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Be more careful when replacing the name. With the change, you broke the internal wikilinks and the interwiki. Discuss it here, please, and if necessary modify only the ones that do not break compatibility. Thanks. -- ReyBrujo 12:06, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
@ 2006-04-24 15:42Z
We don't need to put rumor on this article. The PSM article doesn't quote sources. It is contradictory to what other sources have said. For example Sony execs in Japan have stated it will not cost less than $50K yen, which translates to $425 and the Japan price has always been lower than U.S. price. Daniel.Cardenas 15:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
So it's E3 time: Sony announced at today's press conference: 20 GB model for $499 US ($599 CAD)that will not include Blu-Ray playback because of no HDMI capability, no memory card slots, and no WiFi. 60 GB model for $599 US ($699 CAD) wich only has 1 HDMI connection instead of the 2 Sony announced earlier.
Although 23 March is as correct as March 23 (I use 23 March myself in spanish), per date guidelines: Use consistent date formatting throughout an article, unless there's a good reason to vary it. So, either use the day month or month day format throughout the entire article. Remember that casual readers don't have a preference set, and finding both types of dates in a single article may confuse them. -- ReyBrujo 03:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I quote GamesIndustry article (fifth paragraph) [1]:
With the launch of the next-generation console in November, which it is widely expected Sony will sell at a loss for at least the first year, the company is expecting to post a loss during the current fiscal year of approximately YEN 100 billion (EURO 697 million), although post-launch costs for the units are expected to be drastically reduced.
I believe it is a good piece for the article. -- ReyBrujo 18:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
The article states that 'Estimates by game developers put the number of PS and PS2 titles that have passed the TRC to be around 50-85%.'. Speaking as a game developer, this is a peculiar statement and both the Wikipedia article and linked article are misleading, the Wikipedia article moreso. *EVERY* game released on PS1/PS2 has to pass Sony testing, with Sony's technical requirements specified in form of the TRC. Ultimately Sony manufacture the copy-protected discs, and can (and do) reject games if they do not meet quality or technical requirements - schedules often allow for multiple submissions to Sony before setting a planned release date. Incompatibilities in the emulation are more likely to arise because Sony or internal testing *didn't catch* violations of the TRC, rather than they did not pass at all. With the costs involved with a submission to Sony (successful or otherwise), few would make one knowing that they fragrantly disregard the TRC. -- 82.39.14.169 20:50, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I've corrected the offending statement, and changed TRC acronym explanation to Technical Requirements Checklist) -- 82.39.14.169 21:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Not sure where the 400MHz figure for memory is coming from? - also not sure how this can match quoted bandwidth? Also memory subsection is incorrectly worded as it stands. HappyVR 11:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed the region code table - is this for blu ray or dvd - it seems wrong for blu ray - however I put a hyper-link to the blu ray article.
This is what I removed:
Region code | Area |
---|---|
1 | North America, Central America, South America. |
2 | Europe, Japan and Africa |
3 | China, Russia, India, Pakistan and all other countries. |
HappyVR 12:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
This is from http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=15908
Region 1: North America, South America, East Asia except for China (India, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Malaysia etc.)
Region 2: Europe and Africa
Region 3: China, Russia and other countries
HappyVR 12:48, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Today is E3 Owning day: So...people and editors, I won't bother refereshing or contributing to this article. I will leave the job for you:P So....Everytime I referesh at Wiki, I do want to see new info! Infact, I won't bother adding info to other articles, accept for the one I chose to work for.
What happen to the front starting picture of this article? The owning picture? The picture of ps3 with white background. Infact they changed all official white background console pictures with Wiki editor own made pictures. Why!?
I think that the possibility of rampant vandalism to this article in the next few days should be considered a high priority. Fanboys are gonna come here and trash/misinform a lot in the next 12-24 hours. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MilitantRabbit ( talk • contribs) .
Just to clear some things up - there is no "thieveing" involved. Motion-sensing tech was used in many games before (like those baseball sims where you throw a wired ball towards your TV), not to mention that in order to use that tech, IF it was patented by Nintendo, Sony would have to license it as well. Please get your facts straight before crying bloody murder. Tani unit 02:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I think it is definitely worth a small mention (eventually, as Hossenfeffer noted) that initial controller design was met with rather dissapointing reactions from online communities, and was scrapped in favor of virtual copy of PS2 controller. As far as mentioning critisism because of similarity to Wii - I hardly see the point. The only ones who are concerned with that seem to be anti-sony fanboys. Although mentioning similarity itself does seem relevant. Tani unit 03:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
wikipedia is crazy and it doesnt update, so I wanted you all to write down that PS3 copied not just Wii but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Sidewinder The Sidewinder! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mattrb ( talk • contribs) .
