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I think the reception part of this article only shows 1 side of the story, at the time I seem to remember a significant number of negative reviews regarding the PS3, articles pointing to the fact that even just after launch PS3's were easily available in stores, when compared to the Xbox and Wii launch, where neither system was readily available for months, and it is debatable that the Wii still isn't available. Also the launch party in Paris turned into a bit of a Shambles, and I think most of the attention was drawn to Microsoft with their party crashing stunts. StevenAFC
It may be doing fine in Britain, but not in US or Japan or even Europe in general. From wiki, Wii sales:
Region | Units sold | First available |
---|---|---|
North America | 2,342,880+ as of April 7 2007 [1] [2] | November 19 2006 |
Japan | 2,167,982 as of April 22 2007 [3] | December 2 2006 |
Europe | 2,000,000+ as of April 13 2007 [4] | December 8 2006 |
Australia / New Zealand | 80,000 / 6,000 as of March 31 2007 [5] | December 7 2006 |
Total | 6.60 million+ |
and PS3 sales:
Region | Units sold | Units shipped | First available |
---|---|---|---|
North America | 1,058,300+ as of February 28, 2007 [6] | 2 million+ as of January 7, 2007 [7] [8] | 17 November, 2006 |
Japan | 794,492+ as of March 25, 2007 [9] | 11 November, 2006 | |
Europe | 800,000+ as of April 17, 2007 [10] | 2 million+ as of
March 23,
2007 (Including New Zealand) |
23 March 2007 |
Australia | 36,000+ as of May 2, 2007 [11] | 23 March 2007 | |
Total | 2.69 million+ | Approx. 5.5 million+ citation needed |
(there's only a shipped figure on 360 page so I am not listing here)
I agree with Steven that as an informational page, this PS3 article is misleading on how PS3 is actually received by the public. The article mostly states the strengths of the PS3, but fails to account for why it is falling behind in sales. There have been information on negative reviews, but they don't survive long enough as someone always remove it real soon. Frank Law 03:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, But the "Reception" part is extremly biased. Hate ot break it to you, but the PS3 is doing absolutly HORRIBLE in both the US, Europe, and esspecially in Japan. First weeks sales don't matter when 6 monthes pass and it's doing worse then the PS2. You can't just use excerpts from Puplications during the first week of release. The reality is now, and that reality is that the PS3 is not living up to expectations. That passage is extremly one sided, both sides need to be put up.
Well, it did just sell one million units in Europe in less than ten weeks [1], better than both the original PlayStation and PlayStation 2 did in the same amount of time. If you call that doing horribly, then you must have quite high expectations. But yes, the PlayStation 3 is doing poorly in its native Japan, there is no denyng that, but you're wrong in saying that it is doing horribly in Europe. Also, as bad as it is doing in Japan, it's still doing far better there than the Xbox 360 is. Michael Mad 08:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
This section "On his SuperSite for Windows, Microsoft's MVP Paul Thurrott said in a review of the PS3 that Sony "absolutely has a winner on its hands" and that the console "has the technical prowess to not only compete, but win this round."[133]"
the phrase "Microsoft's MVP Paul Thurrott" implies that Paul works for Microsoft. he does not.
This should be simply "Microsoft MVP Paul Thurrott".
70.178.154.145 18:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
This article is way too long, a lot of the information is duplicated from other articles and does not belong here. I have a few ideas and would appreciate some feedback before making any changes to the article:
Cheers. – ARC Gritt TALK—The preceding comment was added 12:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC). [2]
3.6 Million PS3s have been sold as of March 2007. Also, the figure should be updated again in June after the console goes on sale in Korea.
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16171
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=112412
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/17/bloomberg/ps3.php
Also, I have been hearing that sales of the PlayStation 3 console on Amazon spiked after Gamers' Day [3]. Michael Mad 21:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you should read figures properly and not rush to copy inaccuracies. "by the Mar. 31 end of its fiscal year, its factories made and sent off just 5.5 million. Worse, the actual number of PS3s *****IN STORES**** was closer to 3.6 million." Business Week
In stores is NOT the same as sold. And judging by the number languishing on store shelves across the world in March it would be a gross overestimation.
