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This link: "John Smith's Letter to Queen Anne regarding Pocahontas". Repr. in Caleb Johnson's Mayflower Web Pages. is going to an AOL account login. KSRolph ( talk) 01:26, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
If the Sedgeford Hall Portrait is believed to not be an actual portrait of Pocahontas, then does it still merit to be displayed on this page? DrkBlueXG ( talk) 18:55, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
there are several family direct line descendants through her and Kokoum Stream's Daughter Kaokee ( Meese, Ashton, Moody, Coon, Bouck and Pratt Families. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:4600:1F57:DD9B:E8FC:D6A1:FF00 ( talk) 17:18, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
For what its worth, the genealogical claim does turn up in a couple of online sources. For example, this one. No idea on what text this claim is based on. Dimadick ( talk) 23:46, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
There is a discrepancy in the birth and death dates for Pocahontas, and her age at death. The article gives her dates as c. 1596-1617 (20 or 21 years), and then says she died at age 19 (3rd paragraph). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.139.70 ( talk) 03:01, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Did she die before they left England? If so, the couple couldn't have "set sail." Did they "set sail" from a different port, then stopped in Gravesend, where she died? Can somebody clarify and fix it? Thanks. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 19:34, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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In the opening the entry claims: "Pocahontas was captured and held for ransom by the English during Anglo-Indian hostilities in 1613. During her captivity, she converted to Christianity and took the name Rebecca. When the opportunity arose for her to return to her people, she chose to remain with the English. In April 1614, at the age of 17, she married tobacco planter John Rolfe, and in January 1615, she bore their son, Thomas Rolfe.[1]"
However many historians point to her having been kidnapped and raped repeatedly, having a half white and half native son named Thomas, before being married off to John Wolf the tobacco farmer, she was never given the opportunity to return to her people and her captors used her several times to attempt to trap the native chief, before shipping her off to England.
https://www.nps.gov/jame/learn/historyculture/pocahontas-her-life-and-legend.htm Cgoodwin1 ( talk) 06:36, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
@ J.B.: First, may I direct your attention to the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which, among other goals, will prevent Wikipedia:Edit warring. The place to discuss whether or not this article should include a mention of Camp Matoaka is here, not in edit summaries. As @ Doug Weller: advised you, please explain why inclusion of Camp Matoaka is relevant to, and will improve, this article. I realize that a lot of non-notable trivia has made its way into Wikipedia articles, but that does not excuse adding more. - Donald Albury 14:01, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
@ Donald Albury: Hi, Donald. Since Camp Matoaka is named for Pocahontas, it appeared to me relevant to include it in the "Namesakes" section of the article. However, perhaps not everything named for Pocahontas should be included in the "Namesakes" section. So it is okay with me if those who follow this article closely remove the reference to Camp Matoaka. My sense is that it may be of interest to someone to know that there is an existing institution for girls that takes Pocahontas as its namesake, if not as its idol. But perhaps the existence of a summer camp does not rise to the level of being worthy of mention. - J.B. 22:27, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Why does nothing/someone doesn’t know when the day and month Pocahontas was born Unicorns are so fluffy ( talk) 02:13, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Consider for use in article?
'. . . when Trump refers to Warren as "Pocahontas," I imagine most people think of the beloved, though arguably hypersexualized, Disney character from the 1995 animated film. This is a problem.
'In reality Pocahontas, whose real name was Matoaka, was a captive who married into white culture to protect her family. Her father, Chief Wahunsenaca, only agreed to the marriage for fear of what the white invaders would do if he refused. Oral history from our indigenous elders disagree with the written accounts of Pocahontas' age (she may have been only a child), but one thing is for certain: It is hardly the stuff of entertaining cartoons.'
-- http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/21/opinions/donald-trump-elizabeth-warren-native-american-moya-smith/ ("Trump's casual racism toward Native Americans", cnn.com 20160522)
-- Jo3sampl ( talk) 17:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
Pocahontas was 10 years old when the Pocahontas John Smith story took place. Before she was kidnapped she was already married to an Indian. Her marriage to Rolfe is questionable - bigamist at best. She was dragged around England to raise money. She died in England - apparently in an unmarked grave ( at least the church was rebuilt and her body was lost.
