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The subsection labeled "Realignment" is utterly inappropriate. It has nothing to do with the one single source for this section being "wrong," as User:Rjensen brings up. It is simply a matter of proportionality. There are hundreds of journal articles published every year, thousands of newspaper articles, and so on. It it just obviously inappropriate to pick one of these articles, decide you like its thesis, and stick it into a broad high-level overview article. Rjensen's preferred "realignment" section gives this one paper almost as much attention as the entire country's entire judicial system, for example. The Behiels paper asks whether the Conservatives are the new "natural governing party," using a stock phrase referring to the Liberals' longstanding dominance of federal politics, but that dominance is not even covered at all in the current Wiki article.
Of course there is room in the article for a discussion of historical, current, and prospective electoral prospects for all the various political factions. But that is very different from the present thinly sourced Conservative puffery. TiC ( talk) 10:25, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I have come to this page following a request made for a third opinion at WP:3O. I haven't interacted with either of the editors engaged in discussion and I haven't edited this article before, so I would suggest I am sufficiently neutral to offer an opinion. I'm not really here to vote for one opinion or the other but to help find a way forward that's beneficial for the article and the editors involved.
I think the current section gives WP:UNDUE weight to a single source and a particular POV. This is not to say that it is not valid, but that it doesn't seem very balanced to present one source as the basis for an entire section. I only looked at the WP:3O page 40 minutes ago, so haven't been able to view the source yet, but does Behiels list the "great many journalists, political advisors, and politicians" or is it just an assertion? From a quick Google there is clearly comething afoot in the Canadian political landscape, sources such as this from the Journal for International Relations and Global Trends and this paper about the Canadian conservative governments foreign policy being based around the aim of becoming the "natural governing party". There are decent looking blog articles noting it too, so there must be further, better sources out there.
I think the information would be better portrayed in a manner similar to Politics of UK#Current political landscape (which is actually out of date...) or Politics of Australia#Contemporary Australian national politics, rather than under a heading of Realignment, which is too specific.
Finally, I looked at Realigning election and discovered that Rjensen has added Behiels' work there as well. Does the phrase in that article "...argue that a new political party paradigm is emerging, one based on the drive for a right-wing political party capable of reconfiguring the role of the state – federal and provincial – in twenty-first-century." and in this article as "They see a new power configuration based on a right-wing political party capable of sharply changing the traditional role of the state – federal and provincial – in twenty-first-century" need quotes in the article, as it is repeated in both places – is it a WP:PARAPHRASE of Behiels' article or reformulated for inclusion in the articles?
Thoughts? Bigger digger ( talk) 16:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
The section called "Conservatives in power" has some serious POV bias. Using a single primary source, it suggests that there have been a realignment of Canadian political thought in favour of the Conservatives. This is totally false. In fact, despite their recent slew of election victories, the Conservative popular vote in Canada is at or near their all-time low. One has to only look at the recent election results and do the math. During the 1980s conservative popular vote was substantially above 50% of the popular vote. This trend continued in the 1990s, but was splitting the vote between two conservative parties (the PC and Alliance), leading to successive Liberal majorities. This phenomenon ended in the 2000s with the merger of the two parties. The real reason for the Liberal party's demise and the Conservative party's ascent is the New Democratic Party which has gained significant support in every election in the 2000s, eventually pushing the Liberal party (as well as the BQ) into the background. The NDP's rise has caused a vote-split in seat-rich Ontario in the Conservatives' favour.
I will try to look for some sources and redo the section. Poyani ( talk) 18:05, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
I was looking to do some research into Canadian politics and I'm a little baffled at the final section of this article labelled "multiculturalism". Specifically, "...it calls into question exactly what has become of true Canadian culture, and what it means to be Canadian. Bannerji (1996) suggests that diversity and multiculturalism in Canada is just a superficial celebration of non-Anglo-European citizens; it has become a top-down strategy of disguised colonialism designed to let the state exploit immigrants and devolve the immigration process."
