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I'm not seeing any angles quantifying the precession. Is it 5 degrees, or 25 degrees, or what? Where was it pointed half a cycle ago (13,000 years ago) and how far away from Polaris (by perspective angle) is that? Br77rino ( talk) 08:46, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
This article is rather thin. North Star and South Star are a pair of short pages that somewhat duplicate this one and each other. Further, all three admit their incompleteness by directing the reader to others of the set for more information. One, more substantial, article could be formed by merging the other two into the appropriate sections of this one.
If there are no strong objections, I plan to accomplish the merge in March 2009.
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23:26, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Pluto is currently included in the list of planets, but it is no longer recognized as such. So, the table of planets should read from Mercury through to Neptune. Pluto should be referred to as a dwarf planet, its official designation. It may keep its pole star (heh). 68Kustom ( talk) 04:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
With this edit on June 24, 2009, Robogun ( talk · contribs) created the section Pole star#Precession by copying the section Precession (astronomy)#Changing pole stars without attribution. Please see the page history for appropriate attribution. Novangelis ( talk) 19:16, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I realize that Polaris is "currently" the pole star, and that there may in theory be others. The problem is that there aren't. The only star that has historically ever been described as "pole star" is Polaris. Indeed "[stella] Polaris" means nothing else but "pole star". Hence it is misleading and a potential WP:CFORK to keep these pages separate.
It is true that Polaris is only "currently" the pole star, and that a thousand years ago, and in a thousand years' time, there will be no pole star. Well, 2000 years is a pretty good expectation for the usefulness of any Wikipedia article.
The statement that "Currently, there is no South Star as useful as Polaris" sounds as if this may change any day, and yes, Wikipedia will keep you updated as soon as new developments arise. This may be the case in as little as another five millennia. Enough to tag this article with {{ current}}? -- dab (𒁳) 18:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
GenacGenac ( talk) 19:09, 30 December 2016 (UTC) Agree with your conclusion, but your premises are out of line.
I made two small changes to the article. 1: The presence of a 19th magnitude star near the north celestial pole is irrelevant to the topic. 2: The north star is not visible south of the equator. It's true that refraction lifts the stars but extinction makes fainter stars like Polaris invisible to the naked eye at lower latitudes. The north star (today) is visible from about 3 degrees north and above. 2600:1000:B003:733C:CCD0:F7AA:265E:924D ( talk) 15:33, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Also a few runners-up
Object name (bolded if official name) |
RA | DEC | magnitude (approx) |
---|---|---|---|
USNOA2 1725-00522696 | 15h 58m 30s | +89° 59′ 25.1″ | 19 |
J0518+8959 | 05h 18m 00s | +89° 59′ 19.7″ | 19.5 |
USNOA2 1725-00681665 | 21h 07m 00s | +89° 58′ 57.3″ | 18.5 |
USNOA2 1725-00034254 A | 00h 43m 00s | +89° 58′ 38.6″ | 17.5 |
USNOA2 1725-00119402 | 02h 40m 00s | +89° 58′ 36.8″ | 19 |
J1308+8959 suspected galaxy |
13h 08m 30s | +89° 58′ 37.1″ | 18.5 |
USNOA2 1725-00034254 B | 00h 46m 40s | +89° 58′ 36.6″ | 18.75 |
USNOA2 1725-00440484 | 12h 44m 30s | +89° 58′ 27.7″ | 16.25 |
J2252+8958 | 22h 52m 00s | +89° 58′ 23.8″ | 19.25 |
USNOA2 1725-00224203 | 05h 18m 15s | +89° 58′ 20.5″ | 18 |
Polaris (for scale) |
02h 31m 42s | +89° 15′ 53″ | 2 |
Just thought I'd put this here for now exoplanetaryscience ( talk) 00:03, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Object name (sp. type) | RA | DEC | magnitude |
---|---|---|---|
Polaris F7Ib | 02h 31m 42s | +89° 15′ 53″ | 2.02 |
