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Redirect to Black Holes & Revelations as a plausible search term. Sceptre ( talk) 18:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
What do you mean by "again" ? I thought exoplolitcs is the speculative extension of politcal science to interaction with hypothetical extra-terrestrial forms of intent.-- 79.29.110.16 ( talk) 13:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
While the exclusion of the "Exopolitics" article will in time be seen as one of Wikipedia's more jackass moments. I am happy to see that at least the term, which has 252,000 page returns on Google and 782,000 page returns on Yahoo, is now forwarded to the band Muse. I am a big fan of Muse and very much like their song Exo-Politics. All encyclopedias are, by construction and intent, maintainers of the status quo. Sadly, when the status quo is based in government propaganda and the people behind the encyclopedia fail to see this, they become enablers of state supported reality. It's a disgrace, of course, but not one that isn't shared. Ultimately every person in a society is a victim when the state gets in the reality shaping business. I believe in time Wikipedia will find its way, but not before many of the current administrator are replaced by individuals with much stronger intellectual constitutions and greater insight. SteveBassett ( talk) 13:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Requesting a review of this redirect to something more useful.
For example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exopolitics_Institute
or one of the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrobiology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SETI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSETI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_life
Jbuchman ( talk) 20:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
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__ meco ( talk) 11:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Given that the existence of extraterrestrial life (and especially intelligent life) is unproven in contemporary science and politics, the field which has come to be known as exopolitics has been focussed on efforts by various individuals and groups towards open government disclosure on the topic.
I'd suggest then that the redirection to 'Exopolitics Institute' seems a bit limiting, especially given the work by such researchers as Dr. Stanton Friedman or testimony of scientists such as Dr. Dan Burisch. We may disagree with their conclusions but we cannot deny the existence of the field or the body of their work.
I would therefore request that there be an actual 'Exopolitics' page. Would you allow me ( Tektites) to write it? [I'm a relatively fresh face to the field (B.Sc. in Geophysics) and don't have any axe to grind; But would be happy to make an effort.] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tektites ( talk • contribs) 00:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I removed this source from the article, but if someone wants to find the story here is the ciation as it appeared:
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I didn't see much criticism. But I always like to include some for balance if anyone has found some. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 21:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
This article appears to presume that aliens exist, an interesting idea but sadly one completely unsupported by sources of a respectable kind. Can we work together to remove the POV presumptions from this article? -- Johnnyturk888 ( talk) 10:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
This should be merged with Michael Salla. Simonm223 ( talk) 14:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
This edit restores a sentence about the concept of exopolitics as used in science fiction. On the one hand, this is an obvious statement - Babylon 5 is pretty much all about political machinations and aliens, in David Brin's Uplift books humans hurriedly whitewash their history after first contact, in Iain M. Banks' The Algebraist pre-spaceflight humans are manipulated for later political gain, Campbell's Black Star Passes considers the problem of a unified world government in context of interstellar war, and Larry Niven does the same for trade ... and that is just works I can see without getting up. On the other hand, to my knowledge none of these make any explicit or implicit reference to Salla or his ideas. Do we want to expand the scope of this article to include speculative fiction or non-Salla-related speculation, or should it focus specifically on the movement he founded? - 2/0 ( cont.) 18:02, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Could you explain this revert? The material I added is directly relevant to active communication with ETI—which is a precondition to any kind of human-ETI diplomatic or political relations—and to existing, clearly-defined protocols for dealing with human-ETI contact. When you seek to limit this article to the barely-notable, fringe theories of a single researcher, then this should become a redirect to Michael Salla as proposed above. -- Issuesixty soulsgreat ( talk) 22:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Would this page not benefit from opening with a brief, neutral, summarizing statement or definition of the concept of exopolitics, and a clear separation between links to articles about that term (Salla, Webre) and links to secondary, pop-music references to the core term (Muse album)?
Such formatting can be seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon/, and elsewhere.
I propose the following:
Exopolitics is a proposed political science concerning the possibility of extraterrestrial societies and/or humanity's interaction with such.
