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According to the Teaching Company and the links at the bottom of the page he was born in 46. According to the Teaching Company he lived beyond 127. I do not know the proper way to say he lived beyond 127 so I wrote "beyond 127". But feel free to change it if it is "127+" or "127?" or whatever.
How is it that the introduction to this article states unequivocally that Plutarch went to Rome at least twice, while the introduction to the translation by Dreyden says it was at least once, with no evidence to indicate otherwise?
The following was posted in the article by 65.148.17.110 ( talk • contribs) and moved here by — Charles P. (Mirv) @ 15:39, 22 November 2005 (UTC).
It would be good if someone could include a listing of the Lives in chronological order, for this resource is not easily found elsewhere on the web.
Listing the lives in the chronological order by the life of the subject would help students read the biographies of individuals who were alive during the period that the student was studying....
I was going through Britannica's website, improving some of our math bios, when I came upon what appears to be either an error, or major omission. Specifically, I was working on Proclus. EB's article says "At Athens he studied under the Greek philosophers Plutarch and Syrianus, whom he followed as diadochos (Greek: “successor”), or head of the Academy founded by Plato c. 387 BC."
Has there been any discussion, or any published work, on his lost works? Haiduc 12:59, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
"Even the lives of such important figures as Augustus..." It looks like Perseus has the North translation of the Life of Octavius Agustus Caesar. Is it a pseudopigraphic work, or is this statement particially incorrect and in need of modification?
Broken link, External links - biography of Plutarch
this may relate to Maru's question but while looking for a quote on the spartans i found "Come back with your shield,-- or on it", as sort of rejoicing phrase for the women of Sparta as the men left to fight, it said that Plutarch reported this, but how is this possible, the hieght of military Sparta was three centuries before the birthdate of Plutarch, so how is this possible? Thrawst 06:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
The first couple of sentences in this section are incoherent, the apparent victim of editing. They do not make sense. What is being said about Shakespeare, for example? If it intends to convey that Shakespeare based some of his plays on the Parallel Lives, that is not contained in this sentence.
I believe the two biggest authors influenced by Plutarch are Shakespeare for his plays, and Montaigne for the development of the Essay. The Influences section should probably reflect this. BiancaOfHell 16:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I've heard that Dante was influenced but how? is it significant? BiancaOfHell 08:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
These quotes should be boxed up (like in the Demosthenes article) and placed appropriately in sections that will discuss the works of Lives and Moralia, ESPECIALLY if they come from there. Plutarch had a lot of influence on moralists, etc... and some of these quotations are examples of his wisdom that influenced those that came after. BiancaOfHell 12:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
What books, or editions with introductions, forewords, etc.. that talk about Plutarch's life and work are out there? BiancaOfHell 15:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the philosophy of Plutarch of Chaeroneia one might look at The Middle Platonists: 80 B.C. to A.D. 220 by John Dillon (Ithaca, 1996, Revised Edition). It has a chapter "Plutarch of Chaeroneia and the Origins of Second-Century Platonism" (pp 184 - 230) that concentrates on Plutarch's philosophy. In a note to this chapter (p. 185) Dillon recommends Plutarch by D. A. Russell (London, 1972) for "the whole man, essayist, historian, teacher, conversationalist, statesman." I am unfamiliar with Russell so I cannot comment on this books worth. But Dillon is a well-respected academic who is recognized as an expert in the history of Platonism. Pomonomo2003 01:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
For too much information see Bibliography on Plutarch at <
http://www.utexas.edu/depts/classics/chaironeia/bibliography.html> -
BiancaOfHell
17:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
A number of authors have written a 'Life of Plutarch's it seems. Here's the beginnings of a list. Please add to it if you come across more.
- BiancaOfHell 11:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
North, Sir Thomas, 1535?–1601?, English translator. He is famous for his translation of Plutarch, entitled Lives of the Noble Grecians and Romans (1579), which he made from the French of Jacques Amyot. This work, ornate but vivid, was a source for many of Shakespeare's plays, among them Antony and Cleopatra and Julius Caesar, and was a major influence in the development of Elizabethan prose.