Why? The controversy seems to be based on an opinion and heresay, not fact. It's not even "some say fact A, some say fact B" If I continually deface the page of JFK claiming that he was killed by a banana in 1974 does that then become a controversy that must/should be mentioned? Clearly not. If there's evidence that Sony copied the controller then it becomes a fact and worth mentioning. You might consider the act of copying as good, bad or indifferent but that isn't controversial that's just your opinion when you read the facts, share them in the places available. Even if the fact would be difficult to obtain, it should be possible eventually to open a controller from each and describe the parts, again, if any similarities bring forth opinions in the reader that's all they are. Perhaps you see a face in the moon too and that's great, but if it looks like a teapot to others that's not controversy. Every opinion and conspiracy theory isn't a controversy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.105.30.247 ( talk • contribs) .
Lots of new data, the page needs to be updated - see http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/08/engadget-and-joystiqs-live-coverage-of-sonys-playstation-3-e3-ev/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheArmadillo ( talk • contribs) .
The Dual-tilt 3 (no SHOCK, anymore) controller only has lights for up to four controller ports. This conflicts with the previously announced fact that the PS3 was supposed to support up to 7 controllers. Whoopsies? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Masamunecyrus ( talk • contribs) .
Yes there might be 7 controllers, but you can't play them at once! Believe me! The only game you can play with 7 controller at once are Marvel vs Capcom, X-Men: Legends or a Tag team fighting game. Playing a driving game is unacceptable, because how will the screen look like!?
there will be 3 mini screens above and below the television. which makes 6, while a small mini screen in the middle that makes 7. Trust me...it is impossible. Unless you are playing on a wide screen: 40-100 inch tv/ plasma/ flat screen.
But for now...you can only play with 4 controllers at once, but can use 7 controllers (not to play). Maybe that is what Sony meant!
They could possibly have 7 controllers with an addition system. 5 could be 4 and 1 lights on together, 6, 4 and 2, etc. 209.33.36.146 00:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Those with ears shall hear;
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705870p1.html
"The technology inside Sony's controller is a basic tilting accelerometer device. In a sense, that's the same style of control as the left hand of the Wii combination. Think of the technology as true 3D movement vs. basic tilt. The Wiimote will sense all pointing, motion and a new dimension of control, while the PS3 controller will expand only on the specific tilt functions."
Fanboys, get it through your heads, this is not the same tech, PS3's controller is a lot more basic and doesn't allow the features that make Wii's controller "revolutionary". Put it to rest for pete's sake! Tani unit 03:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, I noticed that someone mentioned that the PS3's controller may have been 'inspired' from the Wii's. This change was reverted quickly. In the spirit of neutrality, I think that if the Wii's page makes reference to the PS3's conroller, the PS3 article should make reference to the Wii's. -
Omega21 04:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Sony knew Nintendo can't just come up with a innnovative remote controller like that. So they decided to create theirs, since Nintendo weren't the first people to create something similar to theirs. If you don't believe me, you can check some IGN articles. When the listed out top 10 worst control pads. And you can clearly see Nintendo got some idea's of them.
I don't care if Sony copies companies or SOny copied your @ss ideas. Sony coming up with the same idea of Xbox live. What is the point? Can you tell me, some other idea you can think of that is better than xbox live, without having some capablities of XBox live? Sony knew it..Xboxlive was getting old, and other porgrams and software do have capablities like xbox live. Programs and software like: XBox Connect, Gamespy Arcade and even Kailleria Client.
The reginator said he wasn't affraid of sony.
Has no HDMI and card slots on 499 edition.. and the Dual HDMI was cut off in both versions [3] -- Ragnarok Addict 04:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Their slide was incorrect. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/705/705934p1.html clearly shows only the numbers 1-4 on the controller. Ign thinks it's 4 controllers and 3 bluetooth devices. Seraphim 05:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Now that the pricing has been released, can someone with access add the pricing to the page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.233.198.182 ( talk • contribs) .
When mentioning information released during E3, it should be said which year. The old entries from 2005 and new from 2006 should be edited. demo 09:32, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I work in Japan and there was just a news post saying that the PS3 will cost 59800 yen which is $USD 536.32 . Heres the source in Japanese. PS3 to cost 59800yen
Thats not to say the price wont be different- I find a lot of things out here cost more. But its a pretty solid number to go by, incase someone could update the main page with this information ASAP. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.248.61.99 ( talk • contribs) .
I dont feel its at all necessary to include info about who came up with the idea first. It will only lead to vandalism by Nintendo fans. You may claim Sony had the idea first but others will claim they would have shown it earlier if it had been their intention all along. Keep it factual; talk about the controller. draw up comparisons but dont post speculation as to who stole whos ideas. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.219.191.135 ( talk • contribs) .
http://sony.gamerfeed.com/gf/news/4815/ somebody add this in about the controller, Sony had thought of the idea for the motion controller YEARS before nintendo's wii. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.142.130.46 ( talk • contribs) .
http://sickr.wordpress.com/2006/05/11/sony-reveal-dual-shock-features-at-the-last-minute/ Spastastic 06:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
It is being speculated [7] [8] [9] that a reason for dropping rumble support has also to do with the continuous legal battle Sony is keeping with Immersion about the rumble feature. Sony may have been prevented from selling PS3s if the dualshock control still held the rumble feature. -- ReyBrujo 11:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
That will be crap, if the control doesn't have a rumble pack!
