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External link doesn't work. -- 80.58.8.107 18:43, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article seems to describe at least two, possibly four songs: the Italian anthem ("inno") by Allegra, the "marcia pontificale", the Latin anthem, and the old anthem by Vittorino Hallmayr. If that is the case, perhaps it should be split into three separate articles. If some of those songs are just translations or parts of the same song, that should be made more clear in the article.
Jorge Stolfi
05:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
The more I look at this, the more confusing it gets. The sequence seems to be this:
I've added a "citation needed" tag on the claim that there are no lyrics to the anthem, this does not seem to be explicitly stated on the Holy See websites referenced in the article. (In fact, it is mentioned that there are lyrics to be found easily at the Vatican's site!) Also, the lyrics for the previous pontifical anthem seem to be simply the Italian lyrics of the current anthem (no longer used), for one they don't seem to fit the music of the previous anthem at all. -- Canuckguy ( talk) 01:41, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Since Hallmayer's composition is usually referred to as the Triumphal March, and Gounod's as the Papal March (or, since 1950. the Papal March and Anthem), the text that the Press Office of the Holy See gives in its article Inno Pontificio as "the old words of the Papal March" may have been associated with Gounod's music before 1950, when Allegra's text gained preference over it.
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I have temporarily removed the sentence which said
since the Latin lyrics above it are marked to be sung by a four-voice choir. Are there indeed two versions of the Latin lyrics? All the best, -- Jorge Stolfi ( talk) 21:21, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
For the record, the source for the claim about eight-bars-on-flag-raising is the Italian version of the vatican site:
My translation:
My translation may not be very good, but the Italian wording is a bit jumbled too. Nevertheless the meaning seems clear enough. The English translation of that page is visibly shorter, and apparently omits the paragraph above. All the best, -- Jorge Stolfi ( talk) 02:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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On 23 May 2016, an IP changed the Latin lyrics to a version not included in the source. Where do these other lyrics come from? What's the difference between the two? Should we include just the sourced one or both? - Alumnum ( talk) 09:57, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
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External link doesn't work. -- 80.58.8.107 18:43, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article seems to describe at least two, possibly four songs: the Italian anthem ("inno") by Allegra, the "marcia pontificale", the Latin anthem, and the old anthem by Vittorino Hallmayr. If that is the case, perhaps it should be split into three separate articles. If some of those songs are just translations or parts of the same song, that should be made more clear in the article.
Jorge Stolfi
05:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
The more I look at this, the more confusing it gets. The sequence seems to be this:
I've added a "citation needed" tag on the claim that there are no lyrics to the anthem, this does not seem to be explicitly stated on the Holy See websites referenced in the article. (In fact, it is mentioned that there are lyrics to be found easily at the Vatican's site!) Also, the lyrics for the previous pontifical anthem seem to be simply the Italian lyrics of the current anthem (no longer used), for one they don't seem to fit the music of the previous anthem at all. -- Canuckguy ( talk) 01:41, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Since Hallmayer's composition is usually referred to as the Triumphal March, and Gounod's as the Papal March (or, since 1950. the Papal March and Anthem), the text that the Press Office of the Holy See gives in its article Inno Pontificio as "the old words of the Papal March" may have been associated with Gounod's music before 1950, when Allegra's text gained preference over it.
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I have temporarily removed the sentence which said
since the Latin lyrics above it are marked to be sung by a four-voice choir. Are there indeed two versions of the Latin lyrics? All the best, -- Jorge Stolfi ( talk) 21:21, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
For the record, the source for the claim about eight-bars-on-flag-raising is the Italian version of the vatican site:
My translation:
My translation may not be very good, but the Italian wording is a bit jumbled too. Nevertheless the meaning seems clear enough. The English translation of that page is visibly shorter, and apparently omits the paragraph above. All the best, -- Jorge Stolfi ( talk) 02:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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On 23 May 2016, an IP changed the Latin lyrics to a version not included in the source. Where do these other lyrics come from? What's the difference between the two? Should we include just the sourced one or both? - Alumnum ( talk) 09:57, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
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