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Adding Elizabeth Warren back under "Cultural" references, as its a major political/cultural event. With more notable written articles than all other others. Therefore we need to either remove the cultural section all together or keep the Elizabeth Warren reference to remain consistent.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Scrushmaster ( talk • contribs)
This article is the Disney version of history.
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No. That Trump chooses to call someone by this name is of no relevance to this article. It's trivial, it will blow over, it's nothing--if a year from now a book or journal article provides evidence of lasting importance, we can discuss this again. In the meantime, DocRushing, you have reverted its removal three times; that's enough. Drmies ( talk) 15:02, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
( edit conflict)Agree with Drmies and General Ization. DocRushing, I'm sure Drmies would have reacted differently if you hadn't reverted 3 times, which is generally considered edit warring. You would have done better to have come here after your first revert was reversed. Doug Weller talk 16:56, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
This stuff may be appropriate for the Donald Trump article but it is totally inappropriate for this article. It tells something about Trump but nothing about the subject of this article, Pocahontas. Richerman (talk) 16:25, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
I agree with your point because no one other than some people in the United States know this about trump Unicorns are so fluffy ( talk) 02:15, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Face the facts. Everyone calls Mass Senator Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas. For the rest of her time in public life she will carry the curse of falsely claiming to be a Native American -- a contention proven false by a DNA test. It should be in the article. The name has stuck permanently. Case closed. -- 2600:6C65:747F:CD3F:D870:FB0F:8A10:584D ( talk) 20:17, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
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Add a "See Also" section with a reference to the article on Mary Kittamaquund, who was a similar figure in the history of Colonial Maryland.
The top of the article needs a redirect for other uses to Elizabeth Warren. I'd add it; but the page is protected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.68.156.197 ( talk) 20:41, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
The article states, “In 1907, Pocahontas was the first Indian to be honored on a US stamp.” and then references an article (reference #69) which confirms the fact that she was the first Native American depicted on a US stamp. However, Pocahontas is not Indian. Can someone who is able to edit this article please change this so it can be accurate? Msaguirr ( talk) 04:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
I've seen both these spellings used in several sources each. Of course, they would be phonetic renderings of the original, which would not have been written with our alphabet, if at all. They would seem to represent different pronunciations. Can it be determined which is more authentic. Kostaki mou ( talk) 23:02, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Pocahontas married Kocoum and gave birth to a daughter named Ka Okee.
Sources:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/131606355/ka_okee_jane-pettus
https://www.indianreservations.net/2016/08/little-kocoum-or-ka-okee-who-was-child.html
http://www.southern-style.com/Pettus.htm
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I think it should be said that she was “coerced” into converting to Christianity as opposed to “encouraged” Michael Murfie ( talk) 16:55, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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Pocahontas had 3 children not 1 . She had a daughter and a son with kocoum before he was was murdered 68.192.204.21 ( talk) 03:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
When John Smith and the other colonists arrived in Virginia 13 May 1607, there were 104 men and boys between the three ships, not 100. This would mean that the line "Pocahontas is most famously linked to colonist Captain John Smith, who arrived in Virginia with 100 other settlers in April 1607 where they built a fort on a marshy peninsula on the James River." Is wrong. They arrived in May. With 103 other settlers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hailord ( talk • contribs) 16:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
instead of redirecting matoaka it should be redirected from that white given name. I am white and I think you can do better Wikipedia. SAY HER NAME! 97.113.92.169 ( talk) 18:37, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm not am extremely experienced editor, but it occurs to me that the word "encouraged" in the introduction ("the Colonists encouraged her to convert to Christianity") is 1) encoding an Anglo-centric perspective where the colonists are benevolent evangelizers and 2) is likely masking what was likely something more like "coerced" or "forced." This seems to violate NPOV.