North translated from Amyot's French translation, whilst or while Dryden translated from the Greek original
- BiancaOfHell 13:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
What to cover about Plutarch is a question on my mind. His biographical information is sketchy. A lot of questions on the size of his family, his travels to Rome, his career. The importance of his works and criticisms of it seems to be more interesting. Anyone have any good advice? - BiancaOfHell 15:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Stuff whose deduction must be explained:
- BiancaOfHell 00:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
The life timeline at the end lists "Invented diaphram" but there is no reference made to this in the page - this needs to be addressed by at least a short section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.107.193.183 ( talk) 20:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC).
This date is rather vague, but the sentence should be placed perhaps someplace other than "Work as magistrate and ambassador", right? Is there any info pertaining to his later life? Sedonaarizona 18:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I see that Plutarch is categorized as a vegetarian, but why is no mention of this made in the article? Given that vegetarians were exceedingly rare then, and the fact that he wrote essays extolling the virtues of vegetarianism, it seems relevant to me.-- Hraefen Talk 00:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
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The article says, "there is one translation of Parallel Lives into Latin" which it describes as being made in the 18th century, pour le dauphin. Meanwhile, above in the article is a photograph of a 15th century Latin edition of the same. Clearly either there was more than one Latin translation, or it was not made pour le dauphin. Rwflammang ( talk) 13:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
In Pyrrhus article, a user has added the pov sign with the arguement that Pyrrhus' sources came from the unreliable author Ploutarch... This is off course an anti-encyclopedic action. It is really sad that famous authors like Plutarch are so badly criticized and the worst, without a single argument against him! (he said that he was Greek...so unreliable) Alexikoua ( talk) 20:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
well i have some arguments against him. some of his stories cannot be checked in any other source. second, in his paralells lives he pretends to be neutral but the romans always look better than the greeks in comparsion. If you care about my opinion, he was in the roman´s pockets 201.29.161.165 ( talk) 22:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
There has been a violation of WP:ERA in that no discussion or concensus was done on this article's talk page after the 29th October 2010 before the date format was changed from BC/AD to BCE/CE. Therefore I propose that the date format be reverted back to that of 29/10/10 should no one object and voice reasons why this should not occur. 78.146.132.102 ( talk) 19:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, newbie here. Not sure if this is the right way to discuss this sort of thing, but:
In the section "Parallel Lives": "...went to tremendous effort (often leading to tenuous comparisons) to draw parallels between physical appearance and moral character"
This strikes me as being sort of Chaucerian, (this certainly isn't the right term, as Plutarch predated Chaucer by many years). Does anyone know if there's a term for this kind of literary attribution of moral/personality characteristics to physical ones? (I'm thinking something along the lines of Phrenology). I feel like there is a term, but it escapes me at the moment... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodaen ( talk • contribs) 06:31, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh ok, nevermind - I think I found what I was looking for in the related links of Phrenology: Physiognomy. Thanks anyways. Rodaen ( talk) 06:49, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
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Anyone know if there is any reason to suppose that this image of the bust added by User:Odysses on 22 February 2011, is in anyway reliable? It's confidently described as "Statue of Plutarch, at the Museum of Delphi," but the only evidence Odysses seems to have put forward for this identification is the fact that a similar picture is used as thumbnail [2] at livius.org. Pasicles ( talk) 20:58, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
The Delphi Archaeological Museum that I've visited in the past and I've taken several pictures, describes this bust as "a portrait of Plutarch, Plotinus or a philosopher", ranking Plutarch as the most probable candidate. The livius.org website is possitive about this bust been of Plutarch. I've also seen this bust as a cover page on a couple of books about Plutarch. Although I am not 100% certain that this bust is of Plutarch, yet Plutarch is the most probable candidate. Do we have another statue of Plutarch at any other museum? Odysses (₪) 13:38, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
In other languages:
The above examples by Universities, such as The University of Adelaide, Institutions, authors etc. are traditionally considered more reliable than the greekhotel.com which is provided in the file description to confuse the identiτy of this bust. If the above Universities, Institutions, authors etc. positively identify this bust as of Plutarch, then Wikipedia should also identify it as such - Odysses (₪) 18:32, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