Lambda Ursae Minoris M1III | 17h 16m 55s | +89° 02′ 16″ | 6.38 |
HD 5914 A3V | 01h 33m 51s | +89° 00′ 56″ | 6.46 |
HD 107192 F2V | 12h 15m 20s | +87° 42′ 00″ | 6.28 |
HD 221525 A7IV | 23h 26m 59.5s | +87° 18′ 27.5″ | 5.58 |
HD 6319 K2III | 01h 16m 13s | +87° 08′ 43.5″ | 6.25 |
HD 51802 M2III | 07h 40m 31s | +87° 01′ 13″ | 5.07 |
Object name (sp. type) | RA | DEC | magnitude |
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Sirius A1V | 06h 45m 08.92s | −16° 42′ 58.02″ | -1.47 |
Arcturus KOIII | 14h 15m 39.7s | +19° 10′ 57″ | -0.04 |
Vega A0Va | 18h 36m 56.34s | +38° 47′ 01.28″ | 0.03 |
Capella G1III | 05h 16m 41.36s | +45° 59′ 52.77″ | 0.08 |
Epsilon Ursae Majoris A1III | 12h 54m 01.75s | +55° 57′ 35.36″ | 1.77 |
Alpha Ursae Majoris G9III | 11h 03m 43.67s | +61° 45′ 03.72″ | 1.79 |
Polaris F7Ib | 02h 31m 42s | +89° 15′ 53″ | 2.02 |
HD 1687 K0 | 00h 39m 42s | +89° 26′ 40.0″ | 8.13 |
HD 21070 A5 | 09h 46m 25s | +89° 34′ 10.3″ | 9.05 |
TYC 4629-37-1 K2 | 04h 42m 49s | +89° 37′ 49″ | 9.16 |
TYC 4661-2-1 A0 | 21h 16m 52s | +89° 46′ 27.1″ | 9.66 |
TYC 4643-26-1 ~K5 | 08h 12m 25s | +89° 49′ 54.6″ | 11.16 |
USNOA2 1725-00386335 ~G | 10h 17m 00s | +89° 54′ 40.2″ | 13.05 |
USNOA2 1725-00277543 G/K | 06h 44m 00s | +89° 57′ 17.1″ | 13.85 |
USNOA2 1725-00491197 F/G | 14h 50m 30s | +89° 57′ 46.2″ | 14.60 |
USNOA2 1725-00440484 K5-9 | 12h 44m 00s | +89° 58′ 27.6″ | 16.35 |
USNOA2 1725-00034254A ? | 00h 43m 00s | +89° 58′ 38.3″ | 17.4 |
USNOA2 1725-00681665 F/G/K | 21h 07m 00s | +89° 58′ 57.4″ | 18.5 |
USNOA2 1725-00522696 G/K/M | 15h 58m 33s | +89° 59′ 25.4″ | 19.05 |
galaxy(?) | 10h 00m 00s | +89° 59′ 56.6″ | 20/21 |
1. Медуза Горгона и Поляриссима тождественные понятия. Прецессия вращения Земли создает картину звездного неба, на которой все светила вращаются вокруг одной точки. Местоположение этой точки медленно очерчивает линию вокруг созвездия Дракона с периодом вращения приблизительно 26000 лет. «Круг славы» или если угодно Славянский круг. Души умерших являются, носителями жизненного опыта и направляются в круг славы к духам предков. Круг Славы существует в подсознании многих языковых групп. Однокоренные слова в языках народов Севера имеют отчетливую генетическую связь. Слова «седой» и «Седава» - неподвижная звезда; Старый и английское «STAR» - главная звезда. Санта Клаус, колокол и Колотун –бабай от древнего названия «Кола». 2. Звезды, оказывающиеся, на пути небесного полюса называются Медуза Горгона «Хранительницами Круга славы». Чаще всего это две или три близлежащие Звезды одна, из которых, как правило, будущая или бывшая полярная. С их помощью путники безошибочно определяют направление на северный полюс. История Медузы Горгоны не что иное, как отражение судьбы полярной. Восхождение Звёзд на небесный трон вызывает расцвет цивилизаций. Пегас, рожденный Горгоной, покровительствует писателям и поэтам. Крисаор помогает великим ученым постичь тайны мироздания. Длительное отсутствие звёзд рядом с мировым полюсом вызвало небывалый упадок культуры, разрушение институтов власти массовое переселение народов, но вместе с тем зарождение новых мировых религий. Начало нового летоисчисления проводит черту «до и после». Прерывается связь времен, а главное связь с предками. Заратуштра предсказал появление Христианской религии в этот период. Как мы видим, хранителем и проводником опыта земного проживания людей стал человек с необычными способностями. Возможно, таких людей было много. Аватары пришедшие по их словам с той или иной Звезды появляются на Земле, в трудные времена их слова обладают огромной духовной силой и цитируются тысячелетиями. Круг замкнулся. В 1100 г.н.э. на полюс мира взошла очередная полярная Звезда. Сказка о Белоснежке и семи гномах, Царевне и семи богатырях рассказывают нам о приходе новой полярной в созвездье Ковша малой медведицы, в древности, считавшейся крылом Дракона. На конце ручки ковша, находится Киносура «собачий хвост». Трех звездная система состоит из Звезды гиганта и двух карликов, вращающихся вокруг него на различном удалении. Похожие на Солнце они имеют сложную планетную систему. На одном из спутников живёт Раса людей-гигантов, которые сохраняют в себе опыт жизни землян. Звезда окончательно взойдёт на трон через сто лет, но и сейчас уже дух захватывает от темпов развития науки, искусства. 3. Нынешняя полярная почиталась древними греками, как кормилица царей, спасшая Зевса от гнева отца. Индусы считали ее Родиной орлов, на которых, летал Вишну. Именно отсюда приходят на землю Аватары Всевышнего. Bold text — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saarmatti ( talk • contribs) 05:38, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