I'm wondering if the PS2 Dualshock can be used on the PS3? The motion sensor thing looks cool for Warhawk, but I doubt most games would use motion sensing technology, so I'd like some rumble. Anyone know if PS2 controllers would work on the PS3? Dionyseus 12:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
It should work....the console as some USB ports.
Lol owning day:P
That's right! Sony also rememberd that there are blAck gamers out there, and most of them are nearly there fAn:P
Wasn't this device the same one they showed at GadgetShow? Where you move some mini objects around an interactive table with motion senors.
"The game is powered by Namco ... it's Ridge Racer! Ahh! This brings back memories ... Just to show you, since its running on a PSP, you can change the screen size." Another exciting ability is for consumers to make mircotransactions. We will be selling a pre-paid card in various denomination." This is exciting, but there's a little bit of manufactured excitement in this: Ridge Racer will never hold the emotional attachment for gamers that Mario will, and it appears at this moment that Kaz is trying just a bit too hard to talk about how exciting it is to play a really old version of Ridge Racer. "We will be selling a pre-paid card called 'The PlayStation Card' sold in varying demonimations." Oh my g0d! It is like Revolution having the ability to download old classical games...OWNING! Nintendo better come up with something better!
That's about it...when I get home I will watch Sony's conference and Nintendo
is what it says in the area about the rsx. shouldent it be 256 Mb? -- matjet 18:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
No, sony has said 512. ( 70.71.162.88 02:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC))
The memory specifications are: 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
The "512 MB" number is obviously from people adding the numbers, and confusing it as "graphics memory", or confusing it with Xbox 360's memory specs, which are 512 MB shared CPU/GPU RAM. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Magnus alpha ( talk • contribs) .
Has anyone heard about the name change to "Katana"? I saw it on the News about an hour ago over here in Mexico, I was just wondering if it was true. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Katana3 ( talk • contribs) .
I changed the picture with the Final retail design (black) and the new controller. -- Ragnarok Addict 04:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok then...if this picture is allowed, then I suggest that other picture from 6th gen and 7th gen consoles picture should be change back with the white background!
Perhaps you should read WP:FU. We may use copyright images provided a proper fair use claim is made and it is used under the circumstances detailed in our policy. Specifically, they are only allowed as a last resort when no free alternative is available, not when we probably won't get sued for using them. ed g2s • talk 13:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Please remain civil and refrain from personal attacks. ed g2s • talk 15:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Hmm isn't that being a bit too extreme? We're talking about whether or not the free image is still adequate, I and several other editors no longer believe the image is adequate due to new information revealed during the Sony press conference at E3 last night. Dionyseus 13:27, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Here is my attempted summary of the issue and proposals:
Can we include the free image and move the controller up to the top also? Plenty of people hated the old boomerang so picturing the new controller early on is significant. Daniel.Cardenas 02:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
The free image and the no free image are not equivalent. ESPECIALLY, the image showing the back of the console is not duplicated anywhere, and is quite important in the hardware section of the article. It's pretty obvious to see that -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 16:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
"The PS3 will launch November 11 in Japan and seven days later in the United States, Australia and Europe, Sony officials said at a news conference."
20 GB model: $799 AUSD 60 GB model: $999 AUSD
Source: http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking/playstation-3-out-in-november/2006/05/09/1146940522183.html
Synystar 13:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
How is it going to be $1000AU when the 60GB version in the US is only going to be $599US? 128.184.2.1 01:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
The West Australian today Said... 20GB Model: AU$829 60GB Model: AU$999
And too Above, Remember we have a Big Fat 10% extra thanx to the GST. And $599 US is about $905, so that works out fine. - Boochan 09:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Change it back to the old one, where the black PS3 is shown with the new PS3 gyroscopic controller. -- 63.208.17.115 14:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Also agreed, change to the blAck console
If you are not going to provide a relevant image, then please take down the false and outdated image altogether. Not only is the image unprofessionally taken (which is beside the point, but an annoyance non-the-less), it is outdated and misleading.
Copy right is one thing, misleading users of a ENCYCLOPEDIA is another. If you do not have relevant information, don't use it.
What's ridiculous about this whole debate is that the Fair Use page says that it's a guideline, not official policy. Opponents of the fair use image need a better argument than "it's policy". We should be able to have a discussion about the merits and demerits of the two images without some users acting as if the argument is closed by default. 64.81.115.243 00:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
In the latest coverage of the PlayStation 3, I noticed that the vibration feature was dropped because it would interfere with the motion sensor capability. There is one other reason they might have dropped vibration that does not seem to have been brought up: lawsuits.
