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Some polo shirts have 3 buttons or even 2 in Marks and Spencers-- Snow storm in Eastern Asia ( talk) 13:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC).
I've seen this to.-- Reatostly ( talk) 09:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
3. Trish pt7 (talk) ( talk) 18:46, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
I have yet to see a Polo Shirt with 2 buttons, most of the ones I have ever seen have 3 or 4 buttons- User:GeorgeFormby1 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 09:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm wearing one now :) 68.226.137.18 04:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Who decided that polo shirts are to be buttoned to the top? Almost no one does.
I think this page should be titled "Polo Shirt". Not only do I believe that to be the more common name (althought I don't know for sure - no polls have been done), it is also the name that most refers to the type of shirt and least to the type of sport. People might wear a tennis shirt for tennis, a golf shirt for golf, but few people, unless they own a horse and are members of the British Royal family, would wear a polo shirt for polo, or associate the style of shirt particularly with polo. Also, Carson Kressley, in Off the Cuff, states that a golf shirt is different from a polo shirt (although only slightly - and I am aware that a statement by Carson Kressley is not the be-all and end-all judgement on the matter.) - Matthew238 07:37, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
I agree; the generic term (at least in the US) is "Polo Shirt" Joncnunn 21:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
ive never heard of tennis shirts only polo shirts. Dappled Sage 23:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Polo shirt is by far a more widely used term - a simple Google search of "polo shirt" vs "tennis shirt" shows 1.5 million matches vs just 120 000. The article really should be renamed. Uuuppp 15:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
"Polo" may have supplanted "tennis" in recent years but it makes more sense to use the original since "polo shirt" is really just a genericized trademark. If we've got a non-commercial, widely recognized term, like "tennis shirt," I say that should be the one we use. Also, the introduction says it was formerly known as a tennis shirt. The term's still very much in use, and the author of that statement seems to imply there's some recognized authority that decides what to call things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.226.18.227 ( talk) 20:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
It's 'Polo' or airtex in the UK.-- Snow storm in Eastern Asia ( talk) 13:26, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
A source is definately needed for this; particularly since the temperature would be a natural factor in how many (if any) too button while outside when this isn't worn as a uniform. Jon 20:31, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
who calls it a tennis shirt ??
they are two different things
In the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs of the "Application to polo and other sports" section, it first mentions that the term "polo shirt" became universal in the 1950's, and then says that in 1967 people began calling Lacoste's tennis shirts "polo shirts". Is the article contradicting itself here?
I'm as confused as you are, comrade! Wipsenade ( talk) 17:59, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
In the 2nd to last paragraph, "The easily-upturnable collar remains another athletic aid." this makes no sense to me. Revan111 20:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
From newspaper archives we researched "new line polos" with pictures showing the style known today as "polos" were first advertised in August 1887.
1887 – August, ads appear in The News, Fredrick Maryland. “Just the thing for hot weather, new line polos”.
1893 – From the Magazine, Economy & Business September 1, 1986 - the new version of the polo made it’s debut in 1893 when worn by players from the Hurlingham Polo Club near Buenos Aires. Could this be the first bona fide sports shirt?
1920 – Lewis Lacey opens a sports store in Buenos Aires selling the new style polo shirts with the logo of a polo player astride a pony. Most likely the first time a logo has been used commercially. This information was taken from Time Magazine September 1986. (Ralph Lauren introduces a polo shirt in 1972 with depicts a polo player but from a different angle).
The editor who wrote the article on the tennis shirt for Wikipedia needs to do more research when he insists that the generic name for the polo shirt is tennis shirt . The article has further errors when it implies that Lacoste is responsible for the modern day polo shirt. Lacoste first marketed his shirt in France in 1933 and the US in 1951. The notable difference between the Lacoste shirt and the polo shirt was the longer tail of the Lacoste. To claim or imply that Lacoste was somehow the inventor of the polo shirt is insane.