GenacGenac ( talk) 19:06, 30 December 2016 (UTC) "Better" than one degree means "greater"? "Less"?
The claim that "Polaris was known as Phoenicie because the Phoenicians used it for navigation" is poorly referenced. I believe that Cynosura came to be used as a name for the entire constellation of Ursa Minor, and the claim that "Cynosura" was used by the Phoenicians may in fact amount to the claim that the entire constellation was taken to indicate roughly northern direction, without the implication that Alpha Ursae Minoris was singled out -- which would make perfect sense, because at the time Beta Ursae Minoris was still significantly closer to the pole than Alpha Ursae Minoris. Either way, we also still need the authority just for the claim that "Cynosura" was used for navigation in antiquity. -- dab (𒁳) 07:12, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
I have just realised for the first time that stella maris was used of the Blessed Virgin since Late Antiquity, at least according to
Eucherius Lugdunensis (d. 449), Instructiones (PL 50 0811C), "Hebraeorum nominum interpretatio":
So the claim is that the name "Mary" in Hebrew means "illumined" or "star of the sea". This might even predate the identification of Polaris as the pole-star (because it was barely close enough to the pole in the 5th century to serve that purpose, although it would by then have been slightly closer than Kochab). Hence I have to seriously ask myself if the gloss stella maris predates the interpretation pole-star, and the pole-star was later named stella maris, as it were after Mary? More literature research is needed here. -- dab (𒁳) 12:52, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
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Can a list of all the stars in the cycle be added? The only unlisted star I know for sure is Vega. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.152.242 ( talk) 00:06, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Why is the voyage of Christopher Columbus here? There is nothing novel about his journey in relation to the pole star, he did not advance navigation in any way shape or form, and it feels fairly unrelated. Why not Magellan, or Vasco De Gama? I propose deletion, and will check back in a few days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.255.38.129 ( talk) 23:20, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
The table of what stars will be pole stars during the precession of the axis would be more valuable if it also included when each star will be the pole star. Skepticalgiraffe ( talk) 21:06, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Hello there Wikipedia content editors with celestial knowledge.
I have no idea why these two pages have developed separately on essentially the same subject, and there seems to be substantial ambiguity in this page, likely as a legacy.
The lead section here is attempting to define both a generic celestial pole star, and also the Earth's particular pole star, Polaris, the North Star, which has already a substantial page and scientific description (there is presently NO south pole star).
What they appear to be shooting for is
A Pole star = generic astronomical pole star.
Polaris = Earth's pole star, Polaris
It has been alluded to previously, this potential merge, and the "thin article" here. No action has been obvious and the page has grown since.
To avoid all the duplication and the contingent inaccuracies, I suggest this article be pared down to represent only what is in its title, and direct The Pole Star, to Polaris early into the article.
