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i can;t found doncs about it and it isn't mentioned here
See them [1]. Do you think this should be an External link? • Thorpe • 11:24, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Here is a link to the 4 page PlayStation 3 FAQ at IGN written 7/26/05. I put it here cause I saw this:
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- Hyad 05:09, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
I have lots of games currently saved on PS 2 cards. Will the PS 3 accept these older cards? This will ultimately be the deciding factor on my buying the PS 3 so I really need to know.
There might be some kind of USb adapter for them. I know things like that exist. -- HQ 10:35, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
"Each chip includes 8 SPEs, but one is disabled to improve yields and reduce costs"... could that be expanded on? I assume they carefully choose which SPE to disable based on malfunctioning/underperforming; through that they get higher yields. Perhaps when/how/who made that decision, and what is the failure rate of SPE's (although I know that's likely unknown)... and maybe it could lose the bold, and just be a normal sentence/paragraph with punctuation. - Roy Boy 800 21:57, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
"Reports quoting high-ranking Sony officials" is kinda vague, if those reports quote unnamed officials rather than Sony announcing it outright then it's probable that Sony's only implying a simultaneous as a business strategy. They suggest that the PS3 will be available in North America just six months after the Xbox 360, people might believe it and hold off. Then when it doesn't come out, Sony's had time to build more hype and also note that they never announced a Spring 2006 release for North America. So they get the effect of an official announcement without the responsibility to uphold their word. I don't know, I guess I jsut don't agree with the wording and had to share my thoughts.
Hello,
I am the webmaster of the original 'Playstation 3 Resource Centre', setup back in October 2001. I have provided information, news alerts, forums, polls and images for my users for some years now. The site is unbiased and contains useful and relevant resources for those interested in Playstation 3. Before the 'Playstation 3' article was protected, I placed a link to my website in the external links section, I now see it has been removed. Could someone please re-consider my website for addition to this excellent resource.
Kindest Regards
Craig Hughes Playstation 3 Resource Centre
http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/ps3
I wrote up a humorous piece about Playstation 3s on my blog and thought I'd share a smile with people who are following up to date developments. It's here:
Playstation 3 humor piece 12/17/2005
Realberserker
20:23, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the input. I'm working on learning to permalink, and I'll switch it over to that after I update the blog accordingly. And, it's pretty clearly labeled as a parody here, so thanks again for the frown. Realberserker 14:31, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Permalink added. Realberserker 05:12, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I have this article to contribute that discusses the upcoming console war between Xbox and PS3. The Ivory TreeWhat does math say about the upcoming console war
Recently Purchased company to help with the API:
punctuation problems
Please, change link linuxhdd in References to
# ^ "Add-on PlayStation 3 HDD will run Linux". June 9, 2005.{{ cite news}}
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no Google caching is needed more. (I was User:194.85.82.121, when this link was deleted)
1. When was this page vandalized? I think it has been atleast a week now...
2. When will this page be un-edit protected?
3. Why can't I find this page on the list of edit protected pages?
Thanks,
-- Wulf 03:13, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
Could it be that the protectifying of the page was the vandalism... thereby justifying itself? O_o MrD 21:48, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
At least one of the recent vandalism sources would be GameFAQ's "users" - http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=213&topic=23192491 (May need a GameFAQ's account, I don't know) was posted last night. Could be worth contacting him with the IP addresses of people concerned, to see if he's interested in doing anything - Tohya
OK, it's been over 24 hours so I unprotected it. Hopefully they don't start up again. Everyking 05:48, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
This is to question the statement that the PS3 "was in non-operational form at E3". Where is the source of that? I believe that should be further looked into. I believe that is WAS operating part-time at E3, and there have been rumors that when it was doing demos, the prototype was using an inferior chip running at 2.4GHz instead of the RSX chip's proper speed of 3.2GHz.
see [ [3]]
At least we can be sure [most of] the TGS footage was rendered on the Cell (although not the final RSX...) :) -- Wulf 19:38, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
The Killzone movie is completely pre-rendered CG, and the highly anticipated Final Fantasy VII Tech Demo is also pre-rendered CG, which is clearly stated by Square Enix as "a projection of what the graphics would be like on PS3."