The choice to follow Sony Marketing press releases in judgements on the launch claims is a shame - still that's about the only figures they will let anyone know, so a citation for more balanced opinion is nigh impossible. Un-citable sources suggest PS3 software sales have now sunk so horribly low in Japan as to be solidly below its MS rival for the first time in the history of video games. Starting to make the 'greatest launch ever' Marketing guff above look pretty silly really. Perhaps you can balance it out with an update of 'greatest Sega lookalike ever' when you get proper up to date figures some day?
IT is even worse as reported in Gamepro.com that Wii now selling 5-1 compared to PS3.. I got the feeling that PS3 are really in red zone.-Leong
Well, there have been more one million PS3 consoles sold in Europe, so that sales figure is indeed out of date. Michael Mad 08:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
In the 2nd paragraph of the article, it says:
"A single-layered Blu-ray disc boasts a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB. This is over 3x the maximum storage capacity of a single and dual-layered DVD-9 respectively, used in other consoles."
Now, you cannot have a single-layered DVD-9. The definition of DVD-9 is a single-sided dual-layered DVD, which is 8.5GB. Whereas a DVD-18 is a double-sided dual-layered DVD, which is 17GB.
So should it be re-written as:
"A single-layered Blu-ray disc boasts a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB. This is just under 3x the maximum storage capacity of a DVD-9 and DVD-18 respectively, used in other consoles."
or maybe:
"A single-layered Blu-ray disc boasts a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB. This is just under 6x the maximum storage capacity of a single and dual-layered DVD respectively, used in other consoles."
or better still:
"A single-layered Blu-ray disc boasts a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, which is approximately 3x the maximum storage capacity of a DVD-9, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB, about 6x the maximum storage capacity of a DVD-9."
Just to remind people:
DVD-5 (single-sided single-layered) = 4.7GB, DVD-9 (single-sided dual-layered) = 8.5GB, DVD-10 (double-sided single-layered) = 9.4GB, DVD-14 (double-sided single-layered/dual-layered) = 13.2GB, DVD-18 (double-sided dual-layered) = 17.0GB
So, any thoughts?
Dancinginblood 00:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
, if you feel it needs any further changes, go ahead and change it. :) – ARC Gritt TALK 20:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)A single-layered Blu-ray disc has a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB, almost 6x the maximum storage capacity of a DVD-9.
in the features chart at the top of the article, under HDMI, the 20GB model is listed as having HDMI, this is not the case and should be corrected in the interests of accuracy.
The 20GB model does have HDMI, it was added in a month or two before release.
72.12.138.36
18:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the 'User Modifications' section, as I believe on an article about the hardware, it is simply not notable. I'm sure millions over the world modify their products. Not only that, but how do you decide which modifications are notable. We also don't need the article to be any longer. Thanks. Slydevil 15:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I think you don't have to remove the User Modifications because this article helps expand the PS3 capabilities. Also, I wanted to know if you can change the SIXAXIS PS logo color in the middle. Thanks-Leong
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Should it be noted in the reception section that the song "How to Kill a Brand" (link here) focased on basically how "Sony killed the playstation brand"? Unknownlight 01:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this song should not be included. Might attract war of words. Just my 2 cent opinion.-Leong
No, that's just retarded internet fanboy fare. It has no place in this article. Let the PS3 have SOME dignity, won't you?
7FlushSetzer 01:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
--Uhm, nope. This is Wikipedia, not a fanboyist forum. Only important information plz--
Can anyone confirm that all PS3 support worldwide voltage? or is it just the Japanese PS3? Lancerex6 09:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
There have been rumors of a PS4 coming out 3rd quarter 2008-09. Is that really true, because everyone's talking about
What about a mention of http://www.ps3grid.net/PS3GRID/ ? It is a distributed computing science project that is specifically designed for the PS3 platform. Vgy7ujm 16:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=PlayStation_3&diff=130523460&oldid=130522799
Of course the PS3 is behind 360 in sales, it launched a whole year later, and globally later than the Wii. I feel it's worth mentioning this... In addition, nowhere has it been suggested that Ken Kutaragi was made to step down because of PS3 sales. It was always his plan to step down after PS3 was lauched.. I made these edits, and explained why, but they were simply reverted WITHOUT EXPLAINATION. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mgillespie ( talk • contribs) 12:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC).