The article provides zero context to explain why Bannerji's opinions are important or relevant to Canadian policy. Are immigrants being used to create downward pressure on wages? Does this have to do with NAFTA and foreign influence related? How are foreigners being used in "disguised colonialism" if the "colonists" are merely foreign nationals? As a stranger to Canadian politics, I have to infer this is maybe a national socialist perspective since multiculturalism and "disguised colonialism" are often things they complain about, given they believe foreigners dilute their gene pool or culture. I don't know enough about Canadian politics to make any changes right now or elaborate on this section, so would it be possible for someone to shine some light on it? YellowSandals ( talk) 21:32, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
As a Canadian, I would like to add that I have no idea where this viewpoint is coming from, and would appreciate some clarification on this. DC123456789 ( talk) 22:18, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Just some questions about the bias reflected in some actual facts that are not consistent with the material presented and may warrant a further examination of the true facts.
1. Multi-party system ? Not really, it is a three party system.
2. True democracy ? Not really, most people get elected at the local level with less than 40% of the vote, in a first past the post electing system.
3. The Prime Minister is not directly elected, and if he or she gets a majority of the vote, he or she get most if not all the power.
4. The power, is a direct result of the fear of a failed vote, and having to call an election.
The article claims that far-right politics have never been prominent in Canada, but those sources backing up the claim were made before the PPC and the trucker convoy, which have become far more prominent in Canada, especially the latter. So is it really appropriate to say that far-right politics have never been prominent in Canada anymore? X-Editor ( talk) 23:53, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
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The V-Dem citation for Canada being the 19th ranked democracy links to 4 sets of data, and 5 technical reports. For the purposes of a citation, that’s not very helpful, as the reader who wants to follow up would have to download all those materials and then hunt for the rankings. Can a more specific citation to the V-Dem data be provided? Is there an executive summary somewhere? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz ( talk) 15:25, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
The article says this, "The historically predominant Liberals position themselves at the centre of the political scale, with the Conservatives sitting on the right and the New Democratic Party occupying the left."
But in 2012, Justin Trudeau explicitly stated that any person with even one socially conservative position would not be allowed to run for parliament, and all Liberal Party MPs were expected to vote for ALL socially liberal positions going forward. That clearly places the party well left of centre. So, I think the above is an inaccurate statement. 74.98.11.129 ( talk) 16:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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The subsection labeled "Realignment" is utterly inappropriate. It has nothing to do with the one single source for this section being "wrong," as User:Rjensen brings up. It is simply a matter of proportionality. There are hundreds of journal articles published every year, thousands of newspaper articles, and so on. It it just obviously inappropriate to pick one of these articles, decide you like its thesis, and stick it into a broad high-level overview article. Rjensen's preferred "realignment" section gives this one paper almost as much attention as the entire country's entire judicial system, for example. The Behiels paper asks whether the Conservatives are the new "natural governing party," using a stock phrase referring to the Liberals' longstanding dominance of federal politics, but that dominance is not even covered at all in the current Wiki article.
Of course there is room in the article for a discussion of historical, current, and prospective electoral prospects for all the various political factions. But that is very different from the present thinly sourced Conservative puffery. TiC ( talk) 10:25, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I have come to this page following a request made for a third opinion at WP:3O. I haven't interacted with either of the editors engaged in discussion and I haven't edited this article before, so I would suggest I am sufficiently neutral to offer an opinion. I'm not really here to vote for one opinion or the other but to help find a way forward that's beneficial for the article and the editors involved.
I think the current section gives WP:UNDUE weight to a single source and a particular POV. This is not to say that it is not valid, but that it doesn't seem very balanced to present one source as the basis for an entire section. I only looked at the WP:3O page 40 minutes ago, so haven't been able to view the source yet, but does Behiels list the "great many journalists, political advisors, and politicians" or is it just an assertion? From a quick Google there is clearly comething afoot in the Canadian political landscape, sources such as this from the Journal for International Relations and Global Trends and this paper about the Canadian conservative governments foreign policy being based around the aim of becoming the "natural governing party". There are decent looking blog articles noting it too, so there must be further, better sources out there.
I think the information would be better portrayed in a manner similar to Politics of UK#Current political landscape (which is actually out of date...) or Politics of Australia#Contemporary Australian national politics, rather than under a heading of Realignment, which is too specific.