I will make a start on removing some duplication, which could be substantial. There is different good information both here and under Polaris. The more precise location for Earth's North Pole star information is under Polaris, for any and all good copy.
I don't wish to see good information lost, and by the same token if it is here and refers to Polaris it should be located only there. This avoids not only duplication but also the information not being found where it should be.
If you have other thoughts and concerns to improve the encyclopedic value, please bring them forward here, but two North Star pages is not right. Ssaco ( talk) 23:41, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Why does Polar Star redirects to Pole star without offering a disambiguation selection?
Polar Star is used as a name for several ships. I know you will find them under the disambiguation polestar, but that is quite a different word. Jochum ( talk) 14:04, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
The text says that Gemma Frisius determined the distance of Polaris from the north celestial pole as 3°7'. I checked the reference given and the figure in the book is actually 3°8'. Trivial, I know, but inconsistent. The same inconsistency occurs in the Polaris entry. Presumably the original Wikipedia editor mistyped. Anyone think it worth changing? Skeptic2 ( talk) 08:15, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
The caption for the video says that the southern cross is clearly visible. As someone unfamiliar with the southern sky, I can't find it even after 10 rewatches, so I disagree with the statement. Perhaps the text should rather describe where the cross is, if possible. Jack Daw ( talk) 10:20, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
In the section 'Precession of the equinoxes' it states that "Deneb, will be a distant 7° from the pole, never close enough to be taken as marking the pole", but in the chart below claims that "will become the North Star at about 9,800 AD".
Also, lower in the section it states "There will also be periods during the cycle when bright stars give only an approximate guide to "north", as they may be greater than 5° of angular diameter removed from direct alignment with the north celestial pole" suggesting 5 degrees as the limit, but this statement is not backed up by its citation which says nothing about degrees, or the usability of a star.
So, is there an official definition of degrees to determine a star to be The pole star? Strangerpete ( talk) 16:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
What does it mean for a star to "become the pole star"? Seems to me it depends on the relative weights given to brightness and proximity (and perhaps other criteria). I suggest replacing such language with the date when the star is nearest to the pole. —Tamfang ( talk) 21:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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I'm not seeing any angles quantifying the precession. Is it 5 degrees, or 25 degrees, or what? Where was it pointed half a cycle ago (13,000 years ago) and how far away from Polaris (by perspective angle) is that? Br77rino ( talk) 08:46, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
This article is rather thin. North Star and South Star are a pair of short pages that somewhat duplicate this one and each other. Further, all three admit their incompleteness by directing the reader to others of the set for more information. One, more substantial, article could be formed by merging the other two into the appropriate sections of this one.
If there are no strong objections, I plan to accomplish the merge in March 2009.
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23:26, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Pluto is currently included in the list of planets, but it is no longer recognized as such. So, the table of planets should read from Mercury through to Neptune. Pluto should be referred to as a dwarf planet, its official designation. It may keep its pole star (heh). 68Kustom ( talk) 04:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
With this edit on June 24, 2009, Robogun ( talk · contribs) created the section Pole star#Precession by copying the section Precession (astronomy)#Changing pole stars without attribution. Please see the page history for appropriate attribution. Novangelis ( talk) 19:16, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I realize that Polaris is "currently" the pole star, and that there may in theory be others. The problem is that there aren't. The only star that has historically ever been described as "pole star" is Polaris. Indeed "[stella] Polaris" means nothing else but "pole star". Hence it is misleading and a potential WP:CFORK to keep these pages separate.
It is true that Polaris is only "currently" the pole star, and that a thousand years ago, and in a thousand years' time, there will be no pole star. Well, 2000 years is a pretty good expectation for the usefulness of any Wikipedia article.
The statement that "Currently, there is no South Star as useful as Polaris" sounds as if this may change any day, and yes, Wikipedia will keep you updated as soon as new developments arise. This may be the case in as little as another five millennia. Enough to tag this article with {{ current}}? -- dab (𒁳) 18:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
GenacGenac ( talk) 19:09, 30 December 2016 (UTC) Agree with your conclusion, but your premises are out of line.