"... nVidia spokesperson was quoted in PlayStation Magazine saying that the RSX GPU is basically a slightly less powerful GeForce 7800. So says Evil Avatar, having seen the magazine.* " http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25838
Scan of magazine article in question: http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/5135/psm23vg.jpg
"There's no doubting that NVIDIA's new 7800GTX is the ultimate in PC graphics technology. The card's G70 GPU, which is more than twice as powerful as two of NVIDIA's previous top-of-the-line 6800 boards, shares a lot of similar inner workings with the PS3's RSX chip, only it isn't as fast. Oh, and it retails for $599."
Evil Avatar misinterpreted what it meant, here is what the article actually means:
"There's no doubting that NVIDIA's new 7800GTX is the ultimate in PC graphics technology. The PC graphics card's G70 GPU, which is more than twice as powerful as two of NVIDIA's previous top-of-the-line 6800 boards, shares a lot of similar inner workings with the PS3's RSX chip, only the PC graphics card isn't as fast. Oh, and the PC graphics card retails for $599."
All other articles are based on this one wrong article.
-- Thax 18:31, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting that. Oh, what an unclear antecedent can do! ;) Amren (talk) 02:40, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
You should note that the actual graphics chips is not very expensive. The memory, PCB and everything else makes it expensive. Add to that the salaries of the people the sale of the card contributes to. And that when the machine is released, the technology will be mature and yields should be optimal. NeOak 03:46, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I have heard rumours that the PS3 will use the new Soundblaster X-Fi card, due out Fall 2005... Including Creative themselves saying "Expect to see X-Fi in everything from game consoles to..."
Anybody care to either shoot this down, or confirm it?
-- Wulf 05:45, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
Could someone please QUICKLY update the info on PS3 controller. A revised design of the controller has been released for quite some time. Check out this Gamespot link
Would the ps2's controller fit into the slot of the ps3's slot and work?
Why has the release date been changed from Spring 2006 to Fall 2006 (by
Xizer)?
As far as I know, the correct release date is Spring 2006... As verified by Sony chairman and CEO
Howard Stringer. --
Wulf
03:09, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Sony is backtracking on the release date. Before they said Spring 2006. Now on their CES web site they can only say 2006. http://www.sony.com/ces/playstation.shtml Everyone with history in this field know this means they have a bit of trouble making their original Spring commitment. They are trying hard to release it by the end of May in Japan, but aren't sure. This would qualify to them as Spring or Q2 release to biz folks. Daniel.Cardenas 02:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
sorry about this but... you know i wanna know what 7th gen is better ps3 tech spec , revo tech spec or xbo360 stech spec i heard ps3 tech spec was the most powerful
How is Pentuim 1 more powerful than 4? The higher it goes, the more powerful it is! >x<ino 08:31, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
The PS3 is getting massive support from Japanese developers and I added in some rpgs to the games in development section. Heres the big list of them all. http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/brothersinarms3/news_6133515.html
Both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 support reading and writing between the CPU and the GPU at the exact same time. Xbox 360 has a 10.8GB/s connect that runs both ways at the same time. The PS3 runs a 20/15 split. Normally you can only communicate with one bandwidth a time making it so you cant add them, however when the PC/console is capable of using both at once they can be added. Its called an aggregated bandwidth, just in the case of the PS3 its lopsided.
1. PS3 was the winner of the E3 2005 Best Peripheral / Hardware Award. (I dont think its there in the article but it should be)
2. Keyboard/ mouse support in games in addition to the PS3 controller ( http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=25858 )
3. PS3 can possibly act as a server, terminal, switch and hub ( http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10033 )
4. Keyboard, mouse, printer, scanner and other USB peripheral support will be available through Linux OS via the 6 USB ports in PlayStation 3. (I dont have a proof for this, but this is logical given that PS3 can act as a PC and has 6 USB ports).
5. Comparison table showing performance figures for PS3 GPU, Xbox 360 GPU and G70 ( http://www.hardspell.com/newsimage/2005-6-21-16-10-14-654986702.gif)
6. Microsoft claims Xbox 360 has 5X times the memory bandwidth of PS3. But this is a misleading marketing hype. This link carries out an unbiased apples to apples comparison of memory bandwidth: http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/article.asp?SCID=28&CIID=23155&p=7
7. You could add this quote somewhere:
"We're looking at a life cycle of 10 years with the PlayStation 3. We're currently shifting from standard TVs to HD TVs," said Kutaragi. "But in the next couple of years, most flat-panel TVs will be full HD. We're releasing the PS3 with full HD features from the start so that consumers won't have to buy another version of the console in the future. For the same reason, we're using Blu-ray as the PS3's disc format." - Ken Kutaragi ( http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/lair/news.html?sid=6129611)
I suggest that the section "Storage" be split into 2.