Category:Extraterrestrial life
{{ disambiguation}}
Startswithj ( talk) 18:10, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
The last section(Neoliberal advocacy) , in my opinion, does not comply with the NPOV requirement for Wikipedia. The section, several times over, pushes an opinion on space. Quote from article:
" Outer space is becoming a space for capitalism. Space commercialization includes satellite launches, space tourism, asteroid mining and related ventures. This era, driven by private companies such as Elon Musk's SpaceX and Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin, has been dubbed "the new space" by industry insiders." who? Spatial justice in outer space increasingly means the 'justice' of capital, with capitalism replacing humanity." opinion]" Geardona ( talk) 01:07, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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Redirect to Black Holes & Revelations as a plausible search term. Sceptre ( talk) 18:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
What do you mean by "again" ? I thought exoplolitcs is the speculative extension of politcal science to interaction with hypothetical extra-terrestrial forms of intent.-- 79.29.110.16 ( talk) 13:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
While the exclusion of the "Exopolitics" article will in time be seen as one of Wikipedia's more jackass moments. I am happy to see that at least the term, which has 252,000 page returns on Google and 782,000 page returns on Yahoo, is now forwarded to the band Muse. I am a big fan of Muse and very much like their song Exo-Politics. All encyclopedias are, by construction and intent, maintainers of the status quo. Sadly, when the status quo is based in government propaganda and the people behind the encyclopedia fail to see this, they become enablers of state supported reality. It's a disgrace, of course, but not one that isn't shared. Ultimately every person in a society is a victim when the state gets in the reality shaping business. I believe in time Wikipedia will find its way, but not before many of the current administrator are replaced by individuals with much stronger intellectual constitutions and greater insight. SteveBassett ( talk) 13:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Requesting a review of this redirect to something more useful.
For example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exopolitics_Institute
or one of the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrobiology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SETI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSETI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_life
Jbuchman ( talk) 20:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}}
{{R with possibilities}}
__ meco ( talk) 11:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Given that the existence of extraterrestrial life (and especially intelligent life) is unproven in contemporary science and politics, the field which has come to be known as exopolitics has been focussed on efforts by various individuals and groups towards open government disclosure on the topic.
I'd suggest then that the redirection to 'Exopolitics Institute' seems a bit limiting, especially given the work by such researchers as Dr. Stanton Friedman or testimony of scientists such as Dr. Dan Burisch. We may disagree with their conclusions but we cannot deny the existence of the field or the body of their work.
I would therefore request that there be an actual 'Exopolitics' page. Would you allow me ( Tektites) to write it? [I'm a relatively fresh face to the field (B.Sc. in Geophysics) and don't have any axe to grind; But would be happy to make an effort.] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tektites ( talk • contribs) 00:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I removed this source from the article, but if someone wants to find the story here is the ciation as it appeared:
{{
cite web}}
: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors=
(
help)Here are some other sources:
I didn't see much criticism. But I always like to include some for balance if anyone has found some. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 21:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
This article appears to presume that aliens exist, an interesting idea but sadly one completely unsupported by sources of a respectable kind. Can we work together to remove the POV presumptions from this article? -- Johnnyturk888 ( talk) 10:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
This should be merged with Michael Salla. Simonm223 ( talk) 14:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
This edit restores a sentence about the concept of exopolitics as used in science fiction. On the one hand, this is an obvious statement - Babylon 5 is pretty much all about political machinations and aliens, in David Brin's Uplift books humans hurriedly whitewash their history after first contact, in Iain M. Banks' The Algebraist pre-spaceflight humans are manipulated for later political gain, Campbell's Black Star Passes considers the problem of a unified world government in context of interstellar war, and Larry Niven does the same for trade ... and that is just works I can see without getting up. On the other hand, to my knowledge none of these make any explicit or implicit reference to Salla or his ideas. Do we want to expand the scope of this article to include speculative fiction or non-Salla-related speculation, or should it focus specifically on the movement he founded? - 2/0 ( cont.) 18:02, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Could you explain this revert? The material I added is directly relevant to active communication with ETI—which is a precondition to any kind of human-ETI diplomatic or political relations—and to existing, clearly-defined protocols for dealing with human-ETI contact. When you seek to limit this article to the barely-notable, fringe theories of a single researcher, then this should become a redirect to Michael Salla as proposed above. -- Issuesixty soulsgreat ( talk) 22:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Would this page not benefit from opening with a brief, neutral, summarizing statement or definition of the concept of exopolitics, and a clear separation between links to articles about that term (Salla, Webre) and links to secondary, pop-music references to the core term (Muse album)?
Such formatting can be seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon/, and elsewhere.
I propose the following:
Exopolitics is a proposed political science concerning the possibility of extraterrestrial societies and/or humanity's interaction with such.
Category:Extraterrestrial life
{{ disambiguation}}
Startswithj ( talk) 18:10, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
The last section(Neoliberal advocacy) , in my opinion, does not comply with the NPOV requirement for Wikipedia. The section, several times over, pushes an opinion on space. Quote from article:
" Outer space is becoming a space for capitalism. Space commercialization includes satellite launches, space tourism, asteroid mining and related ventures. This era, driven by private companies such as Elon Musk's SpaceX and Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin, has been dubbed "the new space" by industry insiders." who? Spatial justice in outer space increasingly means the 'justice' of capital, with capitalism replacing humanity." opinion]" Geardona ( talk) 01:07, 19 November 2023 (UTC)