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"The Greater Montreal Area is the most liberal area of Quebec (and all of Canada)" Unless that could be proven, it should be changed. Metropolitan areas usually tend to be further Left than rural areas, many people would say the same about the Greater Toronto Area or I am sure, Vancouver. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.85.176 ( talk) 17:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
"However, even there, it is not as conservative as most of western Canada, or even rural Ontario or New Brunswick." Again, proof? I don't see any. Western Canada maybe I could believe, but that statement is far to vague and generalized to be taken seriously. I mean certain areas of rural Ontario are bastions of NDP support, while the region in the not so distant past has gone entirely liberal. As far as religious and moral beliefs go I've lived in rural Quebec and small town Ontario and I can't say that I have seen that much of a differance regarding way of life or theology being applied to everyday life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.85.176 ( talk) 17:40, 6 September 2007 (UTC) "
"I completely agree, it should either be supported with evidence, which there isn't, or removed immediately". Jagdfurst ( talk) 14:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The whole part about Quebec legally recognising same sex marriage before Ottawa is good evidence to support the argument that the province tends to be very left-leaning on certain social issues (so long as they do not relate to multiculturalism:) However it's mentioned that civil unions had already been legally recognized in Quebec before hand, weren't they originally recognized by the federal government in 2000 or 2001? I don't think Quebec led the way with civil unions, but I could be wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.85.176 ( talk) 17:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
"This is true, Quebec and civil unions was not gay marriage, but rather secular marriage." Jagdfurst ( talk) 14:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I would argue that the title "Politics of Quebec" implies a discussion of the political culture and party political competitions within Quebec. A more accurate title would be "Government Structure in Quebec" (avoiding the term "Provincial government structure" because that would not meet the impartiality rule, Quebec's continuing status as a Canadian province still being the main bone of contention in Quebec political debate). Ken Burch 09:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Should this article include information about Quebec's representation in national Canadian politics such the rise of the Bloc? It now focuses entirely on its politics as an isolated structure. — Cuiviénen ( Cuivië) 03:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I think it made sense to add more recent political history. The Fall of the Meech lake accord introduced a whole new generation of political actors for the 1990's that are still dominant forces today in some cases. A few suggestions:
-- Soul scanner 04:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
If people are interested in adding more on the history of Quebec, they can start by improving the History of Quebec article which badly needs some help. -- Mathieugp 19:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I've restored my additions. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I'm perfectly willing to accept additions and deletions, provided that they are justified. If you truly disagree with a fact in good faith, then please add a citation needed link. Please do not put in 101 requests for documentation for things that you know are facts.
In particular, I think it's important to mention that there are hard-line "indepentistes pur et dur" within the PQ and Bloc who do not believe in Levesques or Bouchards "Association" and "Partnership". We should not ignore them, especially since important figures like Jacques Parizeau and Bernard Landry were among them. Just because you believe in "Association" does not mean that all sovereignists do.
Moreover, I think the Meech Lake accord merits special mention. It's failure precipitated the creation of the Bloc Quebecois, the ADQ, the collapse of the PC's, and two constitutional referenda. It made Lucien Bouchard, Mrio Dumont, and Jean Charest household names in Quebec. -- Soul scanner 04:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Scientific analysis vs the spontaneous theories turned in truths by journalists. At least one study made it abudantly clear that the Bouchard effect is a myth. I'll have to find it again. In the meantime, you can read this:
I inserted the FIRST ever reference(s) in this article today. Looking at various Quebec related articles, it is a repeat of much from others, is filled with personal opinions and/or unsourced claims, and, like many others, is overloaded with "Separatism" material. It is sorely lacking in actual political content. Phinius T2 16:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems incredible to me that Jews and Muslims would have been barred fron Catholic schools until the late 90s, so I've placed a "dubious" tag next to that statement. Joeldl 06:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
FWIW, my parents agreed I would attend a French Roman Catholic church, and the English Protestant school system in the 1960's to 1970's. I was asked my religion by a teacher one time and I responded "Catholic" to which she replied "What are you doing here? This school is only for Protestants and Jews." Now, I understand this doesn't state official policy for the 1990's, but it may help to show that the statement may have a basis in fact. DAG 17:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