Finally, I looked at Realigning election and discovered that Rjensen has added Behiels' work there as well. Does the phrase in that article "...argue that a new political party paradigm is emerging, one based on the drive for a right-wing political party capable of reconfiguring the role of the state – federal and provincial – in twenty-first-century." and in this article as "They see a new power configuration based on a right-wing political party capable of sharply changing the traditional role of the state – federal and provincial – in twenty-first-century" need quotes in the article, as it is repeated in both places – is it a WP:PARAPHRASE of Behiels' article or reformulated for inclusion in the articles?
Thoughts? Bigger digger ( talk) 16:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
The section called "Conservatives in power" has some serious POV bias. Using a single primary source, it suggests that there have been a realignment of Canadian political thought in favour of the Conservatives. This is totally false. In fact, despite their recent slew of election victories, the Conservative popular vote in Canada is at or near their all-time low. One has to only look at the recent election results and do the math. During the 1980s conservative popular vote was substantially above 50% of the popular vote. This trend continued in the 1990s, but was splitting the vote between two conservative parties (the PC and Alliance), leading to successive Liberal majorities. This phenomenon ended in the 2000s with the merger of the two parties. The real reason for the Liberal party's demise and the Conservative party's ascent is the New Democratic Party which has gained significant support in every election in the 2000s, eventually pushing the Liberal party (as well as the BQ) into the background. The NDP's rise has caused a vote-split in seat-rich Ontario in the Conservatives' favour.
I will try to look for some sources and redo the section. Poyani ( talk) 18:05, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
I was looking to do some research into Canadian politics and I'm a little baffled at the final section of this article labelled "multiculturalism". Specifically, "...it calls into question exactly what has become of true Canadian culture, and what it means to be Canadian. Bannerji (1996) suggests that diversity and multiculturalism in Canada is just a superficial celebration of non-Anglo-European citizens; it has become a top-down strategy of disguised colonialism designed to let the state exploit immigrants and devolve the immigration process."
The article provides zero context to explain why Bannerji's opinions are important or relevant to Canadian policy. Are immigrants being used to create downward pressure on wages? Does this have to do with NAFTA and foreign influence related? How are foreigners being used in "disguised colonialism" if the "colonists" are merely foreign nationals? As a stranger to Canadian politics, I have to infer this is maybe a national socialist perspective since multiculturalism and "disguised colonialism" are often things they complain about, given they believe foreigners dilute their gene pool or culture. I don't know enough about Canadian politics to make any changes right now or elaborate on this section, so would it be possible for someone to shine some light on it? YellowSandals ( talk) 21:32, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
As a Canadian, I would like to add that I have no idea where this viewpoint is coming from, and would appreciate some clarification on this. DC123456789 ( talk) 22:18, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Just some questions about the bias reflected in some actual facts that are not consistent with the material presented and may warrant a further examination of the true facts.
1. Multi-party system ? Not really, it is a three party system.
2. True democracy ? Not really, most people get elected at the local level with less than 40% of the vote, in a first past the post electing system.
3. The Prime Minister is not directly elected, and if he or she gets a majority of the vote, he or she get most if not all the power.
4. The power, is a direct result of the fear of a failed vote, and having to call an election.
The article claims that far-right politics have never been prominent in Canada, but those sources backing up the claim were made before the PPC and the trucker convoy, which have become far more prominent in Canada, especially the latter. So is it really appropriate to say that far-right politics have never been prominent in Canada anymore? X-Editor ( talk) 23:53, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 23:27, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
The V-Dem citation for Canada being the 19th ranked democracy links to 4 sets of data, and 5 technical reports. For the purposes of a citation, that’s not very helpful, as the reader who wants to follow up would have to download all those materials and then hunt for the rankings. Can a more specific citation to the V-Dem data be provided? Is there an executive summary somewhere? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz ( talk) 15:25, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
The article says this, "The historically predominant Liberals position themselves at the centre of the political scale, with the Conservatives sitting on the right and the New Democratic Party occupying the left."
But in 2012, Justin Trudeau explicitly stated that any person with even one socially conservative position would not be allowed to run for parliament, and all Liberal Party MPs were expected to vote for ALL socially liberal positions going forward. That clearly places the party well left of centre. So, I think the above is an inaccurate statement. 74.98.11.129 ( talk) 16:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)