True, the Wii had a four month head start in Europe. So what? You can't logically justify that a four month head start in one territory is enough to boost sales to the point of out-selling the competition (in this case, the PlayStation 3) by more than 2-to-1. Other factors are obviously involved in this situation. Perhaps the PS3 is too expensive? Perhaps there aren't enough good PS3 games out? Perhaps people didn't believe the hype this time around? It's a fact that every giant in video gaming has fallen: Atari, Sega, Nintendo, and now Sony. If those companies can't dominate the market every generation, what makes people think Sony can?
69.203.64.174
21:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't matter if the Wii or the 360 had a head start. If they had all been released at the same time PS3 would be in the same situation, dead last. It may be the fact it's too expensive, maybe that they are losing all of their exclusive titles to the other systems, or maybe it is that it just fails. Either way, buying a PS3 would be a mistake, since you can just buy all of the games for a cheaper system once they lose all their titles. And yes, 360's may break down (well mine hasn't and I got the earliest version from the Mountain Dew contests), but all of the money put into fixing a 360 would still outweigh the horrible mistakes of the PS3.
Wow, let's try to avoid the fanboyism here on Wikipedia. This page is for discussing how to make the article better, not discussing the article's topic itself. Useight 15:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I keep hearing from www.gamepro.com. There are people saying that 11th June or July, there will be a huge announcement by Sony.. What's that? Anyone heard of this before? -Leong
It was an announcement about The Agency MMO that is coming out on the PC and the PS3. Starwarsrulez 02:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, I know this might be too late... but on July 11, Sony will be making a huge announcement in the E3. Dnlkk94 03:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't see why it was put in the article Ken Kutaragi he stepped down because of the ps3. I can't seem to find a quote from Sony or Ken stating he stepped down due to lack of sales. Unless someone can find evidence otherwise I think the statement should be removed. Lt. penguin 21:21, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I have also seen and heard many many negative receptions about the PS3. The Reception side of the story appears to be written by an Sony Employee, not a partial observer. 74.138.94.60 06:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Should we mention that PS3 is selling less than the game boy advance and will be included in the dead platforms soon? After all, this article is so bad that it just can't get worse. Sir Dante 14:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Sony has sold more than one million PlayStation 3 consoles in Europe [4]. So much for your biased dead console theory. Michael Mad 16:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
It's not 1 million in Europe, it's 1 million PAL systems, which includes Australia. An interesting number would be the number of systems sold just in Europe. I wager that number is significantly lower than 'over 1 million.' Either way, if you combined European sales with Australian sales for the PS3's competitors, the numbers are skewed heavily in their favor.
Here's a (serious) question: So if Company X say they've shipped 1 million units of something, is there any way to verify if this is true? Is at all likely that Sony would say they had sold more than they had (this is a serious question, what I mean is, does anyone know of cases where companies have been misleading or openly lied about the sales of a product?) Gantlord 13:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, we just have to take their word for it. If we didn't trust the very maker of a product about its sales, then we can't trust anyone, and thus, the entire Wikipedia is pointless as we'd have no reliable sources. Oh, I just remembered, I'll have to change the sales about that the million units sold, it does counts Austrailia. Michael Mad 13:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I can understand if the rest of the sales are a tad outdated, by the Japanese sales are from all the way back in March. Despite the lackluster Japanese sales, the PS3 has sold more units in Japan than it had in March.