I made two small changes to the article. 1: The presence of a 19th magnitude star near the north celestial pole is irrelevant to the topic. 2: The north star is not visible south of the equator. It's true that refraction lifts the stars but extinction makes fainter stars like Polaris invisible to the naked eye at lower latitudes. The north star (today) is visible from about 3 degrees north and above. 2600:1000:B003:733C:CCD0:F7AA:265E:924D ( talk) 15:33, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Also a few runners-up
Object name (bolded if official name) |
RA | DEC | magnitude (approx) |
---|---|---|---|
USNOA2 1725-00522696 | 15h 58m 30s | +89° 59′ 25.1″ | 19 |
J0518+8959 | 05h 18m 00s | +89° 59′ 19.7″ | 19.5 |
USNOA2 1725-00681665 | 21h 07m 00s | +89° 58′ 57.3″ | 18.5 |
USNOA2 1725-00034254 A | 00h 43m 00s | +89° 58′ 38.6″ | 17.5 |
USNOA2 1725-00119402 | 02h 40m 00s | +89° 58′ 36.8″ | 19 |
J1308+8959 suspected galaxy |
13h 08m 30s | +89° 58′ 37.1″ | 18.5 |
USNOA2 1725-00034254 B | 00h 46m 40s | +89° 58′ 36.6″ | 18.75 |
USNOA2 1725-00440484 | 12h 44m 30s | +89° 58′ 27.7″ | 16.25 |
J2252+8958 | 22h 52m 00s | +89° 58′ 23.8″ | 19.25 |
USNOA2 1725-00224203 | 05h 18m 15s | +89° 58′ 20.5″ | 18 |
Polaris (for scale) |
02h 31m 42s | +89° 15′ 53″ | 2 |
Just thought I'd put this here for now exoplanetaryscience ( talk) 00:03, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Object name (sp. type) | RA | DEC | magnitude |
---|---|---|---|
Polaris F7Ib | 02h 31m 42s | +89° 15′ 53″ | 2.02 |
Lambda Ursae Minoris M1III | 17h 16m 55s | +89° 02′ 16″ | 6.38 |
HD 5914 A3V | 01h 33m 51s | +89° 00′ 56″ | 6.46 |
HD 107192 F2V | 12h 15m 20s | +87° 42′ 00″ | 6.28 |
HD 221525 A7IV | 23h 26m 59.5s | +87° 18′ 27.5″ | 5.58 |
HD 6319 K2III | 01h 16m 13s | +87° 08′ 43.5″ | 6.25 |
HD 51802 M2III | 07h 40m 31s | +87° 01′ 13″ | 5.07 |
Object name (sp. type) | RA | DEC | magnitude |
---|---|---|---|
Sirius A1V | 06h 45m 08.92s | −16° 42′ 58.02″ | -1.47 |
Arcturus KOIII | 14h 15m 39.7s | +19° 10′ 57″ | -0.04 |
Vega A0Va | 18h 36m 56.34s | +38° 47′ 01.28″ | 0.03 |
Capella G1III | 05h 16m 41.36s | +45° 59′ 52.77″ | 0.08 |
Epsilon Ursae Majoris A1III | 12h 54m 01.75s | +55° 57′ 35.36″ | 1.77 |
Alpha Ursae Majoris G9III | 11h 03m 43.67s | +61° 45′ 03.72″ | 1.79 |
Polaris F7Ib | 02h 31m 42s | +89° 15′ 53″ | 2.02 |
HD 1687 K0 | 00h 39m 42s | +89° 26′ 40.0″ | 8.13 |
HD 21070 A5 | 09h 46m 25s | +89° 34′ 10.3″ | 9.05 |
TYC 4629-37-1 K2 | 04h 42m 49s | +89° 37′ 49″ | 9.16 |
TYC 4661-2-1 A0 | 21h 16m 52s | +89° 46′ 27.1″ | 9.66 |
TYC 4643-26-1 ~K5 | 08h 12m 25s | +89° 49′ 54.6″ | 11.16 |
USNOA2 1725-00386335 ~G | 10h 17m 00s | +89° 54′ 40.2″ | 13.05 |
USNOA2 1725-00277543 G/K | 06h 44m 00s | +89° 57′ 17.1″ | 13.85 |
USNOA2 1725-00491197 F/G | 14h 50m 30s | +89° 57′ 46.2″ | 14.60 |
USNOA2 1725-00440484 K5-9 | 12h 44m 00s | +89° 58′ 27.6″ | 16.35 |
USNOA2 1725-00034254A ? | 00h 43m 00s | +89° 58′ 38.3″ | 17.4 |
USNOA2 1725-00681665 F/G/K | 21h 07m 00s | +89° 58′ 57.4″ | 18.5 |
USNOA2 1725-00522696 G/K/M | 15h 58m 33s | +89° 59′ 25.4″ | 19.05 |
galaxy(?) | 10h 00m 00s | +89° 59′ 56.6″ | 20/21 |