The first section should be titled "Optical/Hard Disks". Here info on the slot-loading Blu-Ray/DVD/CD-ROM drive and the Linux pre-installed hard disk can be put.
The second section should be titled "Flash Memory Cards". It should also probably cleaned up and written something like this:
- combined slot for Secure Digital (SD) and MultiMedia (MMC) card
- slot for Compact Flash (CF) Type I
- slot for Compact Flash (CF) Type II - this slot also supports MicroDrives.
- slot for Memory Stick Standard/ Standard Pro
- slot for Memory Stick Duo/ Duo Pro
I suggest that the section on region coding is edited. As for as I know, nothing has been confirmed. I think that, especially, non-region coding on movies is rather unlikely, and the quotation is focused on games. Martin 14:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I suggest we archive some of the outdated sections of talk, as the page is becoming rather lengthy, so that it takes quite a while to load...
My idea would be to move all the currently outdated sections to "/Archive 1" (to be renamed to "/Pre-launch Archive 1" after launch...) After launch move all the remaining speculation to "/Pre-launch Archive 2". After that I suppose we could start with "/Archive 1" and go on from there...
-- Wulf 03:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
If memory serves me correctly, SquareEnix has broken away from Sony and joined up with Microsoft. They are planning to release Final Fantasy XIII on the Microsoft Xbox 360, as well as re-release Final Fantasy XI and XII on Microsoft systems.
your both kinda right, SE has expressed a lot of interest in the xbox 360 and i think is going to release more than just 11 on the 360 next year (we'll see), and even though it makes since for them to release FF11 on 360, so would releaseing the Unannounced FFXIII game. SE is still in bed with Sony, however sony does not have a exclusivity agreement with SE regarding there games so XIII on 360 is very very possible. Tik 20:10, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
To first user: You might be thinking of Mist Walker. Alot of former Square members have signed on there. -- Psi edit
Actually, FFXIII isn't even confirmed for PS3. Thusfar, SquareEnix has expressed interest in developing versions for both the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360.
You should put a note in that section, the backwards compatibility section should get a note refering that the sources are unofficial and may be rumors. Jzhang 16:19, 18 November 2005 (PST)
Any ideas how many gigabytes of space the Hard Drive will provide? Dionyseus 19:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Going to rearrange the topics some in order of importance. If anyone doesnt like the new layout mention something here. Taladar 10:29, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I know the various systems were known for their "bittage" (i.e. SNES was 16-bit, PSX was 32-bit, N64 was 64-bit, and PS2/X-Box/Dreamcast/Gamecube were 128-bit); what's this "generation"? Still 128-bit, or 256-bit? -- Yar Kramer 21:07, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Any idea what interface the hard drives will be under?
It'll be cool if sata drives allow hard drive chaining
Doesn't go anywhere but a screwed page on IGN.
I don't think the animation style of the controller works with the squigly lines. I also think there might be a copyright issue.
The official name of this console is PLAYSTATION 3, not PlayStation 3. Also, I have never heard of it being called PS3.
I am changing the comments on overall floating point performance to more accurately reflect the information that we have available to us right now. I want to make it clear what my reasoning for these changes is:
Firstly, I would like to update the calculations regarding the total floating point performance of the Cell microprocessor. According to IBM's Paper on the design and implementation of the Cell, an individual SPE has a peak floating point capacity of 25.6 GFLOPS in single precision. The 7 enabled SPEs in the PS3's Cell would total a theoretical maximum of 179.2 GFLOPS. This is in addition to the performance of the VMX unit in the PPE, which we do not have definite numbers for. However, the PPE in the Cell is the result of the same design process that led to the 3 symmetric cores in the Xbox 360's Xenon CPU, which also have one VMX-128 unit each. Based on Microsoft's marketing, the theoretical peak performance of the Xenon is 115 GFLOPS. Dividing by 3, the performance of a single core's VMX unit should be about 38.3 GFLOPS, which we can take to be a reasonable approximation for the PPE in the Cell. The total single-precision floating point performance of the Cell should then be 218 GFLOPS. I want to emphasize, here, that my calculation is in line with Sony's own marketing materials, as well as the performance of IBM's server blades (about 200 GFLOPS for one 3.0 GHz cell). I would also like to emphasize that this theoretical maximum performance would be well-nigh impossible to achieve in real-world applications. The IBM report referenced above details testing which indicates that SPEs can be expected to achieve about 75.9% of their maximum performance under normal operation.