Sony was sued by Immersion Corporation about the haptic features of the PlayStation controller back in 2003. Microsoft was also sued and responded by buying Immersion. Sony lost the original case back in 2004, and recently lost the latest appeal:
Removing the vibration feature from the controller makes sure that this lawsuit can't block the PlayStation 3 release. Would this info be worth adding to the article when it gets unprotected? -- James 15:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
What a disappointment. They changed their cool "boomerang style" controller to some shit up Dualshock half-ass with an important feature such as SHOCKS removed because of those pussies complaining about the classy controller (probably the same people who don't eat meat, spam with userboxes, use IE, support Bush, and on top of all, bitch about spicy food). I know that those people weren't [probably] responsible for the removal of shocks, but I DON'T want to see anything else than the controller design they had in E3 2005. It simply rocks.
X360.. it was so quiet when it came out, I could even hear into the outer space! So, go and take a Wii. :) -- nlitement [talk] 17:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
When this thing gets unprotected, that needs to go. While it seems expensive, there are certainly game consoles that were much more expensive. The $1000 CDI comes to mind. Daniel Davis 16:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I would be careful with this line- since it wasnt the most expensive console ever. The 3DO was. Infact, the reference article similarly points out that the 3DO was more expensive. It should probably read more like "the most expensive console ever (aside from the ill-fated 3do)" which is how the original article is worded. -- ColinDoody
Ok, there seems to be a confict. "Full high definition output (up to 1080p) x 2 channels", but only One HDMI output? How is this possable, or is this an error? 207.233.77.15 18:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I got a link to help out as a source. It is not as simple as 20 and 60 gig.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/705/705887p1.html JONJONAUG 19:22, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
OK, I see that it is in there. But a comparison deserves its own section, it's not as noticable right now, and it's a pretty important thing. JONJONAUG 19:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
The article explains that the controller responds to translational movement. I thought it was merely a tilt sensor. Agent_Koopa 02:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Yea both. Moves Z+Y+X axis. Basically it can tilt up and down, left and right and side ways. But you can't use it in a 3dimentional.
All that is needed to calculate speed is your positions and a clock, so Wii can tell speed. Theres no way to tell tilt apart from movement with an accelerometer, so Im wondering how sony is implementing this. 64.40.60.88 01:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm wondering if Linux will still come preinstalled on the PS3? One part of the article says:
While another says:
Does this mean that the Linux preinstalled will only be the kernel used to run CMB, or will it include a full Linux Distribution, or not even have Linux at all! 68.183.43.191 22:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually the "Singstar" service they displayed at E3 was an example of case where you could buy more features from the marketplace to specific games. It wasn't an universal service karaoke service or anything. "Singstar" is a gameseries on the PS2 and the E3 presentation was probably an just a preview of things you could do with the next-generation versio of the game. So this should be changed to the article, yes? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.160.141.5 ( talk • contribs) .
I managed to find a free image of the Playstation 3 console and the new Dual Shock 3 controller. What do you all think about this proposed image? : Image:Sony_Playstation_3_free.jpg Dionyseus 04:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Images from Flickr are only free if they are explicitly tagged with cc-by-2.0 or cc-by-sa-2.0, you can search those categories here and here. ed g2s • talk 10:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
We do not know if the PS3 has an external power supply unit yet; I haven't gotten rid of it, but I feel it should be removed. The xbox 360 also has a three pronged power connector on the actual console, but it still has an external PSU, so there is no reason why the PS3 will not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.178.101.198 ( talk • contribs) .
According to a interview with Eurogamer/GamesIndustry.biz, Phil Harrison stated they have been thinking about this kind of functionality since 1994, but never implemented it due technical reasons. He states that, while they did not copy Wii's controller, they were encouraged by the good feedback it got:
When asked if Sony had been influenced by the positive response Nintendo received after unveiling the Wii remote, Harrison replied: "I think that some of the research that we've done, clearly other companies have been doing as well - so there's nothing completely surprising about that.
[...] However, Harrison went on to concede, "We didn't start the wave, but we've kind of jumped onto that wave.
I believe this could be included in the article. Also, it would be nice to state that developers were told (or at least, given) the "new" controller two weeks before E3 2006. -- ReyBrujo 11:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I though they said the PS3 Name logo was gotten of Spiderman movie, which means ps3 will feature some exclusive Spiderman games...
The controller doesnt shock anymore should it be like Dual Tilt or somthin now? Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 02:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
It's "DualShake," actually.-- 67.168.69.91 11:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Wait, if the 20gb version doesn't have a memory card reader, how the hell are you supposed to save your games!?