To make this issue more complicated, the Museum of Delphi displays this bust of Plutarch/philosopher (left) next to a headless herm (right). The description given for the herm is: Headless herm of a votive with the bust of Plutarch, set up by the people of Delphi around 125 AD. What the museum doesn't make clear is whether the head on the left once stood on the herm on the right, since they appear to be made approximately the same period of time, of the same type of marble and they were both uncovered near the southeast corner of the temple of Apollo at Delphi. Odysses (₪) 07:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
As I read the section of the article on Plutarch's Lives, i noted that there was more information there than on the actual lives page. Does anyone else agree on moving some of it over to the lives page, or at least copying it?-- Accurateedits ( talk) 23:33, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree, moreover his important "Isis and Osiris" is quickly mentioned, while it should have its own section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Eldritch ( talk • contribs) 19:35, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
The intro talks about koine Greek and provides a citation that does not back that up. Delete? - Eponymous-Archon ( talk) 21:40, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
'Ralph Waldo Emerson and the Transcendentalists were greatly influenced by the Moralia — so much so, in fact, that Emerson called the Lives "a bible for heroes"' - that makes no sense, it seems to me. They are two utterly different works. Even if they weren't, this wouldn't make a lot of sense. 110.20.157.59 ( talk) 00:07, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Of Athens Plutarch. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Hildeoc ( talk) 20:02, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
The following section, copied below, was removed here by 17u9e:
Plutarch stretches and occasionally fabricates the similarities between famous Greeks and Romans in order to be able to write their biographies as parallel. The lives of Nicias and Crassus, for example, have little in common except that "both were rich and both suffered great military defeats at the ends of their lives". [1]
In his Life of Pompey, Plutarch praises Pompey's trustworthy character and tactful behaviour in order to conjure a moral judgement that opposes most historical accounts. Plutarch delivers anecdotes with moral points, rather than in-depth comparative analyses of the causes of the fall of the Achaemenid Empire and the Roman Republic, [2] and tends on occasion to fit facts to hypotheses citation needed.
On the other hand, he generally sets out his moral anecdotes in chronological order (unlike, say, his Roman contemporary Suetonius) [2] and is rarely narrow-minded and unrealistic, almost always prepared to acknowledge the complexity of the human condition where moralising cannot explain it.
References
While there may be problems with the above, some discussion of criticism seems to me to be likely warranted. Can none of this text be salvaged? Paul August ☎ 12:05, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
For a more solid argument, I think that, although it may be partially accurate, the extensive detail that the editor goes in in this aspect of Plutarch and his works does not correspond with the briefness of the article, generally speaking. For it seems unreasonable to go into detail, in a neutral encyclopedia, with specific parts chosen indiscriminately, especially of criticism and negativity, for perhaps the editor held a grudge against the lives for some reason, whilst whoever wrote this small paragraph did not write a corresponding paragraph regarding the , for Plutarch's accounts are, as you know, a vital source of historical knowledge and it seems unfair to somebody to put a bad mark on it (especially if they cram only a small bit of positivism into it, as if he criticism towers over the former, which of course is untrue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 17u9e ( talk • contribs) 08:26, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Furthermore, if the somewhat non-neutral article must stay, I request that the irrational insult against Suetonius be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 17u9e ( talk • contribs) 08:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Further to re-writing this section: if we must, we should have the headline of something like "positivity and negativity of the Parallel lives", or two seperate sections, for it seems unfair to have one critisizing it. And yes, P Aculeius is quite right when he/she asks why the editor simply named Plutarch wrong because "all the other sources state the opposite" - so what sources? And, Paul August, no need to worry about going to a library; I have a copy at home. But anyway, why is the editor criticizing his historical accounts when Plutarch clearly explained that he was not doing it for history but rather moral insights? And Rex Warner repeats his intentions in his introduction. And I do not see why the editor is so desperate about making a fool of Plutarch's comparison of Nicias and Crassus, for he is simply pairing the two he thought most alike, not the two who were exactly the same. I believe that the critism section was written by sombody who has clearly not read all of the lives, just a few, and for some reason must "review" him on Wikipedia, not goodreads. 17u9e ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:14, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
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According to the Teaching Company and the links at the bottom of the page he was born in 46. According to the Teaching Company he lived beyond 127. I do not know the proper way to say he lived beyond 127 so I wrote "beyond 127". But feel free to change it if it is "127+" or "127?" or whatever.