That said, I do not know the circumstances of her conversion to Christianity, but if it was indeed the fact that she was benignly "encouraged," or was forced to convert, then I think this should require a citation. Otherwise, in the absence of evidence either way, more neutral language should be used. 2604:CA00:158:1445:0:0:461:12AF ( talk) 17:30, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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Pocahontas burial place is within Gravesend town but not in the current St Georges Church.
This is proof taken from stgeorgesgravesend.org the church where it is claimed she is buried.
In 1896, the memorial tablet to Pocahontas was put in the chancel of St George’s Church, and the memorial windows were presented by the Colonial Dames of America in 1914. In 1923, a Virginian received permission to search for the remains of Pocahontas, but nothing conclusive was found. St George’s churchyard was laid out as the Princess Pocahontas Garden in 1958, a replica of Jamestown’s statue of Pocahontas was unveiled and the Queen gave St George’s the replica of the chalice and paten used by the original settlers in 1607.
Could someone please edit the burial place on this page. HistoryGirl91 ( talk) 00:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Not done for now: - Here's a bit more of the article, for context: "She is thought to have been buried in the vault beneath the chancel of the local parish church - St. George’s. Her son, Thomas returned to Virginia where he is understood to have numerous descendants.
The original church was destroyed by fire on 24th August 1727 and later rebuilt. In 1896 the memorial tablet to Pocahontas was made in the chancel of St. George’s Church, and the Colonial Dames of America presented the memorial windows in1914. In 1923 a Virginian received permission to search for the remains of Pocahontas, but nothing conclusive was found."
The "and rebuilt" isn't enough information one way or the other - was it rebuilt on the site of the original church? If it was, then the entry is still accurate, since her remains are presumably still thought to be under there somewhere.
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Her name is Matoaka. Pochahontas should be an alias. Don’t call her first by name that was never hers. 45.78.124.164 ( talk) 13:42, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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Pocahontas was forced into Christianity, Not “persuaded”. I’m pretty sure she was also given or stolen by John Wolfe. I can’t remember at the moment I’m just furious y’all are actually make it sound like she wanted to go with him. Figure out the actual history instead of whatever that is. 2600:1700:5BC0:79A0:5494:42E3:5171:F2C7 ( talk) 09:33, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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Pocahontas → Matoaka – Whilst Pocahontas is the name of this article since most white people only call her that, I think that the page should be renamed Matoaka. Firstly because to me it's unencyclopedic to call her by her nickname. And secondly, since Indigenous people call her both names. Therefore,I don't think that Pocahontas would be the article name per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC since this only takes into account the primary name for white people - and white sources - over Native American people and sources. Stephanie921 ( talk) 22:24, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
”In 1907, Pocahontas was the first Native American to be honored on a US stamp.”
The word honored is subjective and unnessesary. 85.24.203.254 ( talk) 14:22, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
It is my understanding is that the Revisionists have written the story of their marriage out of history. The reason is the only, I repeat, the only written evidence/information they have is from Cpt john Smith's own hand and he was a notorious liar. Correct? Well when they first did this I wrote to the women who gave the reason and told her that my family tree ( which dates back 1346) states that one of my ancestors married Capt. John Smith to Pocahontas. So there is another bit of writing/evidence, by another hand that states quite clearly that they were married. So the revisionists are WRONG. Furthermore I offered to show the proof along with original letters back and forth between the Maxwells and friends in England in which they discuss the beheading of King Charles the first. All it would cost was an aeroplane ride to Virginia and pay my hotel expenses for 2 weeks (so I could tour the battle fields of the ACW) Being Scottish and paper being rare and expensive, one letter is written across the page, and the reply is written diagonally over the top. Incidentally, my family used to own Norfolk Virginia, (and I want it back please) but the owner was travelling between America and England when he died of yellow fever ( back then it was so contagious, that not only did they throw the diseased corpse overboard, but all his possessions went overboard, including the deeds to the land) Now you would think they would jump at the opportunity to have a look at and copy these original documents, but no, not a word in response. Now I ask you, is that because the revisionists would then have to revise their hullabaloo, and the university graduate who based her doctorate on such bull would be discredited ? after it wouldn't be the first time an American has lied 120.159.36.248 ( talk) 13:58, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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This link: "John Smith's Letter to Queen Anne regarding Pocahontas". Repr. in Caleb Johnson's Mayflower Web Pages. is going to an AOL account login. KSRolph ( talk) 01:26, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