Secondly, I am changing the comments that indicated that the Cell is equal to or slightly better than the Xbox 360's CPU at floating point tasks. When we use IBM's factor of 75.9%, the Cell will still perform at over 165 GFLOPS (or 136 GFLOPS for the SPEs alone), which is significantly higher than the Xbox 360's theoretical maximum of 115 GFLOPS (of course, real world performance for the 360 can be expected to be reduced by a similar factor). I am returning the article to the old language which read "considerably higher".
Finally, all this information about the theoretical and estimated practical performance of the Cell in particular and the PS3 in general well bear a disclaimer indicating that all calculations are a theoretical maximum based on a best-case scenario. The 75.9% performance factor will be mentioned, as will the fact that specifications may change before the PS3 is launched. The difficulty in optimizing for the Cell architecture will also be addressed.
Spoonboy42 03:50, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
it was said that the ps3 would be able to go on the internet.i didnt see anything on the main page for this unless it was deleted
Sony has said it will be expensive. The cost to produce the PS3 has been estimated to be $451. Also it was suggested that Sony would sell an add-on hard disk to allow Linux to run on the PS3. This suggest that they can not sell the PS3 for a loss. The realist price for the PS3 is then $450+. Daniel
They are suggesting a traditional PC box sales model for the PS3, not the sold at a loss model. -Daniel
-Daniel
Putting a price of $300 is unrealistic. You were confused about hard disk option. You are in violation of the wikipedia 3 revert rule. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR Let the consensus opinion stand. - Daniel
Why is it so important to list an expected price? Any number we put up there now is just speculation, any number of analysts will come up with estimated prices, and we can keep tossing around analyst sources left and right, it doesn't mean any of them are more valid then the other. We should just say that the price is still to be determined, leave in that sony mentioned it will be expencive, take out the references to the xbox 360's price and leave it up to the reader to go find rumors themselves.
If you guys remember the psp launch, analysts are infact frequently wrong, and sony doesn't automatically sell their systems for the same price over here that they do in japan.
The little pricing edit war really needs to stop, and we need to reach a compromize or you guys are gonna keep on going in this edit war over speculation, not even fact. Seraphim 22:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Notice the prices for the blu-ray disks that are coming out? http://www.blureporter.com/blu-ray/news/111 Manufacturors aren't stupid and they are aware of Sony's plans. They wouldn't be releasing these devices unless they feel they are competitive with Sony playstation 3. Because of this I'm expecting the PS3 to come out with a price as high as $650. Daniel.Cardenas 13:46, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
The Blue-Ray technology is Sony's, they can price it whatever they want. I expect the PS3 to retail somewhere between $300 and $400. Dionyseus 14:23, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Right now the only official sony word is spring 2006, and they reiterated spring 2006 at CES.
However the article currently says May 2006 based on a gameshout article that was posted 2 days before CES. Now I don't mean to sound mean or anything, but "Gameshout" is not a major game news network, why would sony give them such a HUGE exclusive? An exclusive that they didn't even mention at a major press conference 2 days later. Also in one of their posts today http://www.gameshout.com/news/012006/article2370.htm they completly contradict themselves. And switch back to the spring 2006 date. And on top of that they say that "Sony also mentions that the Sony PS3 will be unveiled at the annual video game conference E3 in Los Angeles" since E3 is in may, if that's true, they would be announcing the release of their system and releasing it within 30 days globally. That's not gonna happen. Even more contradiction "Just yesterday at CES, Sony said that they will have a Blu-ray disc player in "Summer 2006"." there are going to be no BD players untill a few months after PS3 launches?
I'm going to remove the may 2006 dates and revert them to the Spring 2006 official line. Also i'm going to remove the Gameshout Link because it's obviously not a valid source. Seraphim 02:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Northern Hemisphere release in summer is wrong and should be removed. North America is correct. Unlikely release in that time frame to China, India, Russia, etc... Daniel.Cardenas 06:19, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Either way, right now the latest word from sony is a generic 2006, all sources from before they made that annoucement are no longer the most up to date info, and therefore the "2006" is what should be posted. Seraphim 06:49, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
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i can;t found doncs about it and it isn't mentioned here
See them [1]. Do you think this should be an External link? • Thorpe • 11:24, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Here is a link to the 4 page PlayStation 3 FAQ at IGN written 7/26/05. I put it here cause I saw this:
<!-- ========================================================= --> <!-- DO NOT ADD MORE LINKS, THIS SITE IS NOT A LINK DEPOSITORY --> <!-- If you have a link that you want added please --> <!-- use the talk page before you post anything. --> <!-- ========================================================= -->
- Hyad 05:09, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
I have lots of games currently saved on PS 2 cards. Will the PS 3 accept these older cards? This will ultimately be the deciding factor on my buying the PS 3 so I really need to know.
