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Akir is pretty propular for his deep involvement and his music also as a political rapper so shouldnt he go here?
arent these two political hip hop groups that should be included on this list they should be instead of rappers like chamillionaire
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May be useful for improving the article... it sure isn't looking too good right now... east.718 at 06:11, July 2, 2008
Should
Radical hip-hop" redirect here? All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 15:55, 3 May 2014 (UTC).
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2022 and 16 December 2022. Further details are available
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"Conscious Rap" is an established term used in Hip Hop Culture. It is a derivative of the Black Consciousness Movement "Political Rap" is like "Political Rock" these describe music but are not actual terms from the music culture itself. For some reason kept reverting my new title "Conscious Rap and Political Hip Hop" back to just 'Political hip hop'. Thus, what happens when you look up "Conscious Rap" in google is 'Political Rap' does come up but many other articles with "Conscious Rap" in the actual article title do come up. So what can happen is people are more often looking for the more popular term "Conscious Rap" and they just skip the Wikipedia and go to these other articles.
Three random books with "Conscious Rap" in the title, just to show it's a recognized term (and a large nomber of articles if you search google):
* Nation Conscious Rap by Joseph D. Eure and James G. Spady | Jan 1, 1991
* Street Conscious Rap by James G. Spady , H. Samy Alim, et al. | Sep 28, 1999
* KENDRICK LAMAR THE KING OF CONSCIOUS RAP: A story of a Compton kid who became a global superstar and the Most Influential Rapper of His Generation (Journey ... US Country and folk musicians series.)| by Paul C. Andrew | Oct 10, 2023 Central16 ( talk) 09:28, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
It is better not to make lengthy lists of examples, especially in the lead section which is supposed to be a concise summary of the rest of the article. One or two make the point without bloating the lead. MrOllie ( talk) 23:07, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
This is a previous late January version which keeps getting reverted to, the opening paragraph to the whole article:
Political hip hop is a subgenre of hip hop music that was developed in the 1980s as a way of turning hip hop into a form of political activism. Political hip hop generally uses the medium of hip hop music to comment on sociopolitical issues and send political messages to inspire action, create social change, or to convince the listener of a particular worldview. It was inspired partially by politically-focused 1970s artists such as The Last Poets and Gil Scott-Heron, as well as the Black Power movement and revolutionary politics of the 1960s and 1970s. Various hip hop artists emerged in the 1980s espousing political messages and providing social and political commentary, with the American group Public Enemy in particular establishing themselves as one of the first predominantly political hip hop groups. The genre has helped to create a new form of social expression for subordinate groups to speak about their exclusions, injustices, and lack of power.
Yet the two major albums putting the Political hip hop on the map in terms of artists doing it as their main style are KRS-One's with his album By All Means Necessary (1988) under his group Boogie Down Productions and It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back by Public Enemy also in 1988. In the Wikipedia entry for KRS-One's By All Means Necessary it says:
"The album (By All Means Necessary ) is widely seen as one of, if not the first, politically conscious efforts in hip-hop. AllMusic critic Steve Huey described the album as a landmark of political hip hop"
KRS-One along with Public Enemy are the primary influences on Political Hip Hop, of which in 1988 and beyond there would be a new trend of artists following in 1989 into the 90s and to an extent ongoing yet KRS-One's name is not even mentioned and Boogie Down Productions only once. I don't understand it. KRS-One was the main artist at the time theorizing about Hip Hop and focusing on social and political commentary for whole albums not only in his music but in public appearances and interviews. His persona was "The Teacher" and he called his music "edutainment". I don't understand why he is getting under-represented on this article. This is Hip Hop 101, it's not even a point of controversy and Chuck D has already acknowledged his influence in interviews. Any book on the history of Hip Hop will says this. KRS One's By All Means Necessary is widely seen as one of, if not the first, politically conscious efforts in hip-hop > Wikipedia And Grandmaster Flash's song the Message of 1982 is duly noted in the Origins and development sections of a conscious rap song before artists were known for their primary style and most songs being conscious or political. KRS and Chuck D paved the waved for this any music critic or Golden era Hip Hop artist will attest to this
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Akir is pretty propular for his deep involvement and his music also as a political rapper so shouldnt he go here?
arent these two political hip hop groups that should be included on this list they should be instead of rappers like chamillionaire
A bunch of newspaper articles... |
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...some books... |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
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...and a scholarly work. |
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May be useful for improving the article... it sure isn't looking too good right now... east.718 at 06:11, July 2, 2008
Should
Radical hip-hop" redirect here? All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 15:55, 3 May 2014 (UTC).