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Be more careful when replacing the name. With the change, you broke the internal wikilinks and the interwiki. Discuss it here, please, and if necessary modify only the ones that do not break compatibility. Thanks. -- ReyBrujo 12:06, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
@ 2006-04-24 15:42Z
We don't need to put rumor on this article. The PSM article doesn't quote sources. It is contradictory to what other sources have said. For example Sony execs in Japan have stated it will not cost less than $50K yen, which translates to $425 and the Japan price has always been lower than U.S. price. Daniel.Cardenas 15:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
So it's E3 time: Sony announced at today's press conference: 20 GB model for $499 US ($599 CAD)that will not include Blu-Ray playback because of no HDMI capability, no memory card slots, and no WiFi. 60 GB model for $599 US ($699 CAD) wich only has 1 HDMI connection instead of the 2 Sony announced earlier.
Although 23 March is as correct as March 23 (I use 23 March myself in spanish), per date guidelines: Use consistent date formatting throughout an article, unless there's a good reason to vary it. So, either use the day month or month day format throughout the entire article. Remember that casual readers don't have a preference set, and finding both types of dates in a single article may confuse them. -- ReyBrujo 03:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I quote GamesIndustry article (fifth paragraph) [1]:
With the launch of the next-generation console in November, which it is widely expected Sony will sell at a loss for at least the first year, the company is expecting to post a loss during the current fiscal year of approximately YEN 100 billion (EURO 697 million), although post-launch costs for the units are expected to be drastically reduced.
I believe it is a good piece for the article. -- ReyBrujo 18:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
The article states that 'Estimates by game developers put the number of PS and PS2 titles that have passed the TRC to be around 50-85%.'. Speaking as a game developer, this is a peculiar statement and both the Wikipedia article and linked article are misleading, the Wikipedia article moreso. *EVERY* game released on PS1/PS2 has to pass Sony testing, with Sony's technical requirements specified in form of the TRC. Ultimately Sony manufacture the copy-protected discs, and can (and do) reject games if they do not meet quality or technical requirements - schedules often allow for multiple submissions to Sony before setting a planned release date. Incompatibilities in the emulation are more likely to arise because Sony or internal testing *didn't catch* violations of the TRC, rather than they did not pass at all. With the costs involved with a submission to Sony (successful or otherwise), few would make one knowing that they fragrantly disregard the TRC. -- 82.39.14.169 20:50, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I've corrected the offending statement, and changed TRC acronym explanation to Technical Requirements Checklist) -- 82.39.14.169 21:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Not sure where the 400MHz figure for memory is coming from? - also not sure how this can match quoted bandwidth? Also memory subsection is incorrectly worded as it stands. HappyVR 11:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed the region code table - is this for blu ray or dvd - it seems wrong for blu ray - however I put a hyper-link to the blu ray article.
This is what I removed:
Region code | Area |
---|---|
1 | North America, Central America, South America. |
2 | Europe, Japan and Africa |
3 | China, Russia, India, Pakistan and all other countries. |
HappyVR 12:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
This is from http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=15908
Region 1: North America, South America, East Asia except for China (India, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Malaysia etc.)
Region 2: Europe and Africa
Region 3: China, Russia and other countries
HappyVR 12:48, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Today is E3 Owning day: So...people and editors, I won't bother refereshing or contributing to this article. I will leave the job for you:P So....Everytime I referesh at Wiki, I do want to see new info! Infact, I won't bother adding info to other articles, accept for the one I chose to work for.
What happen to the front starting picture of this article? The owning picture? The picture of ps3 with white background. Infact they changed all official white background console pictures with Wiki editor own made pictures. Why!?
I think that the possibility of rampant vandalism to this article in the next few days should be considered a high priority. Fanboys are gonna come here and trash/misinform a lot in the next 12-24 hours. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MilitantRabbit ( talk • contribs) .
Just to clear some things up - there is no "thieveing" involved. Motion-sensing tech was used in many games before (like those baseball sims where you throw a wired ball towards your TV), not to mention that in order to use that tech, IF it was patented by Nintendo, Sony would have to license it as well. Please get your facts straight before crying bloody murder. Tani unit 02:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I think it is definitely worth a small mention (eventually, as Hossenfeffer noted) that initial controller design was met with rather dissapointing reactions from online communities, and was scrapped in favor of virtual copy of PS2 controller. As far as mentioning critisism because of similarity to Wii - I hardly see the point. The only ones who are concerned with that seem to be anti-sony fanboys. Although mentioning similarity itself does seem relevant. Tani unit 03:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
wikipedia is crazy and it doesnt update, so I wanted you all to write down that PS3 copied not just Wii but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Sidewinder The Sidewinder! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mattrb ( talk • contribs) .