There might be some kind of USb adapter for them. I know things like that exist. -- HQ 10:35, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
"Each chip includes 8 SPEs, but one is disabled to improve yields and reduce costs"... could that be expanded on? I assume they carefully choose which SPE to disable based on malfunctioning/underperforming; through that they get higher yields. Perhaps when/how/who made that decision, and what is the failure rate of SPE's (although I know that's likely unknown)... and maybe it could lose the bold, and just be a normal sentence/paragraph with punctuation. - Roy Boy 800 21:57, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
"Reports quoting high-ranking Sony officials" is kinda vague, if those reports quote unnamed officials rather than Sony announcing it outright then it's probable that Sony's only implying a simultaneous as a business strategy. They suggest that the PS3 will be available in North America just six months after the Xbox 360, people might believe it and hold off. Then when it doesn't come out, Sony's had time to build more hype and also note that they never announced a Spring 2006 release for North America. So they get the effect of an official announcement without the responsibility to uphold their word. I don't know, I guess I jsut don't agree with the wording and had to share my thoughts.
Hello,
I am the webmaster of the original 'Playstation 3 Resource Centre', setup back in October 2001. I have provided information, news alerts, forums, polls and images for my users for some years now. The site is unbiased and contains useful and relevant resources for those interested in Playstation 3. Before the 'Playstation 3' article was protected, I placed a link to my website in the external links section, I now see it has been removed. Could someone please re-consider my website for addition to this excellent resource.
Kindest Regards
Craig Hughes Playstation 3 Resource Centre
http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/ps3
I wrote up a humorous piece about Playstation 3s on my blog and thought I'd share a smile with people who are following up to date developments. It's here:
Playstation 3 humor piece 12/17/2005
Realberserker
20:23, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the input. I'm working on learning to permalink, and I'll switch it over to that after I update the blog accordingly. And, it's pretty clearly labeled as a parody here, so thanks again for the frown. Realberserker 14:31, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Permalink added. Realberserker 05:12, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I have this article to contribute that discusses the upcoming console war between Xbox and PS3. The Ivory TreeWhat does math say about the upcoming console war
Recently Purchased company to help with the API:
punctuation problems
Please, change link linuxhdd in References to
# ^ "Add-on PlayStation 3 HDD will run Linux". June 9, 2005.{{ cite news}}
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ignored ( help)
no Google caching is needed more. (I was User:194.85.82.121, when this link was deleted)
1. When was this page vandalized? I think it has been atleast a week now...
2. When will this page be un-edit protected?
3. Why can't I find this page on the list of edit protected pages?
Thanks,
-- Wulf 03:13, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
Could it be that the protectifying of the page was the vandalism... thereby justifying itself? O_o MrD 21:48, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
At least one of the recent vandalism sources would be GameFAQ's "users" - http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=213&topic=23192491 (May need a GameFAQ's account, I don't know) was posted last night. Could be worth contacting him with the IP addresses of people concerned, to see if he's interested in doing anything - Tohya
OK, it's been over 24 hours so I unprotected it. Hopefully they don't start up again. Everyking 05:48, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
This is to question the statement that the PS3 "was in non-operational form at E3". Where is the source of that? I believe that should be further looked into. I believe that is WAS operating part-time at E3, and there have been rumors that when it was doing demos, the prototype was using an inferior chip running at 2.4GHz instead of the RSX chip's proper speed of 3.2GHz.
see [ [3]]
At least we can be sure [most of] the TGS footage was rendered on the Cell (although not the final RSX...) :) -- Wulf 19:38, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
The Killzone movie is completely pre-rendered CG, and the highly anticipated Final Fantasy VII Tech Demo is also pre-rendered CG, which is clearly stated by Square Enix as "a projection of what the graphics would be like on PS3."