If the Sedgeford Hall Portrait is believed to not be an actual portrait of Pocahontas, then does it still merit to be displayed on this page? DrkBlueXG ( talk) 18:55, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
there are several family direct line descendants through her and Kokoum Stream's Daughter Kaokee ( Meese, Ashton, Moody, Coon, Bouck and Pratt Families. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:4600:1F57:DD9B:E8FC:D6A1:FF00 ( talk) 17:18, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
For what its worth, the genealogical claim does turn up in a couple of online sources. For example, this one. No idea on what text this claim is based on. Dimadick ( talk) 23:46, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
There is a discrepancy in the birth and death dates for Pocahontas, and her age at death. The article gives her dates as c. 1596-1617 (20 or 21 years), and then says she died at age 19 (3rd paragraph). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.139.70 ( talk) 03:01, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Did she die before they left England? If so, the couple couldn't have "set sail." Did they "set sail" from a different port, then stopped in Gravesend, where she died? Can somebody clarify and fix it? Thanks. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 19:34, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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In the opening the entry claims: "Pocahontas was captured and held for ransom by the English during Anglo-Indian hostilities in 1613. During her captivity, she converted to Christianity and took the name Rebecca. When the opportunity arose for her to return to her people, she chose to remain with the English. In April 1614, at the age of 17, she married tobacco planter John Rolfe, and in January 1615, she bore their son, Thomas Rolfe.[1]"
However many historians point to her having been kidnapped and raped repeatedly, having a half white and half native son named Thomas, before being married off to John Wolf the tobacco farmer, she was never given the opportunity to return to her people and her captors used her several times to attempt to trap the native chief, before shipping her off to England.
https://www.nps.gov/jame/learn/historyculture/pocahontas-her-life-and-legend.htm Cgoodwin1 ( talk) 06:36, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
@ J.B.: First, may I direct your attention to the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which, among other goals, will prevent Wikipedia:Edit warring. The place to discuss whether or not this article should include a mention of Camp Matoaka is here, not in edit summaries. As @ Doug Weller: advised you, please explain why inclusion of Camp Matoaka is relevant to, and will improve, this article. I realize that a lot of non-notable trivia has made its way into Wikipedia articles, but that does not excuse adding more. - Donald Albury 14:01, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
@ Donald Albury: Hi, Donald. Since Camp Matoaka is named for Pocahontas, it appeared to me relevant to include it in the "Namesakes" section of the article. However, perhaps not everything named for Pocahontas should be included in the "Namesakes" section. So it is okay with me if those who follow this article closely remove the reference to Camp Matoaka. My sense is that it may be of interest to someone to know that there is an existing institution for girls that takes Pocahontas as its namesake, if not as its idol. But perhaps the existence of a summer camp does not rise to the level of being worthy of mention. - J.B. 22:27, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Why does nothing/someone doesn’t know when the day and month Pocahontas was born Unicorns are so fluffy ( talk) 02:13, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
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'. . . when Trump refers to Warren as "Pocahontas," I imagine most people think of the beloved, though arguably hypersexualized, Disney character from the 1995 animated film. This is a problem.
'In reality Pocahontas, whose real name was Matoaka, was a captive who married into white culture to protect her family. Her father, Chief Wahunsenaca, only agreed to the marriage for fear of what the white invaders would do if he refused. Oral history from our indigenous elders disagree with the written accounts of Pocahontas' age (she may have been only a child), but one thing is for certain: It is hardly the stuff of entertaining cartoons.'
-- http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/21/opinions/donald-trump-elizabeth-warren-native-american-moya-smith/ ("Trump's casual racism toward Native Americans", cnn.com 20160522)
-- Jo3sampl ( talk) 17:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
Pocahontas was 10 years old when the Pocahontas John Smith story took place. Before she was kidnapped she was already married to an Indian. Her marriage to Rolfe is questionable - bigamist at best. She was dragged around England to raise money. She died in England - apparently in an unmarked grave ( at least the church was rebuilt and her body was lost.