7FlushSetzer 22:50, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
--Unfortunately there has not been any update to the Japanese sales--
The PS3 has sold 1 million units in the UK! Themasterofwiki 18:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
"Poor sales and high costs of the PS3 led to Sony's games division posting a loss of ¥232.3 billion ($1.97 billion US) in the fiscal year ended March 2007" - Criticism Since the PS3 sells at a hefty loss per unit, the greater this figure is, the more PS3's are sold. They will take losses regardless of "poor sales", so please remove that little obfuscation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitamaru ( talk • contribs)
--They actually gain the money spent with software sales. It usually takes a year or two, so its a long process. SONY also suffered heavy losses with PS2 launch--
Why ist IPTV just with the Korean version possible? Every version can connect to the internet.. and with a softwareupdate IPTV should be avaliable.. McCoother 13:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
In the article it states that "The PlayStation 3 uses a version of the NetFront browser by Access Co. as its internal web browser. " but if you read OFFICIAL interviews with the higher ups at sony(mainly by those speaking only Japanese) say that it was developed INTERNALLY but sony.
Just thought I'd point it out before someone looks it up on a website that bases it so called facts on mere appearance and not any official sources. I have fixed this in the article about the web browser but its hard to proven when you can't translate Japanese to English.
Once again...Appearances aren't everything. -- 71.252.209.111 20:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Well tbhe browser reports it's ID as NETFRONT, so I trust that. I think the Sony official was confused.. -- Mgillespie 18:38, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
When will the PS3 drop in price in the U.S. and what will it go down to?-- Roxas 00:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6173349.html
We can say that the combined sales for Australia and Europe are AT LEAST 1,050,000.
7FlushSetzer 19:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
No, the combined sales of Europe and Austrailia would be just one million plus, as Sony has sold one million PlayStation 3 consoles in all Pal territories, not just in Europe(Austrailia, if you may not already know, would be a PAL territory). Michael Mad 19:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Since its release, the Playstation 3 has also been outselling the Wii and the Xbox 360 in Australia. [12]
I believe this sentence is misleading as it implies that the PS3 has sold more units since its launch than the Wii did in the same amount of weeks after its launch, which is not true. Comments? - ARC Gritt TALK 22:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I've clarified the sentence since then.
Beta
It's expected for the PS3 to be consistently outselling the other consoles as it's only months after its launch, just wait, in a few months the Wii will be trouncing the PS3. Maybe that should be added to the article (except for the Wii trouncing bit, little bit of fanboyism there :)) カ ラ ム 21:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Anyone think it's worth mentioning the Internet news/blog sites hat campaign aganist Sony and the PS3? Even a total idiot can see the PS3 comes in for unfair criticism, and it's nothing more than sites wanting to knock the previous generations winner.. Is it also worth mentioning Microsoft's FUD war against the PS3? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgillespie ( talk • contribs)
Microsoft isnt using FUD, its because they have unlimited funding, unlike sony who realies on PS2 and PS3 sales as the main income for money.
If you have a reliable source to back up your claims, then perhaps it is worth mentioning. Oh, and please sign your posts. Michael Mad 12:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Are you crazy,Michael...Sony relying solely on the Playstation brand for revenue.Have you forgotten that Sony is the 2nd largest consumer electronics manufacturer in the world and that it's sales are nearly 10-20 billion dollars ahead of Microsoft.And believe me,no company can say it has unlimited funding...losses are losses whether you are a fortune 500 company or a small business. Sugreev2001 20:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Non notable, in Google Search the first 20 pages no results for Phantasy Star 3 and being a gamer for years never heard PS3 in reference for that game. -- Ciao 90 14:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Many sites are reporting the horrendous failure rates of the 360 (between 25% and 30%), and comparing to the PS3 and Wii systems with less than 1%. I think this is important information that should be added to the article. -- 195.75.83.25 16:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I have heard that though the PS3 is currently a failure in terms of video gaming it may have tipped the blu-ray format war to Sony. It would be nice to see something of this sort in the article. 71.219.94.176 00:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Only people that believe Microsoft's FUD, actually think the PS3 is a failure. It's sales are very good, considering it's only been out 7 months in the NTSC regions and 4 months in PAL regions..—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgillespie ( talk • contribs) 17:48, July 7, 2007
I was thinking about this, something should be mentioned about PS3 technical issues
Microsoft isnt using FUD, its because they have unlimited funding, unlike sony who realies on PS2 and PS3 sales as the main income for money.