Why? The controversy seems to be based on an opinion and heresay, not fact. It's not even "some say fact A, some say fact B" If I continually deface the page of JFK claiming that he was killed by a banana in 1974 does that then become a controversy that must/should be mentioned? Clearly not. If there's evidence that Sony copied the controller then it becomes a fact and worth mentioning. You might consider the act of copying as good, bad or indifferent but that isn't controversial that's just your opinion when you read the facts, share them in the places available. Even if the fact would be difficult to obtain, it should be possible eventually to open a controller from each and describe the parts, again, if any similarities bring forth opinions in the reader that's all they are. Perhaps you see a face in the moon too and that's great, but if it looks like a teapot to others that's not controversy. Every opinion and conspiracy theory isn't a controversy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.105.30.247 ( talk • contribs) .
Lots of new data, the page needs to be updated - see http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/08/engadget-and-joystiqs-live-coverage-of-sonys-playstation-3-e3-ev/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheArmadillo ( talk • contribs) .
The Dual-tilt 3 (no SHOCK, anymore) controller only has lights for up to four controller ports. This conflicts with the previously announced fact that the PS3 was supposed to support up to 7 controllers. Whoopsies? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Masamunecyrus ( talk • contribs) .
Yes there might be 7 controllers, but you can't play them at once! Believe me! The only game you can play with 7 controller at once are Marvel vs Capcom, X-Men: Legends or a Tag team fighting game. Playing a driving game is unacceptable, because how will the screen look like!?
there will be 3 mini screens above and below the television. which makes 6, while a small mini screen in the middle that makes 7. Trust me...it is impossible. Unless you are playing on a wide screen: 40-100 inch tv/ plasma/ flat screen.
But for now...you can only play with 4 controllers at once, but can use 7 controllers (not to play). Maybe that is what Sony meant!
They could possibly have 7 controllers with an addition system. 5 could be 4 and 1 lights on together, 6, 4 and 2, etc. 209.33.36.146 00:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Those with ears shall hear;
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705870p1.html
"The technology inside Sony's controller is a basic tilting accelerometer device. In a sense, that's the same style of control as the left hand of the Wii combination. Think of the technology as true 3D movement vs. basic tilt. The Wiimote will sense all pointing, motion and a new dimension of control, while the PS3 controller will expand only on the specific tilt functions."
Fanboys, get it through your heads, this is not the same tech, PS3's controller is a lot more basic and doesn't allow the features that make Wii's controller "revolutionary". Put it to rest for pete's sake! Tani unit 03:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, I noticed that someone mentioned that the PS3's controller may have been 'inspired' from the Wii's. This change was reverted quickly. In the spirit of neutrality, I think that if the Wii's page makes reference to the PS3's conroller, the PS3 article should make reference to the Wii's. -
Omega21 04:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Sony knew Nintendo can't just come up with a innnovative remote controller like that. So they decided to create theirs, since Nintendo weren't the first people to create something similar to theirs. If you don't believe me, you can check some IGN articles. When the listed out top 10 worst control pads. And you can clearly see Nintendo got some idea's of them.
I don't care if Sony copies companies or SOny copied your @ss ideas. Sony coming up with the same idea of Xbox live. What is the point? Can you tell me, some other idea you can think of that is better than xbox live, without having some capablities of XBox live? Sony knew it..Xboxlive was getting old, and other porgrams and software do have capablities like xbox live. Programs and software like: XBox Connect, Gamespy Arcade and even Kailleria Client.
The reginator said he wasn't affraid of sony.
Has no HDMI and card slots on 499 edition.. and the Dual HDMI was cut off in both versions [3] -- Ragnarok Addict 04:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Their slide was incorrect. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/705/705934p1.html clearly shows only the numbers 1-4 on the controller. Ign thinks it's 4 controllers and 3 bluetooth devices. Seraphim 05:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Now that the pricing has been released, can someone with access add the pricing to the page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.233.198.182 ( talk • contribs) .
When mentioning information released during E3, it should be said which year. The old entries from 2005 and new from 2006 should be edited. demo 09:32, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I work in Japan and there was just a news post saying that the PS3 will cost 59800 yen which is $USD 536.32 . Heres the source in Japanese. PS3 to cost 59800yen
Thats not to say the price wont be different- I find a lot of things out here cost more. But its a pretty solid number to go by, incase someone could update the main page with this information ASAP. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.248.61.99 ( talk • contribs) .
I dont feel its at all necessary to include info about who came up with the idea first. It will only lead to vandalism by Nintendo fans. You may claim Sony had the idea first but others will claim they would have shown it earlier if it had been their intention all along. Keep it factual; talk about the controller. draw up comparisons but dont post speculation as to who stole whos ideas. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.219.191.135 ( talk • contribs) .
http://sony.gamerfeed.com/gf/news/4815/ somebody add this in about the controller, Sony had thought of the idea for the motion controller YEARS before nintendo's wii. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.142.130.46 ( talk • contribs) .
http://sickr.wordpress.com/2006/05/11/sony-reveal-dual-shock-features-at-the-last-minute/ Spastastic 06:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
It is being speculated [7] [8] [9] that a reason for dropping rumble support has also to do with the continuous legal battle Sony is keeping with Immersion about the rumble feature. Sony may have been prevented from selling PS3s if the dualshock control still held the rumble feature. -- ReyBrujo 11:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
That will be crap, if the control doesn't have a rumble pack!