1. Медуза Горгона и Поляриссима тождественные понятия. Прецессия вращения Земли создает картину звездного неба, на которой все светила вращаются вокруг одной точки. Местоположение этой точки медленно очерчивает линию вокруг созвездия Дракона с периодом вращения приблизительно 26000 лет. «Круг славы» или если угодно Славянский круг. Души умерших являются, носителями жизненного опыта и направляются в круг славы к духам предков. Круг Славы существует в подсознании многих языковых групп. Однокоренные слова в языках народов Севера имеют отчетливую генетическую связь. Слова «седой» и «Седава» - неподвижная звезда; Старый и английское «STAR» - главная звезда. Санта Клаус, колокол и Колотун –бабай от древнего названия «Кола». 2. Звезды, оказывающиеся, на пути небесного полюса называются Медуза Горгона «Хранительницами Круга славы». Чаще всего это две или три близлежащие Звезды одна, из которых, как правило, будущая или бывшая полярная. С их помощью путники безошибочно определяют направление на северный полюс. История Медузы Горгоны не что иное, как отражение судьбы полярной. Восхождение Звёзд на небесный трон вызывает расцвет цивилизаций. Пегас, рожденный Горгоной, покровительствует писателям и поэтам. Крисаор помогает великим ученым постичь тайны мироздания. Длительное отсутствие звёзд рядом с мировым полюсом вызвало небывалый упадок культуры, разрушение институтов власти массовое переселение народов, но вместе с тем зарождение новых мировых религий. Начало нового летоисчисления проводит черту «до и после». Прерывается связь времен, а главное связь с предками. Заратуштра предсказал появление Христианской религии в этот период. Как мы видим, хранителем и проводником опыта земного проживания людей стал человек с необычными способностями. Возможно, таких людей было много. Аватары пришедшие по их словам с той или иной Звезды появляются на Земле, в трудные времена их слова обладают огромной духовной силой и цитируются тысячелетиями. Круг замкнулся. В 1100 г.н.э. на полюс мира взошла очередная полярная Звезда. Сказка о Белоснежке и семи гномах, Царевне и семи богатырях рассказывают нам о приходе новой полярной в созвездье Ковша малой медведицы, в древности, считавшейся крылом Дракона. На конце ручки ковша, находится Киносура «собачий хвост». Трех звездная система состоит из Звезды гиганта и двух карликов, вращающихся вокруг него на различном удалении. Похожие на Солнце они имеют сложную планетную систему. На одном из спутников живёт Раса людей-гигантов, которые сохраняют в себе опыт жизни землян. Звезда окончательно взойдёт на трон через сто лет, но и сейчас уже дух захватывает от темпов развития науки, искусства. 3. Нынешняя полярная почиталась древними греками, как кормилица царей, спасшая Зевса от гнева отца. Индусы считали ее Родиной орлов, на которых, летал Вишну. Именно отсюда приходят на землю Аватары Всевышнего. Bold text — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saarmatti ( talk • contribs) 05:38, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
GenacGenac ( talk) 19:06, 30 December 2016 (UTC) "Better" than one degree means "greater"? "Less"?