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Adding Elizabeth Warren back under "Cultural" references, as its a major political/cultural event. With more notable written articles than all other others. Therefore we need to either remove the cultural section all together or keep the Elizabeth Warren reference to remain consistent.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Scrushmaster ( talk • contribs)
This article is the Disney version of history.
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No. That Trump chooses to call someone by this name is of no relevance to this article. It's trivial, it will blow over, it's nothing--if a year from now a book or journal article provides evidence of lasting importance, we can discuss this again. In the meantime, DocRushing, you have reverted its removal three times; that's enough. Drmies ( talk) 15:02, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
( edit conflict)Agree with Drmies and General Ization. DocRushing, I'm sure Drmies would have reacted differently if you hadn't reverted 3 times, which is generally considered edit warring. You would have done better to have come here after your first revert was reversed. Doug Weller talk 16:56, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
This stuff may be appropriate for the Donald Trump article but it is totally inappropriate for this article. It tells something about Trump but nothing about the subject of this article, Pocahontas. Richerman (talk) 16:25, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
I agree with your point because no one other than some people in the United States know this about trump Unicorns are so fluffy ( talk) 02:15, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Face the facts. Everyone calls Mass Senator Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas. For the rest of her time in public life she will carry the curse of falsely claiming to be a Native American -- a contention proven false by a DNA test. It should be in the article. The name has stuck permanently. Case closed. -- 2600:6C65:747F:CD3F:D870:FB0F:8A10:584D ( talk) 20:17, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
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Add a "See Also" section with a reference to the article on Mary Kittamaquund, who was a similar figure in the history of Colonial Maryland.
The top of the article needs a redirect for other uses to Elizabeth Warren. I'd add it; but the page is protected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.68.156.197 ( talk) 20:41, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
The article states, “In 1907, Pocahontas was the first Indian to be honored on a US stamp.” and then references an article (reference #69) which confirms the fact that she was the first Native American depicted on a US stamp. However, Pocahontas is not Indian. Can someone who is able to edit this article please change this so it can be accurate? Msaguirr ( talk) 04:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
I've seen both these spellings used in several sources each. Of course, they would be phonetic renderings of the original, which would not have been written with our alphabet, if at all. They would seem to represent different pronunciations. Can it be determined which is more authentic. Kostaki mou ( talk) 23:02, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Pocahontas married Kocoum and gave birth to a daughter named Ka Okee.
Sources:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/131606355/ka_okee_jane-pettus
https://www.indianreservations.net/2016/08/little-kocoum-or-ka-okee-who-was-child.html
http://www.southern-style.com/Pettus.htm
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I think it should be said that she was “coerced” into converting to Christianity as opposed to “encouraged” Michael Murfie ( talk) 16:55, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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Pocahontas had 3 children not 1 . She had a daughter and a son with kocoum before he was was murdered 68.192.204.21 ( talk) 03:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
When John Smith and the other colonists arrived in Virginia 13 May 1607, there were 104 men and boys between the three ships, not 100. This would mean that the line "Pocahontas is most famously linked to colonist Captain John Smith, who arrived in Virginia with 100 other settlers in April 1607 where they built a fort on a marshy peninsula on the James River." Is wrong. They arrived in May. With 103 other settlers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hailord ( talk • contribs) 16:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
instead of redirecting matoaka it should be redirected from that white given name. I am white and I think you can do better Wikipedia. SAY HER NAME! 97.113.92.169 ( talk) 18:37, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm not am extremely experienced editor, but it occurs to me that the word "encouraged" in the introduction ("the Colonists encouraged her to convert to Christianity") is 1) encoding an Anglo-centric perspective where the colonists are benevolent evangelizers and 2) is likely masking what was likely something more like "coerced" or "forced." This seems to violate NPOV.