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2022 and 16 December 2022. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Bdenson7718 (
article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Bdenson7718 ( talk) 22:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
"Conscious Rap" is an established term used in Hip Hop Culture. It is a derivative of the Black Consciousness Movement "Political Rap" is like "Political Rock" these describe music but are not actual terms from the music culture itself. For some reason kept reverting my new title "Conscious Rap and Political Hip Hop" back to just 'Political hip hop'. Thus, what happens when you look up "Conscious Rap" in google is 'Political Rap' does come up but many other articles with "Conscious Rap" in the actual article title do come up. So what can happen is people are more often looking for the more popular term "Conscious Rap" and they just skip the Wikipedia and go to these other articles.
Three random books with "Conscious Rap" in the title, just to show it's a recognized term (and a large nomber of articles if you search google):
* Nation Conscious Rap by Joseph D. Eure and James G. Spady | Jan 1, 1991
* Street Conscious Rap by James G. Spady , H. Samy Alim, et al. | Sep 28, 1999
* KENDRICK LAMAR THE KING OF CONSCIOUS RAP: A story of a Compton kid who became a global superstar and the Most Influential Rapper of His Generation (Journey ... US Country and folk musicians series.)| by Paul C. Andrew | Oct 10, 2023 Central16 ( talk) 09:28, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
It is better not to make lengthy lists of examples, especially in the lead section which is supposed to be a concise summary of the rest of the article. One or two make the point without bloating the lead. MrOllie ( talk) 23:07, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
This is a previous late January version which keeps getting reverted to, the opening paragraph to the whole article:
Political hip hop is a subgenre of hip hop music that was developed in the 1980s as a way of turning hip hop into a form of political activism. Political hip hop generally uses the medium of hip hop music to comment on sociopolitical issues and send political messages to inspire action, create social change, or to convince the listener of a particular worldview. It was inspired partially by politically-focused 1970s artists such as The Last Poets and Gil Scott-Heron, as well as the Black Power movement and revolutionary politics of the 1960s and 1970s. Various hip hop artists emerged in the 1980s espousing political messages and providing social and political commentary, with the American group Public Enemy in particular establishing themselves as one of the first predominantly political hip hop groups. The genre has helped to create a new form of social expression for subordinate groups to speak about their exclusions, injustices, and lack of power.
Yet the two major albums putting the Political hip hop on the map in terms of artists doing it as their main style are KRS-One's with his album By All Means Necessary (1988) under his group Boogie Down Productions and It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back by Public Enemy also in 1988. In the Wikipedia entry for KRS-One's By All Means Necessary it says:
"The album (By All Means Necessary ) is widely seen as one of, if not the first, politically conscious efforts in hip-hop. AllMusic critic Steve Huey described the album as a landmark of political hip hop"
KRS-One along with Public Enemy are the primary influences on Political Hip Hop, of which in 1988 and beyond there would be a new trend of artists following in 1989 into the 90s and to an extent ongoing yet KRS-One's name is not even mentioned and Boogie Down Productions only once. I don't understand it. KRS-One was the main artist at the time theorizing about Hip Hop and focusing on social and political commentary for whole albums not only in his music but in public appearances and interviews. His persona was "The Teacher" and he called his music "edutainment". I don't understand why he is getting under-represented on this article. This is Hip Hop 101, it's not even a point of controversy and Chuck D has already acknowledged his influence in interviews. Any book on the history of Hip Hop will says this. KRS One's By All Means Necessary is widely seen as one of, if not the first, politically conscious efforts in hip-hop > Wikipedia And Grandmaster Flash's song the Message of 1982 is duly noted in the Origins and development sections of a conscious rap song before artists were known for their primary style and most songs being conscious or political. KRS and Chuck D paved the waved for this any music critic or Golden era Hip Hop artist will attest to this