"... nVidia spokesperson was quoted in PlayStation Magazine saying that the RSX GPU is basically a slightly less powerful GeForce 7800. So says Evil Avatar, having seen the magazine.* " http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25838
Scan of magazine article in question: http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/5135/psm23vg.jpg
"There's no doubting that NVIDIA's new 7800GTX is the ultimate in PC graphics technology. The card's G70 GPU, which is more than twice as powerful as two of NVIDIA's previous top-of-the-line 6800 boards, shares a lot of similar inner workings with the PS3's RSX chip, only it isn't as fast. Oh, and it retails for $599."
Evil Avatar misinterpreted what it meant, here is what the article actually means:
"There's no doubting that NVIDIA's new 7800GTX is the ultimate in PC graphics technology. The PC graphics card's G70 GPU, which is more than twice as powerful as two of NVIDIA's previous top-of-the-line 6800 boards, shares a lot of similar inner workings with the PS3's RSX chip, only the PC graphics card isn't as fast. Oh, and the PC graphics card retails for $599."
All other articles are based on this one wrong article.
-- Thax 18:31, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting that. Oh, what an unclear antecedent can do! ;) Amren (talk) 02:40, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
You should note that the actual graphics chips is not very expensive. The memory, PCB and everything else makes it expensive. Add to that the salaries of the people the sale of the card contributes to. And that when the machine is released, the technology will be mature and yields should be optimal. NeOak 03:46, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I have heard rumours that the PS3 will use the new Soundblaster X-Fi card, due out Fall 2005... Including Creative themselves saying "Expect to see X-Fi in everything from game consoles to..."
Anybody care to either shoot this down, or confirm it?
-- Wulf 05:45, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
Could someone please QUICKLY update the info on PS3 controller. A revised design of the controller has been released for quite some time. Check out this Gamespot link
Would the ps2's controller fit into the slot of the ps3's slot and work?
Why has the release date been changed from Spring 2006 to Fall 2006 (by
Xizer)?
As far as I know, the correct release date is Spring 2006... As verified by Sony chairman and CEO
Howard Stringer. --
Wulf
03:09, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Sony is backtracking on the release date. Before they said Spring 2006. Now on their CES web site they can only say 2006. http://www.sony.com/ces/playstation.shtml Everyone with history in this field know this means they have a bit of trouble making their original Spring commitment. They are trying hard to release it by the end of May in Japan, but aren't sure. This would qualify to them as Spring or Q2 release to biz folks. Daniel.Cardenas 02:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
sorry about this but... you know i wanna know what 7th gen is better ps3 tech spec , revo tech spec or xbo360 stech spec i heard ps3 tech spec was the most powerful
How is Pentuim 1 more powerful than 4? The higher it goes, the more powerful it is! >x<ino 08:31, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
The PS3 is getting massive support from Japanese developers and I added in some rpgs to the games in development section. Heres the big list of them all. http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/brothersinarms3/news_6133515.html
Both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 support reading and writing between the CPU and the GPU at the exact same time. Xbox 360 has a 10.8GB/s connect that runs both ways at the same time. The PS3 runs a 20/15 split. Normally you can only communicate with one bandwidth a time making it so you cant add them, however when the PC/console is capable of using both at once they can be added. Its called an aggregated bandwidth, just in the case of the PS3 its lopsided.
1. PS3 was the winner of the E3 2005 Best Peripheral / Hardware Award. (I dont think its there in the article but it should be)
2. Keyboard/ mouse support in games in addition to the PS3 controller ( http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=25858 )
3. PS3 can possibly act as a server, terminal, switch and hub ( http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10033 )
4. Keyboard, mouse, printer, scanner and other USB peripheral support will be available through Linux OS via the 6 USB ports in PlayStation 3. (I dont have a proof for this, but this is logical given that PS3 can act as a PC and has 6 USB ports).
5. Comparison table showing performance figures for PS3 GPU, Xbox 360 GPU and G70 ( http://www.hardspell.com/newsimage/2005-6-21-16-10-14-654986702.gif)
6. Microsoft claims Xbox 360 has 5X times the memory bandwidth of PS3. But this is a misleading marketing hype. This link carries out an unbiased apples to apples comparison of memory bandwidth: http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/article.asp?SCID=28&CIID=23155&p=7
7. You could add this quote somewhere:
"We're looking at a life cycle of 10 years with the PlayStation 3. We're currently shifting from standard TVs to HD TVs," said Kutaragi. "But in the next couple of years, most flat-panel TVs will be full HD. We're releasing the PS3 with full HD features from the start so that consumers won't have to buy another version of the console in the future. For the same reason, we're using Blu-ray as the PS3's disc format." - Ken Kutaragi ( http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/lair/news.html?sid=6129611)
I suggest that the section "Storage" be split into 2.