That said, I do not know the circumstances of her conversion to Christianity, but if it was indeed the fact that she was benignly "encouraged," or was forced to convert, then I think this should require a citation. Otherwise, in the absence of evidence either way, more neutral language should be used. 2604:CA00:158:1445:0:0:461:12AF ( talk) 17:30, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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Pocahontas burial place is within Gravesend town but not in the current St Georges Church.
This is proof taken from stgeorgesgravesend.org the church where it is claimed she is buried.
In 1896, the memorial tablet to Pocahontas was put in the chancel of St George’s Church, and the memorial windows were presented by the Colonial Dames of America in 1914. In 1923, a Virginian received permission to search for the remains of Pocahontas, but nothing conclusive was found. St George’s churchyard was laid out as the Princess Pocahontas Garden in 1958, a replica of Jamestown’s statue of Pocahontas was unveiled and the Queen gave St George’s the replica of the chalice and paten used by the original settlers in 1607.
Could someone please edit the burial place on this page. HistoryGirl91 ( talk) 00:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Not done for now: - Here's a bit more of the article, for context: "She is thought to have been buried in the vault beneath the chancel of the local parish church - St. George’s. Her son, Thomas returned to Virginia where he is understood to have numerous descendants.
The original church was destroyed by fire on 24th August 1727 and later rebuilt. In 1896 the memorial tablet to Pocahontas was made in the chancel of St. George’s Church, and the Colonial Dames of America presented the memorial windows in1914. In 1923 a Virginian received permission to search for the remains of Pocahontas, but nothing conclusive was found."
The "and rebuilt" isn't enough information one way or the other - was it rebuilt on the site of the original church? If it was, then the entry is still accurate, since her remains are presumably still thought to be under there somewhere.
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Her name is Matoaka. Pochahontas should be an alias. Don’t call her first by name that was never hers. 45.78.124.164 ( talk) 13:42, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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Pocahontas was forced into Christianity, Not “persuaded”. I’m pretty sure she was also given or stolen by John Wolfe. I can’t remember at the moment I’m just furious y’all are actually make it sound like she wanted to go with him. Figure out the actual history instead of whatever that is. 2600:1700:5BC0:79A0:5494:42E3:5171:F2C7 ( talk) 09:33, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 22:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Pocahontas → Matoaka – Whilst Pocahontas is the name of this article since most white people only call her that, I think that the page should be renamed Matoaka. Firstly because to me it's unencyclopedic to call her by her nickname. And secondly, since Indigenous people call her both names. Therefore,I don't think that Pocahontas would be the article name per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC since this only takes into account the primary name for white people - and white sources - over Native American people and sources. Stephanie921 ( talk) 22:24, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
”In 1907, Pocahontas was the first Native American to be honored on a US stamp.”
The word honored is subjective and unnessesary. 85.24.203.254 ( talk) 14:22, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
It is my understanding is that the Revisionists have written the story of their marriage out of history. The reason is the only, I repeat, the only written evidence/information they have is from Cpt john Smith's own hand and he was a notorious liar. Correct? Well when they first did this I wrote to the women who gave the reason and told her that my family tree ( which dates back 1346) states that one of my ancestors married Capt. John Smith to Pocahontas. So there is another bit of writing/evidence, by another hand that states quite clearly that they were married. So the revisionists are WRONG. Furthermore I offered to show the proof along with original letters back and forth between the Maxwells and friends in England in which they discuss the beheading of King Charles the first. All it would cost was an aeroplane ride to Virginia and pay my hotel expenses for 2 weeks (so I could tour the battle fields of the ACW) Being Scottish and paper being rare and expensive, one letter is written across the page, and the reply is written diagonally over the top. Incidentally, my family used to own Norfolk Virginia, (and I want it back please) but the owner was travelling between America and England when he died of yellow fever ( back then it was so contagious, that not only did they throw the diseased corpse overboard, but all his possessions went overboard, including the deeds to the land) Now you would think they would jump at the opportunity to have a look at and copy these original documents, but no, not a word in response. Now I ask you, is that because the revisionists would then have to revise their hullabaloo, and the university graduate who based her doctorate on such bull would be discredited ? after it wouldn't be the first time an American has lied 120.159.36.248 ( talk) 13:58, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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