How is it that the introduction to this article states unequivocally that Plutarch went to Rome at least twice, while the introduction to the translation by Dreyden says it was at least once, with no evidence to indicate otherwise?
The following was posted in the article by 65.148.17.110 ( talk • contribs) and moved here by — Charles P. (Mirv) @ 15:39, 22 November 2005 (UTC).
It would be good if someone could include a listing of the Lives in chronological order, for this resource is not easily found elsewhere on the web.
Listing the lives in the chronological order by the life of the subject would help students read the biographies of individuals who were alive during the period that the student was studying....
I was going through Britannica's website, improving some of our math bios, when I came upon what appears to be either an error, or major omission. Specifically, I was working on Proclus. EB's article says "At Athens he studied under the Greek philosophers Plutarch and Syrianus, whom he followed as diadochos (Greek: “successor”), or head of the Academy founded by Plato c. 387 BC."
Has there been any discussion, or any published work, on his lost works? Haiduc 12:59, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
"Even the lives of such important figures as Augustus..." It looks like Perseus has the North translation of the Life of Octavius Agustus Caesar. Is it a pseudopigraphic work, or is this statement particially incorrect and in need of modification?
Broken link, External links - biography of Plutarch
this may relate to Maru's question but while looking for a quote on the spartans i found "Come back with your shield,-- or on it", as sort of rejoicing phrase for the women of Sparta as the men left to fight, it said that Plutarch reported this, but how is this possible, the hieght of military Sparta was three centuries before the birthdate of Plutarch, so how is this possible? Thrawst 06:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
The first couple of sentences in this section are incoherent, the apparent victim of editing. They do not make sense. What is being said about Shakespeare, for example? If it intends to convey that Shakespeare based some of his plays on the Parallel Lives, that is not contained in this sentence.
I believe the two biggest authors influenced by Plutarch are Shakespeare for his plays, and Montaigne for the development of the Essay. The Influences section should probably reflect this. BiancaOfHell 16:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I've heard that Dante was influenced but how? is it significant? BiancaOfHell 08:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
These quotes should be boxed up (like in the Demosthenes article) and placed appropriately in sections that will discuss the works of Lives and Moralia, ESPECIALLY if they come from there. Plutarch had a lot of influence on moralists, etc... and some of these quotations are examples of his wisdom that influenced those that came after. BiancaOfHell 12:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
What books, or editions with introductions, forewords, etc.. that talk about Plutarch's life and work are out there? BiancaOfHell 15:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the philosophy of Plutarch of Chaeroneia one might look at The Middle Platonists: 80 B.C. to A.D. 220 by John Dillon (Ithaca, 1996, Revised Edition). It has a chapter "Plutarch of Chaeroneia and the Origins of Second-Century Platonism" (pp 184 - 230) that concentrates on Plutarch's philosophy. In a note to this chapter (p. 185) Dillon recommends Plutarch by D. A. Russell (London, 1972) for "the whole man, essayist, historian, teacher, conversationalist, statesman." I am unfamiliar with Russell so I cannot comment on this books worth. But Dillon is a well-respected academic who is recognized as an expert in the history of Platonism. Pomonomo2003 01:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
For too much information see Bibliography on Plutarch at <
http://www.utexas.edu/depts/classics/chaironeia/bibliography.html> -
BiancaOfHell
17:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
A number of authors have written a 'Life of Plutarch's it seems. Here's the beginnings of a list. Please add to it if you come across more.
- BiancaOfHell 11:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
North, Sir Thomas, 1535?–1601?, English translator. He is famous for his translation of Plutarch, entitled Lives of the Noble Grecians and Romans (1579), which he made from the French of Jacques Amyot. This work, ornate but vivid, was a source for many of Shakespeare's plays, among them Antony and Cleopatra and Julius Caesar, and was a major influence in the development of Elizabethan prose.