The first section should be titled "Optical/Hard Disks". Here info on the slot-loading Blu-Ray/DVD/CD-ROM drive and the Linux pre-installed hard disk can be put.
The second section should be titled "Flash Memory Cards". It should also probably cleaned up and written something like this:
- combined slot for Secure Digital (SD) and MultiMedia (MMC) card
- slot for Compact Flash (CF) Type I
- slot for Compact Flash (CF) Type II - this slot also supports MicroDrives.
- slot for Memory Stick Standard/ Standard Pro
- slot for Memory Stick Duo/ Duo Pro
I suggest that the section on region coding is edited. As for as I know, nothing has been confirmed. I think that, especially, non-region coding on movies is rather unlikely, and the quotation is focused on games. Martin 14:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I suggest we archive some of the outdated sections of talk, as the page is becoming rather lengthy, so that it takes quite a while to load...
My idea would be to move all the currently outdated sections to "/Archive 1" (to be renamed to "/Pre-launch Archive 1" after launch...) After launch move all the remaining speculation to "/Pre-launch Archive 2". After that I suppose we could start with "/Archive 1" and go on from there...
-- Wulf 03:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
If memory serves me correctly, SquareEnix has broken away from Sony and joined up with Microsoft. They are planning to release Final Fantasy XIII on the Microsoft Xbox 360, as well as re-release Final Fantasy XI and XII on Microsoft systems.
your both kinda right, SE has expressed a lot of interest in the xbox 360 and i think is going to release more than just 11 on the 360 next year (we'll see), and even though it makes since for them to release FF11 on 360, so would releaseing the Unannounced FFXIII game. SE is still in bed with Sony, however sony does not have a exclusivity agreement with SE regarding there games so XIII on 360 is very very possible. Tik 20:10, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
To first user: You might be thinking of Mist Walker. Alot of former Square members have signed on there. -- Psi edit
Actually, FFXIII isn't even confirmed for PS3. Thusfar, SquareEnix has expressed interest in developing versions for both the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360.
You should put a note in that section, the backwards compatibility section should get a note refering that the sources are unofficial and may be rumors. Jzhang 16:19, 18 November 2005 (PST)
Any ideas how many gigabytes of space the Hard Drive will provide? Dionyseus 19:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Going to rearrange the topics some in order of importance. If anyone doesnt like the new layout mention something here. Taladar 10:29, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I know the various systems were known for their "bittage" (i.e. SNES was 16-bit, PSX was 32-bit, N64 was 64-bit, and PS2/X-Box/Dreamcast/Gamecube were 128-bit); what's this "generation"? Still 128-bit, or 256-bit? -- Yar Kramer 21:07, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Any idea what interface the hard drives will be under?
It'll be cool if sata drives allow hard drive chaining
Doesn't go anywhere but a screwed page on IGN.
I don't think the animation style of the controller works with the squigly lines. I also think there might be a copyright issue.
The official name of this console is PLAYSTATION 3, not PlayStation 3. Also, I have never heard of it being called PS3.
I am changing the comments on overall floating point performance to more accurately reflect the information that we have available to us right now. I want to make it clear what my reasoning for these changes is:
Firstly, I would like to update the calculations regarding the total floating point performance of the Cell microprocessor. According to IBM's Paper on the design and implementation of the Cell, an individual SPE has a peak floating point capacity of 25.6 GFLOPS in single precision. The 7 enabled SPEs in the PS3's Cell would total a theoretical maximum of 179.2 GFLOPS. This is in addition to the performance of the VMX unit in the PPE, which we do not have definite numbers for. However, the PPE in the Cell is the result of the same design process that led to the 3 symmetric cores in the Xbox 360's Xenon CPU, which also have one VMX-128 unit each. Based on Microsoft's marketing, the theoretical peak performance of the Xenon is 115 GFLOPS. Dividing by 3, the performance of a single core's VMX unit should be about 38.3 GFLOPS, which we can take to be a reasonable approximation for the PPE in the Cell. The total single-precision floating point performance of the Cell should then be 218 GFLOPS. I want to emphasize, here, that my calculation is in line with Sony's own marketing materials, as well as the performance of IBM's server blades (about 200 GFLOPS for one 3.0 GHz cell). I would also like to emphasize that this theoretical maximum performance would be well-nigh impossible to achieve in real-world applications. The IBM report referenced above details testing which indicates that SPEs can be expected to achieve about 75.9% of their maximum performance under normal operation.