For more info and records/photos that prove how wrong the "tennis shirt" nonsense is, please see the following page:
http://www.love-u-tshirt.com/polo-shirt.html
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.94.145 ( talk • contribs) 12:22, 18 August 2007
The UK player and 1920's Labour Party peer Fred Perry sold his first shirt in Paris, after beating a French player, during 1932. -- Snow storm in Eastern Asia ( talk) 13:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Based on the many discussions above, and the newspaper ad evidence, and the fact that most links to this page already use the term Polo shirt, I tried to move it to Polo shirt. But that failed because there is an existing Talk:Polo_shirt page, so something was done wrong in the past. So I asked the admins to do it at Wikipedia:Requested_moves -- NealMcB 17:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
This is a vote on the name of the page, not the history. Wikipedia:Naming_conventions says Generally, article naming should prefer what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. The fact is that hardly anyone uses the term "tennis shirt" now, and most people use Polo shirt. And as I noted that also is reflected in how most people link to the page already. So thanks 65.66.153.99 for your input, and I encourage whoever wants to to debate the history, but the name of the article is a different thing. -- NealMcB 16:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. by Brian Vegaswikian 04:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The External links to the home pages for lacoste, brooksbrothers and polo/lauren don't directly provide any information relevant to this page - this isn't a page to promote sales of shirts or particular brands. Note Wikipedia:External_links#Links normally to be avoided 4. Links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services.
Note, in the spirit of Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Declaring_an_interest, that I have no personal interest in the history or any of the companies involved - I'm just a Wikipedia user and editor trying to contribute to a useful and non-POV page. I encourage other participants in this discussion to disclose any relevant interests. -- NealMcB 18:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted your removal of the Missing information box. Your comment (→History - box rm per discussion) seems inappropriate given that there are at least 3 people arguing for the need for extra history, and only one (yourself) arguing against it. I'll also second the need to find references that don't rely on commercial vendors with a conflict of interest. You argue that love-u-tshirt.com is an inappropriate source of references, and at least two of us point out that the same is true of the vendors you largely rely on (with many references to the same article rather than "ibids" which makes it seem like there are more sources than there are).
The article continues to suggest that Lacoste introduced more innovations at once than the record seems to indicate. E.g. it seems that more casual short-sleeved "polo" shirts, though with different fabric, were in fashion before he came on the scene. (They may be dress shirts now, but the description suggests that they were more casual in that time). Given that the article is properly titled "polo shirt" as we've now established, clarifying the history of the name up front will help.
All these details need to be properly sourced of course, and we need someone to look at the newspaper references cited above. Some more history on knitted vs woven cloth would be nice. References to the lawsuit seem relevant also - do you have sources better than the Time article, and does it talk about more than the logo controversy (e.g. what polo players were wearing in 1893)?
So who has access to the newspaper archives, and "Economy & Business September 1, 1986", that can help us find a consensus here (or at least let us represent whatever remaining properly-referenced controversy remains)? -- NealMcB 01:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
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It's in first person and reads like a blog entry. I deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.32.197 ( talk) 03:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
This has been a question since Business Casual became the craze in the 1990's. Most Polo (Golf) shirts have 3 buttons. When wearing a 3-button polo (golf) shirt to the office, the rule of thumb is that the bottom two buttons should be actually buttoned. If you are wearing a golf shirt with 2 buttons, then the bottom button should actually be buttoned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.2.193.1 ( talk) 14:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't know about everyone else, but I get some weird images in my head when I read that sentence. Evanh2008, Super Genius (User page) (talk) 08:53, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Gay gits? Trish pt7 ( talk) 19:22, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Gays like wring them? 79.77.207.102 ( talk) 15:22, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
The intro says Polo shirts are usually made of knitted cloth (rather than woven cloth), usually piqué cotton, but the linked article says piqué is a kind of woven cloth. Again in the history section, He designed a white, short-sleeved, loosely-knit piqué cotton (he called the cotton weave jersey petit piqué) shirt. I think we can all agree that polo shirts are of knitted fabric. So is the piqué article wrong, or are polo shirts not piqué? My guess is that the fabric is properly called "piqué knit", i.e. a knit that's named after the weave called piqué, and that this is common enough that it ought to be noted in the piqué article. But that's just a guess. -- Dan Wylie-Sears 2 ( talk) 11:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I suggest that the section be deleted. Roxy, the dog. wooF 18:47, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
It dose not mention the Argentine 'Peplau Ranges'. 79.77.207.102 ( talk) 15:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
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The introduction is inadequate. How could one get an idea of what a PS is from it? It's a shirt with a collar -- that leaves out a key point to wit, the shirt has a collar placket. Kdammers ( talk) 17:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
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Some polo shirts have 3 buttons or even 2 in Marks and Spencers-- Snow storm in Eastern Asia ( talk) 13:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC).
