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Can you supply an English (or German or Arabic or French or Spanish) language on-line source for information about the "C-2 (carbylomine cholinchloride)" that is mentioned in the article? Could this be a Carbylamine? W. Frank 18:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
This is probably "carbylamine choline chloride". Suppose to be in this book: [1]. Biophys 20:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Could be an inhibitor of Acetylcholine esterase. Biophys 20:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The closest I could found was "Phenyl-carbylamine-chloride", a poison gas [2]. There is nothing about "carbylamine choline chloride" in open sources. Biophys 20:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC) See also "methyl carbylamine" ( Methyl isocyanate) Biophys 20:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The Dutch Wikipedia says that Raoul Wallenberg may have been a victim of C-2 (called K-2 and carbylamine-choline-chloride in the article) poisoning - 069952497a
I would like to note that Biophys linking of Gamsakhurdia death to poisoning is original research. Anyone interested could look into Gamsakhurdia article in Wikipedia. Vlad fedorov 05:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
First, I did not tell that Gamsakurdia died from poisoning. Second, I included reference in the article:
Ken Alibek and S. Handelman. Biohazard: The Chilling True Story of the Largest Covert Biological Weapons Program in the World - Told from Inside by the Man Who Ran it. 1999. Delta (2000) ISBN 0-385-33496-6. Please read it.
Wikis including WP are not reliable source according to WP:SOURCE Biophys 06:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I propose:
since I presume that not all of the laboratories mentioned in the article remained in the same physical building throughout.
Does anyone object? W. Frank 13:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
There was also Laboratory 100 ("Special Lab 100" according to Vitaly Yurchenko [3]) mentioned sometimes. -- HanzoHattori 14:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
It seems the name of the article has not been changed. It is a bit licentious, as it may lead to other National labratories being named. The breakup of the former USSR inevitable lead to the braindrain(sic) and the pilfering of Sovereign National Property by those who consistently steal and have other countries and Nations properties misappropriated to them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.122.39.254 ( talk) 01:33, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
The Soviet Political Police have long been suspected of using poison in dealing with political opponents of Stalin, particularly in Asia, and revelations at the trial last week disclosed that the OGPU had a poison laboratory. It was at the disposal of former OGPU Chief Yagoda, sentenced to death, presumably is at the disposal of his successor, OGPU Chief Yezhov.
Yagoda, according to various testimony, attempted to poison Yezhov by having his own office, which his successor would occupy, sprayed with an atomized mercuric poison. Recent analysis of the urine of Yezhov was said to have proved that the poison has been partially effective and his health gravely affected. [5] -- HanzoHattori 14:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed the Miscellany section. The only thing it contained was the following sentence:
This sloppy addition to the article is hearsay. I see that there is a source to a book, but I've also read published books which claim that Stalin was a warlock and knew how to fly on a broomstick. It seems that the more sensational the information, the more willing people are to accept it.
Why would Lenin ask Stalin to administer poison to him? Nonsense. And since when is "he probably meant" considered an encyclopedic statement? I am suspecting that some naive youngster made this outrageous addition (it doesn't even have a period at the end of the sentence), and tacked on a random reference to a book, to keep people from removing it. 140.211.132.201 ( talk) 16:50, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
In exile, Trotsky seemed to agree with the claim made by Stalin that Yagoda ran a poisoning laboratory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.10.165 ( talk) 15:04, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Just wanted to point out that the article on Pavel Sudoplatov contrasts with the statements in this section. One or the other probably needs some editing but I'm not familiar enough with the topic and persons to do it. Matthias Alexander Jude Shapiro ( talk) 23:18, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
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Can you supply an English (or German or Arabic or French or Spanish) language on-line source for information about the "C-2 (carbylomine cholinchloride)" that is mentioned in the article? Could this be a Carbylamine? W. Frank 18:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
This is probably "carbylamine choline chloride". Suppose to be in this book: [1]. Biophys 20:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Could be an inhibitor of Acetylcholine esterase. Biophys 20:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The closest I could found was "Phenyl-carbylamine-chloride", a poison gas [2]. There is nothing about "carbylamine choline chloride" in open sources. Biophys 20:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC) See also "methyl carbylamine" ( Methyl isocyanate) Biophys 20:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The Dutch Wikipedia says that Raoul Wallenberg may have been a victim of C-2 (called K-2 and carbylamine-choline-chloride in the article) poisoning - 069952497a
I would like to note that Biophys linking of Gamsakhurdia death to poisoning is original research. Anyone interested could look into Gamsakhurdia article in Wikipedia. Vlad fedorov 05:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
First, I did not tell that Gamsakurdia died from poisoning. Second, I included reference in the article:
Ken Alibek and S. Handelman. Biohazard: The Chilling True Story of the Largest Covert Biological Weapons Program in the World - Told from Inside by the Man Who Ran it. 1999. Delta (2000) ISBN 0-385-33496-6. Please read it.
Wikis including WP are not reliable source according to WP:SOURCE Biophys 06:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I propose:
since I presume that not all of the laboratories mentioned in the article remained in the same physical building throughout.
Does anyone object? W. Frank 13:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
There was also Laboratory 100 ("Special Lab 100" according to Vitaly Yurchenko [3]) mentioned sometimes. -- HanzoHattori 14:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
It seems the name of the article has not been changed. It is a bit licentious, as it may lead to other National labratories being named. The breakup of the former USSR inevitable lead to the braindrain(sic) and the pilfering of Sovereign National Property by those who consistently steal and have other countries and Nations properties misappropriated to them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.122.39.254 ( talk) 01:33, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
The Soviet Political Police have long been suspected of using poison in dealing with political opponents of Stalin, particularly in Asia, and revelations at the trial last week disclosed that the OGPU had a poison laboratory. It was at the disposal of former OGPU Chief Yagoda, sentenced to death, presumably is at the disposal of his successor, OGPU Chief Yezhov.
Yagoda, according to various testimony, attempted to poison Yezhov by having his own office, which his successor would occupy, sprayed with an atomized mercuric poison. Recent analysis of the urine of Yezhov was said to have proved that the poison has been partially effective and his health gravely affected. [5] -- HanzoHattori 14:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed the Miscellany section. The only thing it contained was the following sentence:
This sloppy addition to the article is hearsay. I see that there is a source to a book, but I've also read published books which claim that Stalin was a warlock and knew how to fly on a broomstick. It seems that the more sensational the information, the more willing people are to accept it.
Why would Lenin ask Stalin to administer poison to him? Nonsense. And since when is "he probably meant" considered an encyclopedic statement? I am suspecting that some naive youngster made this outrageous addition (it doesn't even have a period at the end of the sentence), and tacked on a random reference to a book, to keep people from removing it. 140.211.132.201 ( talk) 16:50, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
In exile, Trotsky seemed to agree with the claim made by Stalin that Yagoda ran a poisoning laboratory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.10.165 ( talk) 15:04, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Just wanted to point out that the article on Pavel Sudoplatov contrasts with the statements in this section. One or the other probably needs some editing but I'm not familiar enough with the topic and persons to do it. Matthias Alexander Jude Shapiro ( talk) 23:18, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
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