I'm wondering if the PS2 Dualshock can be used on the PS3? The motion sensor thing looks cool for Warhawk, but I doubt most games would use motion sensing technology, so I'd like some rumble. Anyone know if PS2 controllers would work on the PS3? Dionyseus 12:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
It should work....the console as some USB ports.
Lol owning day:P
That's right! Sony also rememberd that there are blAck gamers out there, and most of them are nearly there fAn:P
Wasn't this device the same one they showed at GadgetShow? Where you move some mini objects around an interactive table with motion senors.
"The game is powered by Namco ... it's Ridge Racer! Ahh! This brings back memories ... Just to show you, since its running on a PSP, you can change the screen size." Another exciting ability is for consumers to make mircotransactions. We will be selling a pre-paid card in various denomination." This is exciting, but there's a little bit of manufactured excitement in this: Ridge Racer will never hold the emotional attachment for gamers that Mario will, and it appears at this moment that Kaz is trying just a bit too hard to talk about how exciting it is to play a really old version of Ridge Racer. "We will be selling a pre-paid card called 'The PlayStation Card' sold in varying demonimations." Oh my g0d! It is like Revolution having the ability to download old classical games...OWNING! Nintendo better come up with something better!
That's about it...when I get home I will watch Sony's conference and Nintendo
is what it says in the area about the rsx. shouldent it be 256 Mb? -- matjet 18:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
No, sony has said 512. ( 70.71.162.88 02:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC))
The memory specifications are: 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
The "512 MB" number is obviously from people adding the numbers, and confusing it as "graphics memory", or confusing it with Xbox 360's memory specs, which are 512 MB shared CPU/GPU RAM. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Magnus alpha ( talk • contribs) .
Has anyone heard about the name change to "Katana"? I saw it on the News about an hour ago over here in Mexico, I was just wondering if it was true. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Katana3 ( talk • contribs) .
I changed the picture with the Final retail design (black) and the new controller. -- Ragnarok Addict 04:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok then...if this picture is allowed, then I suggest that other picture from 6th gen and 7th gen consoles picture should be change back with the white background!
Perhaps you should read WP:FU. We may use copyright images provided a proper fair use claim is made and it is used under the circumstances detailed in our policy. Specifically, they are only allowed as a last resort when no free alternative is available, not when we probably won't get sued for using them. ed g2s • talk 13:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Please remain civil and refrain from personal attacks. ed g2s • talk 15:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Hmm isn't that being a bit too extreme? We're talking about whether or not the free image is still adequate, I and several other editors no longer believe the image is adequate due to new information revealed during the Sony press conference at E3 last night. Dionyseus 13:27, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Here is my attempted summary of the issue and proposals:
Can we include the free image and move the controller up to the top also? Plenty of people hated the old boomerang so picturing the new controller early on is significant. Daniel.Cardenas 02:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
The free image and the no free image are not equivalent. ESPECIALLY, the image showing the back of the console is not duplicated anywhere, and is quite important in the hardware section of the article. It's pretty obvious to see that -- larsinio (poke) (prod) 16:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
"The PS3 will launch November 11 in Japan and seven days later in the United States, Australia and Europe, Sony officials said at a news conference."
20 GB model: $799 AUSD 60 GB model: $999 AUSD
Source: http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking/playstation-3-out-in-november/2006/05/09/1146940522183.html
Synystar 13:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
How is it going to be $1000AU when the 60GB version in the US is only going to be $599US? 128.184.2.1 01:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
The West Australian today Said... 20GB Model: AU$829 60GB Model: AU$999
And too Above, Remember we have a Big Fat 10% extra thanx to the GST. And $599 US is about $905, so that works out fine. - Boochan 09:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Change it back to the old one, where the black PS3 is shown with the new PS3 gyroscopic controller. -- 63.208.17.115 14:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Also agreed, change to the blAck console
If you are not going to provide a relevant image, then please take down the false and outdated image altogether. Not only is the image unprofessionally taken (which is beside the point, but an annoyance non-the-less), it is outdated and misleading.
Copy right is one thing, misleading users of a ENCYCLOPEDIA is another. If you do not have relevant information, don't use it.