The claim that "Polaris was known as Phoenicie because the Phoenicians used it for navigation" is poorly referenced. I believe that Cynosura came to be used as a name for the entire constellation of Ursa Minor, and the claim that "Cynosura" was used by the Phoenicians may in fact amount to the claim that the entire constellation was taken to indicate roughly northern direction, without the implication that Alpha Ursae Minoris was singled out -- which would make perfect sense, because at the time Beta Ursae Minoris was still significantly closer to the pole than Alpha Ursae Minoris. Either way, we also still need the authority just for the claim that "Cynosura" was used for navigation in antiquity. -- dab (𒁳) 07:12, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
I have just realised for the first time that stella maris was used of the Blessed Virgin since Late Antiquity, at least according to
Eucherius Lugdunensis (d. 449), Instructiones (PL 50 0811C), "Hebraeorum nominum interpretatio":
So the claim is that the name "Mary" in Hebrew means "illumined" or "star of the sea". This might even predate the identification of Polaris as the pole-star (because it was barely close enough to the pole in the 5th century to serve that purpose, although it would by then have been slightly closer than Kochab). Hence I have to seriously ask myself if the gloss stella maris predates the interpretation pole-star, and the pole-star was later named stella maris, as it were after Mary? More literature research is needed here. -- dab (𒁳) 12:52, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
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Can a list of all the stars in the cycle be added? The only unlisted star I know for sure is Vega. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.152.242 ( talk) 00:06, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Why is the voyage of Christopher Columbus here? There is nothing novel about his journey in relation to the pole star, he did not advance navigation in any way shape or form, and it feels fairly unrelated. Why not Magellan, or Vasco De Gama? I propose deletion, and will check back in a few days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.255.38.129 ( talk) 23:20, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
The table of what stars will be pole stars during the precession of the axis would be more valuable if it also included when each star will be the pole star. Skepticalgiraffe ( talk) 21:06, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Hello there Wikipedia content editors with celestial knowledge.
I have no idea why these two pages have developed separately on essentially the same subject, and there seems to be substantial ambiguity in this page, likely as a legacy.
The lead section here is attempting to define both a generic celestial pole star, and also the Earth's particular pole star, Polaris, the North Star, which has already a substantial page and scientific description (there is presently NO south pole star).
What they appear to be shooting for is
A Pole star = generic astronomical pole star.
Polaris = Earth's pole star, Polaris
It has been alluded to previously, this potential merge, and the "thin article" here. No action has been obvious and the page has grown since.
To avoid all the duplication and the contingent inaccuracies, I suggest this article be pared down to represent only what is in its title, and direct The Pole Star, to Polaris early into the article.
I will make a start on removing some duplication, which could be substantial. There is different good information both here and under Polaris. The more precise location for Earth's North Pole star information is under Polaris, for any and all good copy.
I don't wish to see good information lost, and by the same token if it is here and refers to Polaris it should be located only there. This avoids not only duplication but also the information not being found where it should be.
If you have other thoughts and concerns to improve the encyclopedic value, please bring them forward here, but two North Star pages is not right. Ssaco ( talk) 23:41, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Why does Polar Star redirects to Pole star without offering a disambiguation selection?
Polar Star is used as a name for several ships. I know you will find them under the disambiguation polestar, but that is quite a different word. Jochum ( talk) 14:04, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
The text says that Gemma Frisius determined the distance of Polaris from the north celestial pole as 3°7'. I checked the reference given and the figure in the book is actually 3°8'. Trivial, I know, but inconsistent. The same inconsistency occurs in the Polaris entry. Presumably the original Wikipedia editor mistyped. Anyone think it worth changing? Skeptic2 ( talk) 08:15, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
The caption for the video says that the southern cross is clearly visible. As someone unfamiliar with the southern sky, I can't find it even after 10 rewatches, so I disagree with the statement. Perhaps the text should rather describe where the cross is, if possible. Jack Daw ( talk) 10:20, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
In the section 'Precession of the equinoxes' it states that "Deneb, will be a distant 7° from the pole, never close enough to be taken as marking the pole", but in the chart below claims that "will become the North Star at about 9,800 AD".
Also, lower in the section it states "There will also be periods during the cycle when bright stars give only an approximate guide to "north", as they may be greater than 5° of angular diameter removed from direct alignment with the north celestial pole" suggesting 5 degrees as the limit, but this statement is not backed up by its citation which says nothing about degrees, or the usability of a star.
So, is there an official definition of degrees to determine a star to be The pole star? Strangerpete ( talk) 16:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
What does it mean for a star to "become the pole star"? Seems to me it depends on the relative weights given to brightness and proximity (and perhaps other criteria). I suggest replacing such language with the date when the star is nearest to the pole. —Tamfang ( talk) 21:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)