvious errors or oddities (as with the Lucius episode). — LlywelynII 15:00, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
The Book of Llandaff gives the following similar but not identical notice:
Rees's 1840 translation. — LlywelynII 21:23, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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My notes say "Albanian." I realize that boundaries and cultures shift, so I don't want to change anything. The names used in the bio here seem Greek to me. Student7 19:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
In regards to 'Converting a British King?' Virtually this entire section is unsourced, and vast quantities of the material are heavily POV. Unless sources can be provided, I may remove the section completely. The 'Catholic Reaction to Montanism' is similarly unsourced, and since it has it's own user page and also hardly ties it's relevance with Pope Eleuterus ( other than it says in a verbose way no one knows what Eleuterus did about Montanism), I don't think this section's removal would be missed either. Guldenat 23:42, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Still needs more and better sourcing, but the section is the most NOTABLE aspect of the guy's pontificate. Have helped some and at least explained who all the surnames were talking about. — LlywelynII 13:49, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
The contributor who added the reference to the Simpsons episode is mistaken. There is indeed a "St. Eleutherius of Nicomedia" unrelated to Pope Eleuterus, but information on him is scarce -- and non-existant in Wikipedia. The humor in the episode comes from his being such a little known saint. I understand the contributor's excitement to link up the Simpsons reference, which is exactly what led me to hours of research today. However, I am removing this section because it is incorrect.
The real "St. Eleutherius of Nicomedia" was martyred in the year 303, and his feast day is October 2nd. (cf. Pope Eleuterus, d. 189, feast May 26). Eleutherius of Nicomedia was martyred at the height of the
Diocletian Persecution. He was a soldier in Emperor
Diocletian's army accused of setting fire to the emperor’s palace and was burned to death after being tortured with companions.
References:
St. Eleutherius - Catholic Online
October 2 -- today's saints (scroll down to find the following text:
"St. Eleutherius and companions, of Nicomedia (from Asia Minor [Turkish], soldier, martyred c. 303)"
Any other information (especially on Wikipedia) about St. Eleutherius of Nicomedia is appreciated.--
Thisis0 (
talk)
23:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Why call him Pope if as stated in the article "Pope" the term was not used until later? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lifeformnoho ( talk • contribs) 22:21, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
A lot of the discussion about the reality or not of King Lucius belongs in the 'Lucius of Britain' article rather than here. John O'London ( talk) 10:21, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Well, after 4 years, I think I can say that there is consensus to move the page, which I have done. ( non-admin closure) Sky Warrior 03:19, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Should this article be titled "Pope Eleutherus" or even "Pope Eleutherius"? In Latin, the Greek θ is transliterated as "th" -- hence Theodorus and not Teodorus. The current spelling may be based on some old 19th century church history. Horatio325 ( talk) 08:16, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Per Knight ( p. 14), Loomis's translation of pope's entry in The Book of the Popes:
with a few obvious errors emended in brackets, since Knight claims she used the Brittaniorum rege MS for that section. He notes her use of an alternate MS for the food passage, causing her text to read "He also confirmed again the decree that no kind of food in common use should be..." We can't use it word for word but we should find ways to include the information itself in the article, as well as making a note of any obvious errors or oddities (as with the Lucius episode). — LlywelynII 15:00, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
The Book of Llandaff gives the following similar but not identical notice:
Rees's 1840 translation. — LlywelynII 21:23, 1 February 2015 (UTC)