"General political culture" 'Quebec is arguably the most left-wing region in Canada and all of North America.' This statement is ridiculously unfounded and offensive. This is based upon 'all french are left-wing' stereotypes. Quebec, being staunchly Roman Catholic, notably anti-immigrant, and especially the voting of a far-right conservative party (Action démocratique du Québec) seemingly out of nowhere, indicates that Quebec is 'arguably' 'the most' conservative and right-wing region in Canada, and yes, 'all of North America'. With no sources, and no more than 10 minutes of research indicating the exact opposite, I do not see why this hasn't been removed already. I have personally lived in both rural and urban Ontario and Quebec (St. Catharines, Toronto, Rimouski, Montreal and Quebec City), and Ontario, especially Toronto, is notably more left-wing and liberal than Quebec. Furthermore, recents events, such as in the 'Reasonable Accomodation' in Hérouxville is unparalleled, to my knowledge, in North America. Furthermore, the argument that "Support for military action is much lower in Quebec than any other province" is clearly taken out of context. Quebec lack of support for 'military action' has more to do with an English-French faultline than opposition to war. This statement is trying to over-generalize issues within Quebec for the sake of portraying Quebec as leftist. Isolationist and anti-war are two very different things. Quebecers 'anti-war' tendencies comes from general skepticism of what French Canadians see as being dragged into a war they feel Anglophone Canada in for a country they do not feel apart of. This is in no way similar to left-wing anti-war pro-peace politics. Statesments like "Support for same-sex marriage, abortion and gun control is significantly higher in Quebec than other provinces." have no source, and in the case of 'support for same-sex marriage' and 'abortion' id argue is the exact opposite - there is little support for either other from the people itself, especially outside of Montreal. I will personally remove these unfounded claims that Quebec is 'the most left-wing in Canada and North America' and hopefully we can compile a new, educated and well founded article on Quebec's General political culture." Jagdfurst ( talk) 14:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I do not have an 'Anti-Quebec' bias. I've always been stuanchly pro-Quebec and nothing in my talk page or what I posted on the page itself is anti-Quebec in any way. In what was was it prejudiced and offensive? I don't know why you're on the attack; perhaps you think I was attacking Quebec for being Conservative, while in fact I was praising it. If I did come off as hostile, it was probably because I was so offended that Quebec was being shot down as being 'liberal' and 'left-wing', which, to me, is an insult. Thats my only bias right there. Jagdfurst ( talk) 23:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Why does the Government of Quebec logo have an accent grave on the e? It should read Québec, not « Quèbec ». Is this some kind of weird, picky vandalism? I'm going to attempt to change it.
(Update) Ok, so I don't know how to change it... haha. Maybe someone else can help. —Preceding
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See www.gouv.qc.ca —Preceding
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"The Greater Montreal Area is the most liberal area of Quebec (and all of Canada)" Unless that could be proven, it should be changed. Metropolitan areas usually tend to be further Left than rural areas, many people would say the same about the Greater Toronto Area or I am sure, Vancouver. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.85.176 ( talk) 17:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
"However, even there, it is not as conservative as most of western Canada, or even rural Ontario or New Brunswick." Again, proof? I don't see any. Western Canada maybe I could believe, but that statement is far to vague and generalized to be taken seriously. I mean certain areas of rural Ontario are bastions of NDP support, while the region in the not so distant past has gone entirely liberal. As far as religious and moral beliefs go I've lived in rural Quebec and small town Ontario and I can't say that I have seen that much of a differance regarding way of life or theology being applied to everyday life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.85.176 ( talk) 17:40, 6 September 2007 (UTC) "
"I completely agree, it should either be supported with evidence, which there isn't, or removed immediately". Jagdfurst ( talk) 14:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The whole part about Quebec legally recognising same sex marriage before Ottawa is good evidence to support the argument that the province tends to be very left-leaning on certain social issues (so long as they do not relate to multiculturalism:) However it's mentioned that civil unions had already been legally recognized in Quebec before hand, weren't they originally recognized by the federal government in 2000 or 2001? I don't think Quebec led the way with civil unions, but I could be wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.85.176 ( talk) 17:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
"This is true, Quebec and civil unions was not gay marriage, but rather secular marriage." Jagdfurst ( talk) 14:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I would argue that the title "Politics of Quebec" implies a discussion of the political culture and party political competitions within Quebec. A more accurate title would be "Government Structure in Quebec" (avoiding the term "Provincial government structure" because that would not meet the impartiality rule, Quebec's continuing status as a Canadian province still being the main bone of contention in Quebec political debate). Ken Burch 09:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Should this article include information about Quebec's representation in national Canadian politics such the rise of the Bloc? It now focuses entirely on its politics as an isolated structure. — Cuiviénen ( Cuivië) 03:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I think it made sense to add more recent political history. The Fall of the Meech lake accord introduced a whole new generation of political actors for the 1990's that are still dominant forces today in some cases. A few suggestions:
-- Soul scanner 04:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
If people are interested in adding more on the history of Quebec, they can start by improving the History of Quebec article which badly needs some help. -- Mathieugp 19:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I've restored my additions. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I'm perfectly willing to accept additions and deletions, provided that they are justified. If you truly disagree with a fact in good faith, then please add a citation needed link. Please do not put in 101 requests for documentation for things that you know are facts.