Secondly, I am changing the comments that indicated that the Cell is equal to or slightly better than the Xbox 360's CPU at floating point tasks. When we use IBM's factor of 75.9%, the Cell will still perform at over 165 GFLOPS (or 136 GFLOPS for the SPEs alone), which is significantly higher than the Xbox 360's theoretical maximum of 115 GFLOPS (of course, real world performance for the 360 can be expected to be reduced by a similar factor). I am returning the article to the old language which read "considerably higher".
Finally, all this information about the theoretical and estimated practical performance of the Cell in particular and the PS3 in general well bear a disclaimer indicating that all calculations are a theoretical maximum based on a best-case scenario. The 75.9% performance factor will be mentioned, as will the fact that specifications may change before the PS3 is launched. The difficulty in optimizing for the Cell architecture will also be addressed.
Spoonboy42 03:50, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
it was said that the ps3 would be able to go on the internet.i didnt see anything on the main page for this unless it was deleted
Sony has said it will be expensive. The cost to produce the PS3 has been estimated to be $451. Also it was suggested that Sony would sell an add-on hard disk to allow Linux to run on the PS3. This suggest that they can not sell the PS3 for a loss. The realist price for the PS3 is then $450+. Daniel
They are suggesting a traditional PC box sales model for the PS3, not the sold at a loss model. -Daniel
-Daniel
Putting a price of $300 is unrealistic. You were confused about hard disk option. You are in violation of the wikipedia 3 revert rule. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR Let the consensus opinion stand. - Daniel
Why is it so important to list an expected price? Any number we put up there now is just speculation, any number of analysts will come up with estimated prices, and we can keep tossing around analyst sources left and right, it doesn't mean any of them are more valid then the other. We should just say that the price is still to be determined, leave in that sony mentioned it will be expencive, take out the references to the xbox 360's price and leave it up to the reader to go find rumors themselves.
If you guys remember the psp launch, analysts are infact frequently wrong, and sony doesn't automatically sell their systems for the same price over here that they do in japan.
The little pricing edit war really needs to stop, and we need to reach a compromize or you guys are gonna keep on going in this edit war over speculation, not even fact. Seraphim 22:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Notice the prices for the blu-ray disks that are coming out? http://www.blureporter.com/blu-ray/news/111 Manufacturors aren't stupid and they are aware of Sony's plans. They wouldn't be releasing these devices unless they feel they are competitive with Sony playstation 3. Because of this I'm expecting the PS3 to come out with a price as high as $650. Daniel.Cardenas 13:46, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
The Blue-Ray technology is Sony's, they can price it whatever they want. I expect the PS3 to retail somewhere between $300 and $400. Dionyseus 14:23, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Right now the only official sony word is spring 2006, and they reiterated spring 2006 at CES.
However the article currently says May 2006 based on a gameshout article that was posted 2 days before CES. Now I don't mean to sound mean or anything, but "Gameshout" is not a major game news network, why would sony give them such a HUGE exclusive? An exclusive that they didn't even mention at a major press conference 2 days later. Also in one of their posts today http://www.gameshout.com/news/012006/article2370.htm they completly contradict themselves. And switch back to the spring 2006 date. And on top of that they say that "Sony also mentions that the Sony PS3 will be unveiled at the annual video game conference E3 in Los Angeles" since E3 is in may, if that's true, they would be announcing the release of their system and releasing it within 30 days globally. That's not gonna happen. Even more contradiction "Just yesterday at CES, Sony said that they will have a Blu-ray disc player in "Summer 2006"." there are going to be no BD players untill a few months after PS3 launches?
I'm going to remove the may 2006 dates and revert them to the Spring 2006 official line. Also i'm going to remove the Gameshout Link because it's obviously not a valid source. Seraphim 02:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Northern Hemisphere release in summer is wrong and should be removed. North America is correct. Unlikely release in that time frame to China, India, Russia, etc... Daniel.Cardenas 06:19, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Either way, right now the latest word from sony is a generic 2006, all sources from before they made that annoucement are no longer the most up to date info, and therefore the "2006" is what should be posted. Seraphim 06:49, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
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