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I'm not sure what's going on here, but I'm doing some research online on this subject, and most other websites seem to show this as the 1832 Reform Act, not 1834. Does anyone have an answer, or is the article incorrect? (update) ok, they're two different topics, my bad.
I've taken out the above as it is misleading as it is and cannot easily be reworked. The problem is the false connection between working-class representation and the ILP (many working-class voters before 1893 as well as several working-class MPs - also the ILP was not the Labour Party. What the latter attempted to do to reform the Poor Laws would be worth noting, as would the activities of Labour and socialist members of local Boards of Guardians, especially George Lansbury and others in Poplar. Mattley (Chattley) 19:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I can't fathom out what on earth this is supposed to mean: The Commission's recommendations were based on two principles. The first was "less eligibility": that the position of the pauper should be less eligible (that is, less to be chosen) than that of the independent labourer. The "explanation" in brackets is hardly explanatory, either! Some rewording by someone who knows what they're talking about (and who can write clearly) is needed, please. Silverhelm 18:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
The principle off less eligibility is hard to define at best, however in order to get an accurate idea of what it means, you must first look at the idea of "deserving" and "undeserving" poor. This is the idea that those who needed to claim relief from the parish, and thus went into the workhouses, were grouped as being "undeserving" poor. Whereas, those who were able to stay out of the workhouse through legal means (for example having a job,) were classified as being the "deserving" poor. This leads directly into the principle of less eligibility which stated that the living conditions of those within the workhouse (the "undeserving" poor) should be worse than that off the worst person living independently outside the workhouse (the "deserving" poor.) Thus relief given (now in the form of workhouses) was now to be used as a deterrent to put off would-be "undeserving" poor and force them to be "deserving" poor.
Hope this helps :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.43.23 ( talk) 16:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the following unsourced statement from the article:
In addition to being unsourced, this statement is incredibly vague. Why didn't it "really work"? Who says it "did not really work"? Without a reliable source the statement resembles an editor's personal opinion and not a fact that can be included at this time. Road Wizard ( talk) 18:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Boyer (1990) mentions Peters extensively in Chapter 7, e.g. "Opposition to the implementation of the New Poor Law was strongest in local areas... such as the Yorkshire Town of Skipton. The intervention of the reverend of the parish, a certain Mark Peters, provided the flashpoint for the local dissent." (1990:195)
The "racist" remark (which does admittedly look a little weird in the quote incorporated in the section) originates from a speech where he was not just deriding the New Poor Law, but also local disagreement with plans to extend coverage to the few predominantly French immigrants of the town. Perhaps the 'racist' bit could be removed from the quote.
As for the date of the Craven Herald article, the Wikipedia article neglects to mention that a newspaper by the name of the 'Craven Herald and Pioneer' existed in a form of informally distributed pamphlet prior to its official founding date by Robert Tasker.
Hope this clears things up. 62.3.246.201 ( talk) 18:02, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
This article is not much than a stub and is only discussed as one feature of a 19th Century law in Britain. Chris Troutman ( talk) 22:36, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 06:56, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure what's going on here, but I'm doing some research online on this subject, and most other websites seem to show this as the 1832 Reform Act, not 1834. Does anyone have an answer, or is the article incorrect? (update) ok, they're two different topics, my bad.
I've taken out the above as it is misleading as it is and cannot easily be reworked. The problem is the false connection between working-class representation and the ILP (many working-class voters before 1893 as well as several working-class MPs - also the ILP was not the Labour Party. What the latter attempted to do to reform the Poor Laws would be worth noting, as would the activities of Labour and socialist members of local Boards of Guardians, especially George Lansbury and others in Poplar. Mattley (Chattley) 19:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I can't fathom out what on earth this is supposed to mean: The Commission's recommendations were based on two principles. The first was "less eligibility": that the position of the pauper should be less eligible (that is, less to be chosen) than that of the independent labourer. The "explanation" in brackets is hardly explanatory, either! Some rewording by someone who knows what they're talking about (and who can write clearly) is needed, please. Silverhelm 18:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
The principle off less eligibility is hard to define at best, however in order to get an accurate idea of what it means, you must first look at the idea of "deserving" and "undeserving" poor. This is the idea that those who needed to claim relief from the parish, and thus went into the workhouses, were grouped as being "undeserving" poor. Whereas, those who were able to stay out of the workhouse through legal means (for example having a job,) were classified as being the "deserving" poor. This leads directly into the principle of less eligibility which stated that the living conditions of those within the workhouse (the "undeserving" poor) should be worse than that off the worst person living independently outside the workhouse (the "deserving" poor.) Thus relief given (now in the form of workhouses) was now to be used as a deterrent to put off would-be "undeserving" poor and force them to be "deserving" poor.
Hope this helps :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.43.23 ( talk) 16:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the following unsourced statement from the article:
In addition to being unsourced, this statement is incredibly vague. Why didn't it "really work"? Who says it "did not really work"? Without a reliable source the statement resembles an editor's personal opinion and not a fact that can be included at this time. Road Wizard ( talk) 18:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Boyer (1990) mentions Peters extensively in Chapter 7, e.g. "Opposition to the implementation of the New Poor Law was strongest in local areas... such as the Yorkshire Town of Skipton. The intervention of the reverend of the parish, a certain Mark Peters, provided the flashpoint for the local dissent." (1990:195)
The "racist" remark (which does admittedly look a little weird in the quote incorporated in the section) originates from a speech where he was not just deriding the New Poor Law, but also local disagreement with plans to extend coverage to the few predominantly French immigrants of the town. Perhaps the 'racist' bit could be removed from the quote.
As for the date of the Craven Herald article, the Wikipedia article neglects to mention that a newspaper by the name of the 'Craven Herald and Pioneer' existed in a form of informally distributed pamphlet prior to its official founding date by Robert Tasker.
Hope this clears things up. 62.3.246.201 ( talk) 18:02, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
This article is not much than a stub and is only discussed as one feature of a 19th Century law in Britain. Chris Troutman ( talk) 22:36, 26 May 2013 (UTC)