North translated from Amyot's French translation, whilst or while Dryden translated from the Greek original
- BiancaOfHell 13:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
What to cover about Plutarch is a question on my mind. His biographical information is sketchy. A lot of questions on the size of his family, his travels to Rome, his career. The importance of his works and criticisms of it seems to be more interesting. Anyone have any good advice? - BiancaOfHell 15:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Stuff whose deduction must be explained:
- BiancaOfHell 00:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
The life timeline at the end lists "Invented diaphram" but there is no reference made to this in the page - this needs to be addressed by at least a short section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.107.193.183 ( talk) 20:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC).
This date is rather vague, but the sentence should be placed perhaps someplace other than "Work as magistrate and ambassador", right? Is there any info pertaining to his later life? Sedonaarizona 18:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I see that Plutarch is categorized as a vegetarian, but why is no mention of this made in the article? Given that vegetarians were exceedingly rare then, and the fact that he wrote essays extolling the virtues of vegetarianism, it seems relevant to me.-- Hraefen Talk 00:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 04:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The article says, "there is one translation of Parallel Lives into Latin" which it describes as being made in the 18th century, pour le dauphin. Meanwhile, above in the article is a photograph of a 15th century Latin edition of the same. Clearly either there was more than one Latin translation, or it was not made pour le dauphin. Rwflammang ( talk) 13:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
In Pyrrhus article, a user has added the pov sign with the arguement that Pyrrhus' sources came from the unreliable author Ploutarch... This is off course an anti-encyclopedic action. It is really sad that famous authors like Plutarch are so badly criticized and the worst, without a single argument against him! (he said that he was Greek...so unreliable) Alexikoua ( talk) 20:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
well i have some arguments against him. some of his stories cannot be checked in any other source. second, in his paralells lives he pretends to be neutral but the romans always look better than the greeks in comparsion. If you care about my opinion, he was in the roman´s pockets 201.29.161.165 ( talk) 22:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
There has been a violation of WP:ERA in that no discussion or concensus was done on this article's talk page after the 29th October 2010 before the date format was changed from BC/AD to BCE/CE. Therefore I propose that the date format be reverted back to that of 29/10/10 should no one object and voice reasons why this should not occur. 78.146.132.102 ( talk) 19:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, newbie here. Not sure if this is the right way to discuss this sort of thing, but:
In the section "Parallel Lives": "...went to tremendous effort (often leading to tenuous comparisons) to draw parallels between physical appearance and moral character"
This strikes me as being sort of Chaucerian, (this certainly isn't the right term, as Plutarch predated Chaucer by many years). Does anyone know if there's a term for this kind of literary attribution of moral/personality characteristics to physical ones? (I'm thinking something along the lines of Phrenology). I feel like there is a term, but it escapes me at the moment... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodaen ( talk • contribs) 06:31, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh ok, nevermind - I think I found what I was looking for in the related links of Phrenology: Physiognomy. Thanks anyways. Rodaen ( talk) 06:49, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
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Anyone know if there is any reason to suppose that this image of the bust added by User:Odysses on 22 February 2011, is in anyway reliable? It's confidently described as "Statue of Plutarch, at the Museum of Delphi," but the only evidence Odysses seems to have put forward for this identification is the fact that a similar picture is used as thumbnail [2] at livius.org. Pasicles ( talk) 20:58, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
The Delphi Archaeological Museum that I've visited in the past and I've taken several pictures, describes this bust as "a portrait of Plutarch, Plotinus or a philosopher", ranking Plutarch as the most probable candidate. The livius.org website is possitive about this bust been of Plutarch. I've also seen this bust as a cover page on a couple of books about Plutarch. Although I am not 100% certain that this bust is of Plutarch, yet Plutarch is the most probable candidate. Do we have another statue of Plutarch at any other museum? Odysses (₪) 13:38, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
In other languages:
The above examples by Universities, such as The University of Adelaide, Institutions, authors etc. are traditionally considered more reliable than the greekhotel.com which is provided in the file description to confuse the identiτy of this bust. If the above Universities, Institutions, authors etc. positively identify this bust as of Plutarch, then Wikipedia should also identify it as such - Odysses (₪) 18:32, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