In particular, I think it's important to mention that there are hard-line "indepentistes pur et dur" within the PQ and Bloc who do not believe in Levesques or Bouchards "Association" and "Partnership". We should not ignore them, especially since important figures like Jacques Parizeau and Bernard Landry were among them. Just because you believe in "Association" does not mean that all sovereignists do.
Moreover, I think the Meech Lake accord merits special mention. It's failure precipitated the creation of the Bloc Quebecois, the ADQ, the collapse of the PC's, and two constitutional referenda. It made Lucien Bouchard, Mrio Dumont, and Jean Charest household names in Quebec. -- Soul scanner 04:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Scientific analysis vs the spontaneous theories turned in truths by journalists. At least one study made it abudantly clear that the Bouchard effect is a myth. I'll have to find it again. In the meantime, you can read this:
I inserted the FIRST ever reference(s) in this article today. Looking at various Quebec related articles, it is a repeat of much from others, is filled with personal opinions and/or unsourced claims, and, like many others, is overloaded with "Separatism" material. It is sorely lacking in actual political content. Phinius T2 16:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems incredible to me that Jews and Muslims would have been barred fron Catholic schools until the late 90s, so I've placed a "dubious" tag next to that statement. Joeldl 06:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
FWIW, my parents agreed I would attend a French Roman Catholic church, and the English Protestant school system in the 1960's to 1970's. I was asked my religion by a teacher one time and I responded "Catholic" to which she replied "What are you doing here? This school is only for Protestants and Jews." Now, I understand this doesn't state official policy for the 1990's, but it may help to show that the statement may have a basis in fact. DAG 17:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
"General political culture" 'Quebec is arguably the most left-wing region in Canada and all of North America.' This statement is ridiculously unfounded and offensive. This is based upon 'all french are left-wing' stereotypes. Quebec, being staunchly Roman Catholic, notably anti-immigrant, and especially the voting of a far-right conservative party (Action démocratique du Québec) seemingly out of nowhere, indicates that Quebec is 'arguably' 'the most' conservative and right-wing region in Canada, and yes, 'all of North America'. With no sources, and no more than 10 minutes of research indicating the exact opposite, I do not see why this hasn't been removed already. I have personally lived in both rural and urban Ontario and Quebec (St. Catharines, Toronto, Rimouski, Montreal and Quebec City), and Ontario, especially Toronto, is notably more left-wing and liberal than Quebec. Furthermore, recents events, such as in the 'Reasonable Accomodation' in Hérouxville is unparalleled, to my knowledge, in North America. Furthermore, the argument that "Support for military action is much lower in Quebec than any other province" is clearly taken out of context. Quebec lack of support for 'military action' has more to do with an English-French faultline than opposition to war. This statement is trying to over-generalize issues within Quebec for the sake of portraying Quebec as leftist. Isolationist and anti-war are two very different things. Quebecers 'anti-war' tendencies comes from general skepticism of what French Canadians see as being dragged into a war they feel Anglophone Canada in for a country they do not feel apart of. This is in no way similar to left-wing anti-war pro-peace politics. Statesments like "Support for same-sex marriage, abortion and gun control is significantly higher in Quebec than other provinces." have no source, and in the case of 'support for same-sex marriage' and 'abortion' id argue is the exact opposite - there is little support for either other from the people itself, especially outside of Montreal. I will personally remove these unfounded claims that Quebec is 'the most left-wing in Canada and North America' and hopefully we can compile a new, educated and well founded article on Quebec's General political culture." Jagdfurst ( talk) 14:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I do not have an 'Anti-Quebec' bias. I've always been stuanchly pro-Quebec and nothing in my talk page or what I posted on the page itself is anti-Quebec in any way. In what was was it prejudiced and offensive? I don't know why you're on the attack; perhaps you think I was attacking Quebec for being Conservative, while in fact I was praising it. If I did come off as hostile, it was probably because I was so offended that Quebec was being shot down as being 'liberal' and 'left-wing', which, to me, is an insult. Thats my only bias right there. Jagdfurst ( talk) 23:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Why does the Government of Quebec logo have an accent grave on the e? It should read Québec, not « Quèbec ». Is this some kind of weird, picky vandalism? I'm going to attempt to change it.
(Update) Ok, so I don't know how to change it... haha. Maybe someone else can help. —Preceding
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See www.gouv.qc.ca —Preceding
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