I've seen this to.-- Reatostly ( talk) 09:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
3. Trish pt7 (talk) ( talk) 18:46, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
I have yet to see a Polo Shirt with 2 buttons, most of the ones I have ever seen have 3 or 4 buttons- User:GeorgeFormby1 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 09:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm wearing one now :) 68.226.137.18 04:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Who decided that polo shirts are to be buttoned to the top? Almost no one does.
I think this page should be titled "Polo Shirt". Not only do I believe that to be the more common name (althought I don't know for sure - no polls have been done), it is also the name that most refers to the type of shirt and least to the type of sport. People might wear a tennis shirt for tennis, a golf shirt for golf, but few people, unless they own a horse and are members of the British Royal family, would wear a polo shirt for polo, or associate the style of shirt particularly with polo. Also, Carson Kressley, in Off the Cuff, states that a golf shirt is different from a polo shirt (although only slightly - and I am aware that a statement by Carson Kressley is not the be-all and end-all judgement on the matter.) - Matthew238 07:37, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
I agree; the generic term (at least in the US) is "Polo Shirt" Joncnunn 21:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
ive never heard of tennis shirts only polo shirts. Dappled Sage 23:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Polo shirt is by far a more widely used term - a simple Google search of "polo shirt" vs "tennis shirt" shows 1.5 million matches vs just 120 000. The article really should be renamed. Uuuppp 15:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
"Polo" may have supplanted "tennis" in recent years but it makes more sense to use the original since "polo shirt" is really just a genericized trademark. If we've got a non-commercial, widely recognized term, like "tennis shirt," I say that should be the one we use. Also, the introduction says it was formerly known as a tennis shirt. The term's still very much in use, and the author of that statement seems to imply there's some recognized authority that decides what to call things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.226.18.227 ( talk) 20:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
It's 'Polo' or airtex in the UK.-- Snow storm in Eastern Asia ( talk) 13:26, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
A source is definately needed for this; particularly since the temperature would be a natural factor in how many (if any) too button while outside when this isn't worn as a uniform. Jon 20:31, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
who calls it a tennis shirt ??
they are two different things
In the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs of the "Application to polo and other sports" section, it first mentions that the term "polo shirt" became universal in the 1950's, and then says that in 1967 people began calling Lacoste's tennis shirts "polo shirts". Is the article contradicting itself here?
I'm as confused as you are, comrade! Wipsenade ( talk) 17:59, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
In the 2nd to last paragraph, "The easily-upturnable collar remains another athletic aid." this makes no sense to me. Revan111 20:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
From newspaper archives we researched "new line polos" with pictures showing the style known today as "polos" were first advertised in August 1887.
1887 – August, ads appear in The News, Fredrick Maryland. “Just the thing for hot weather, new line polos”.
1893 – From the Magazine, Economy & Business September 1, 1986 - the new version of the polo made it’s debut in 1893 when worn by players from the Hurlingham Polo Club near Buenos Aires. Could this be the first bona fide sports shirt?
1920 – Lewis Lacey opens a sports store in Buenos Aires selling the new style polo shirts with the logo of a polo player astride a pony. Most likely the first time a logo has been used commercially. This information was taken from Time Magazine September 1986. (Ralph Lauren introduces a polo shirt in 1972 with depicts a polo player but from a different angle).
The editor who wrote the article on the tennis shirt for Wikipedia needs to do more research when he insists that the generic name for the polo shirt is tennis shirt . The article has further errors when it implies that Lacoste is responsible for the modern day polo shirt. Lacoste first marketed his shirt in France in 1933 and the US in 1951. The notable difference between the Lacoste shirt and the polo shirt was the longer tail of the Lacoste. To claim or imply that Lacoste was somehow the inventor of the polo shirt is insane.