To make this issue more complicated, the Museum of Delphi displays this bust of Plutarch/philosopher (left) next to a headless herm (right). The description given for the herm is: Headless herm of a votive with the bust of Plutarch, set up by the people of Delphi around 125 AD. What the museum doesn't make clear is whether the head on the left once stood on the herm on the right, since they appear to be made approximately the same period of time, of the same type of marble and they were both uncovered near the southeast corner of the temple of Apollo at Delphi. Odysses (₪) 07:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
As I read the section of the article on Plutarch's Lives, i noted that there was more information there than on the actual lives page. Does anyone else agree on moving some of it over to the lives page, or at least copying it?-- Accurateedits ( talk) 23:33, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree, moreover his important "Isis and Osiris" is quickly mentioned, while it should have its own section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Eldritch ( talk • contribs) 19:35, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
The intro talks about koine Greek and provides a citation that does not back that up. Delete? - Eponymous-Archon ( talk) 21:40, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
'Ralph Waldo Emerson and the Transcendentalists were greatly influenced by the Moralia — so much so, in fact, that Emerson called the Lives "a bible for heroes"' - that makes no sense, it seems to me. They are two utterly different works. Even if they weren't, this wouldn't make a lot of sense. 110.20.157.59 ( talk) 00:07, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Of Athens Plutarch. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Hildeoc ( talk) 20:02, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
The following section, copied below, was removed here by 17u9e:
Plutarch stretches and occasionally fabricates the similarities between famous Greeks and Romans in order to be able to write their biographies as parallel. The lives of Nicias and Crassus, for example, have little in common except that "both were rich and both suffered great military defeats at the ends of their lives". [1]
In his Life of Pompey, Plutarch praises Pompey's trustworthy character and tactful behaviour in order to conjure a moral judgement that opposes most historical accounts. Plutarch delivers anecdotes with moral points, rather than in-depth comparative analyses of the causes of the fall of the Achaemenid Empire and the Roman Republic, [2] and tends on occasion to fit facts to hypotheses citation needed.
On the other hand, he generally sets out his moral anecdotes in chronological order (unlike, say, his Roman contemporary Suetonius) [2] and is rarely narrow-minded and unrealistic, almost always prepared to acknowledge the complexity of the human condition where moralising cannot explain it.
References
While there may be problems with the above, some discussion of criticism seems to me to be likely warranted. Can none of this text be salvaged? Paul August ☎ 12:05, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
For a more solid argument, I think that, although it may be partially accurate, the extensive detail that the editor goes in in this aspect of Plutarch and his works does not correspond with the briefness of the article, generally speaking. For it seems unreasonable to go into detail, in a neutral encyclopedia, with specific parts chosen indiscriminately, especially of criticism and negativity, for perhaps the editor held a grudge against the lives for some reason, whilst whoever wrote this small paragraph did not write a corresponding paragraph regarding the , for Plutarch's accounts are, as you know, a vital source of historical knowledge and it seems unfair to somebody to put a bad mark on it (especially if they cram only a small bit of positivism into it, as if he criticism towers over the former, which of course is untrue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 17u9e ( talk • contribs) 08:26, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Furthermore, if the somewhat non-neutral article must stay, I request that the irrational insult against Suetonius be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 17u9e ( talk • contribs) 08:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Further to re-writing this section: if we must, we should have the headline of something like "positivity and negativity of the Parallel lives", or two seperate sections, for it seems unfair to have one critisizing it. And yes, P Aculeius is quite right when he/she asks why the editor simply named Plutarch wrong because "all the other sources state the opposite" - so what sources? And, Paul August, no need to worry about going to a library; I have a copy at home. But anyway, why is the editor criticizing his historical accounts when Plutarch clearly explained that he was not doing it for history but rather moral insights? And Rex Warner repeats his intentions in his introduction. And I do not see why the editor is so desperate about making a fool of Plutarch's comparison of Nicias and Crassus, for he is simply pairing the two he thought most alike, not the two who were exactly the same. I believe that the critism section was written by sombody who has clearly not read all of the lives, just a few, and for some reason must "review" him on Wikipedia, not goodreads. 17u9e ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:14, 12 May 2020 (UTC)