What's ridiculous about this whole debate is that the Fair Use page says that it's a guideline, not official policy. Opponents of the fair use image need a better argument than "it's policy". We should be able to have a discussion about the merits and demerits of the two images without some users acting as if the argument is closed by default. 64.81.115.243 00:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
In the latest coverage of the PlayStation 3, I noticed that the vibration feature was dropped because it would interfere with the motion sensor capability. There is one other reason they might have dropped vibration that does not seem to have been brought up: lawsuits.
Sony was sued by Immersion Corporation about the haptic features of the PlayStation controller back in 2003. Microsoft was also sued and responded by buying Immersion. Sony lost the original case back in 2004, and recently lost the latest appeal:
Removing the vibration feature from the controller makes sure that this lawsuit can't block the PlayStation 3 release. Would this info be worth adding to the article when it gets unprotected? -- James 15:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
What a disappointment. They changed their cool "boomerang style" controller to some shit up Dualshock half-ass with an important feature such as SHOCKS removed because of those pussies complaining about the classy controller (probably the same people who don't eat meat, spam with userboxes, use IE, support Bush, and on top of all, bitch about spicy food). I know that those people weren't [probably] responsible for the removal of shocks, but I DON'T want to see anything else than the controller design they had in E3 2005. It simply rocks.
X360.. it was so quiet when it came out, I could even hear into the outer space! So, go and take a Wii. :) -- nlitement [talk] 17:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
When this thing gets unprotected, that needs to go. While it seems expensive, there are certainly game consoles that were much more expensive. The $1000 CDI comes to mind. Daniel Davis 16:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I would be careful with this line- since it wasnt the most expensive console ever. The 3DO was. Infact, the reference article similarly points out that the 3DO was more expensive. It should probably read more like "the most expensive console ever (aside from the ill-fated 3do)" which is how the original article is worded. -- ColinDoody
Ok, there seems to be a confict. "Full high definition output (up to 1080p) x 2 channels", but only One HDMI output? How is this possable, or is this an error? 207.233.77.15 18:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I got a link to help out as a source. It is not as simple as 20 and 60 gig.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/705/705887p1.html JONJONAUG 19:22, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
OK, I see that it is in there. But a comparison deserves its own section, it's not as noticable right now, and it's a pretty important thing. JONJONAUG 19:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
The article explains that the controller responds to translational movement. I thought it was merely a tilt sensor. Agent_Koopa 02:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Yea both. Moves Z+Y+X axis. Basically it can tilt up and down, left and right and side ways. But you can't use it in a 3dimentional.
All that is needed to calculate speed is your positions and a clock, so Wii can tell speed. Theres no way to tell tilt apart from movement with an accelerometer, so Im wondering how sony is implementing this. 64.40.60.88 01:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm wondering if Linux will still come preinstalled on the PS3? One part of the article says:
While another says:
Does this mean that the Linux preinstalled will only be the kernel used to run CMB, or will it include a full Linux Distribution, or not even have Linux at all! 68.183.43.191 22:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually the "Singstar" service they displayed at E3 was an example of case where you could buy more features from the marketplace to specific games. It wasn't an universal service karaoke service or anything. "Singstar" is a gameseries on the PS2 and the E3 presentation was probably an just a preview of things you could do with the next-generation versio of the game. So this should be changed to the article, yes? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.160.141.5 ( talk • contribs) .
I managed to find a free image of the Playstation 3 console and the new Dual Shock 3 controller. What do you all think about this proposed image? : Image:Sony_Playstation_3_free.jpg Dionyseus 04:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Images from Flickr are only free if they are explicitly tagged with cc-by-2.0 or cc-by-sa-2.0, you can search those categories here and here. ed g2s • talk 10:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
We do not know if the PS3 has an external power supply unit yet; I haven't gotten rid of it, but I feel it should be removed. The xbox 360 also has a three pronged power connector on the actual console, but it still has an external PSU, so there is no reason why the PS3 will not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.178.101.198 ( talk • contribs) .
According to a interview with Eurogamer/GamesIndustry.biz, Phil Harrison stated they have been thinking about this kind of functionality since 1994, but never implemented it due technical reasons. He states that, while they did not copy Wii's controller, they were encouraged by the good feedback it got:
When asked if Sony had been influenced by the positive response Nintendo received after unveiling the Wii remote, Harrison replied: "I think that some of the research that we've done, clearly other companies have been doing as well - so there's nothing completely surprising about that.
[...] However, Harrison went on to concede, "We didn't start the wave, but we've kind of jumped onto that wave.
I believe this could be included in the article. Also, it would be nice to state that developers were told (or at least, given) the "new" controller two weeks before E3 2006. -- ReyBrujo 11:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I though they said the PS3 Name logo was gotten of Spiderman movie, which means ps3 will feature some exclusive Spiderman games...
The controller doesnt shock anymore should it be like Dual Tilt or somthin now? Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 02:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
It's "DualShake," actually.-- 67.168.69.91 11:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Wait, if the 20gb version doesn't have a memory card reader, how the hell are you supposed to save your games!?
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