For more info and records/photos that prove how wrong the "tennis shirt" nonsense is, please see the following page:
http://www.love-u-tshirt.com/polo-shirt.html
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.94.145 ( talk • contribs) 12:22, 18 August 2007
The UK player and 1920's Labour Party peer Fred Perry sold his first shirt in Paris, after beating a French player, during 1932. -- Snow storm in Eastern Asia ( talk) 13:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Based on the many discussions above, and the newspaper ad evidence, and the fact that most links to this page already use the term Polo shirt, I tried to move it to Polo shirt. But that failed because there is an existing Talk:Polo_shirt page, so something was done wrong in the past. So I asked the admins to do it at Wikipedia:Requested_moves -- NealMcB 17:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
This is a vote on the name of the page, not the history. Wikipedia:Naming_conventions says Generally, article naming should prefer what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. The fact is that hardly anyone uses the term "tennis shirt" now, and most people use Polo shirt. And as I noted that also is reflected in how most people link to the page already. So thanks 65.66.153.99 for your input, and I encourage whoever wants to to debate the history, but the name of the article is a different thing. -- NealMcB 16:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. by Brian Vegaswikian 04:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The External links to the home pages for lacoste, brooksbrothers and polo/lauren don't directly provide any information relevant to this page - this isn't a page to promote sales of shirts or particular brands. Note Wikipedia:External_links#Links normally to be avoided 4. Links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services.
Note, in the spirit of Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Declaring_an_interest, that I have no personal interest in the history or any of the companies involved - I'm just a Wikipedia user and editor trying to contribute to a useful and non-POV page. I encourage other participants in this discussion to disclose any relevant interests. -- NealMcB 18:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted your removal of the Missing information box. Your comment (→History - box rm per discussion) seems inappropriate given that there are at least 3 people arguing for the need for extra history, and only one (yourself) arguing against it. I'll also second the need to find references that don't rely on commercial vendors with a conflict of interest. You argue that love-u-tshirt.com is an inappropriate source of references, and at least two of us point out that the same is true of the vendors you largely rely on (with many references to the same article rather than "ibids" which makes it seem like there are more sources than there are).
The article continues to suggest that Lacoste introduced more innovations at once than the record seems to indicate. E.g. it seems that more casual short-sleeved "polo" shirts, though with different fabric, were in fashion before he came on the scene. (They may be dress shirts now, but the description suggests that they were more casual in that time). Given that the article is properly titled "polo shirt" as we've now established, clarifying the history of the name up front will help.
All these details need to be properly sourced of course, and we need someone to look at the newspaper references cited above. Some more history on knitted vs woven cloth would be nice. References to the lawsuit seem relevant also - do you have sources better than the Time article, and does it talk about more than the logo controversy (e.g. what polo players were wearing in 1893)?
So who has access to the newspaper archives, and "Economy & Business September 1, 1986", that can help us find a consensus here (or at least let us represent whatever remaining properly-referenced controversy remains)? -- NealMcB 01:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
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It's in first person and reads like a blog entry. I deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.32.197 ( talk) 03:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
This has been a question since Business Casual became the craze in the 1990's. Most Polo (Golf) shirts have 3 buttons. When wearing a 3-button polo (golf) shirt to the office, the rule of thumb is that the bottom two buttons should be actually buttoned. If you are wearing a golf shirt with 2 buttons, then the bottom button should actually be buttoned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.2.193.1 ( talk) 14:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't know about everyone else, but I get some weird images in my head when I read that sentence. Evanh2008, Super Genius (User page) (talk) 08:53, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Gay gits? Trish pt7 ( talk) 19:22, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Gays like wring them? 79.77.207.102 ( talk) 15:22, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
The intro says Polo shirts are usually made of knitted cloth (rather than woven cloth), usually piqué cotton, but the linked article says piqué is a kind of woven cloth. Again in the history section, He designed a white, short-sleeved, loosely-knit piqué cotton (he called the cotton weave jersey petit piqué) shirt. I think we can all agree that polo shirts are of knitted fabric. So is the piqué article wrong, or are polo shirts not piqué? My guess is that the fabric is properly called "piqué knit", i.e. a knit that's named after the weave called piqué, and that this is common enough that it ought to be noted in the piqué article. But that's just a guess. -- Dan Wylie-Sears 2 ( talk) 11:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I suggest that the section be deleted. Roxy, the dog. wooF 18:47, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
It dose not mention the Argentine 'Peplau Ranges'. 79.77.207.102 ( talk) 15:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Chukker shirt. The discussion will occur at
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The introduction is inadequate. How could one get an idea of what a PS is from it? It's a shirt with a collar -- that leaves out a key point to wit, the shirt has a collar placket. Kdammers ( talk) 17:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)