http://news.com.com/Sony+cuts+PS3+price+by+100/2100-1043_3-6195402.html?tag=nefd.top
http://kotaku.com/gaming/truth/retailer-confirms-100-ps3-price-cut-275456.php
Ofcourse this is kotaku, a blog site. So take it with a grain of salt, just saying to you account holders to expect this addition to the article in the coming weeks. 76.64.193.9 01:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173806.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0-- Dentine 02:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Looks pretty official now:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6283170.stm
Why isn't the price of the console mentioned anywhere in the article? - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I have done some edits, as the original article implied that only Korean PS3's had IPTV compatability, and that there was some internal hardware difference to the PAL PS3. Sony have confirmed that the only difference is the 80GB HDD. Son in effect all PS3's are IPTV ready. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgillespie ( talk • contribs) 17:55, July 7, 2007
60GB PS3 with 5 free Blu-Ray movies for $499 in Target, Best Buy, Circuit City etc.....
http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/4586
http://www.ps3news.ca/07072007/22/confirmed_499_ps3_has_been_sold_at_target
http://www.laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=2686
http://kotaku.com/gaming/rumor/more-moles-confirm-ps3-price-drop-275588.php
its been dropped http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173806.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0-- Dentine 02:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
It's definitely official (and promises a new 80 GB model: http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/fun.games/07/09/sony.price.reut/index.html DarkSol 23:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Before the article is reviewed by another editor, be sure to add sources for all of the statements that have "citation needed" tags or remove them until a source can be found. If there are too many on the page, an article may be quick-failed solely for that purpose instead of being put on hold. The article is well-sourced already, covers the broad aspect, and has images, so don't let it fail over a few statements. Good work so far, and please address these before somebody reviews it. -- Nehrams2020 04:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Removed the following unsourced statements:
Will look for references for these later incase they can be readded. - ARC Gritt TALK 12:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
For the price drop, what region(s) is it for? Just NA? -- Zeno McDohl (talk) 14:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm curious about the wording in the beginning of the article, "...and the successor to the PlayStation and PlayStation 2." Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't something only succeed the direct previous model in a line? That is, can't it technically only be the successor to the PS2 due to the very fact the PS2 succeeded the PS1? I'd alter it myself, but I wanted to know if there was some official reason why it's worded this way before I stuck my nose in. But, to me it's bit like saying, "The Wii is the successor to the Nintendo 64 and Nintendo GameCube," or, "The Sega Dreamcast is the successor to the Sega Master System, the Sega Genesis/32X/CD and the Sega Saturn," or "The Core2 Duo CPU succeeds the Pentium, Pentium II, Pentium III, Pentium IV...." Well, you get the point. Any thoughts? Danny 21:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't help but notice that the "Publicity and reception" portion of this page has nothing but good things to say about the PS3. Since this is suppose to be an unbiased website, I feel that it is fair to include the overwhelmingly negative press the PS3 has received. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the PS3 is indeed receiving more negative press than positive. I know that's asking a lot, considering this page is run by a slew of Sony fanboys but 10X better than bretchels comp. -- 172.146.207.110 01:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
It is semi-biased but on the other hand it does have at least something about negative Sony's horrid PR relations after they announced the PS3's price point.
Rgoodermote 21:51 July 10Th, 2007 (UTC)
According to some of you Microsoft cronies,everyone else is a Sony Fanboy. Sugreev2001 20:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
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Re #4: just over an hour ago I had a similar perception to this, but I just did a google search for "PS3 review" and looked at the top 10 results. None of them gave an overall bad review to the console, whilst most of them did critisize the lack of decent games and its price. Most said that overall it was a good buy due to it's Blu-Ray functionality. I have tried to add something to the reception section, but I feel that it should be rewritten from scratch using the existing references. - ARC Gritt TALK 18:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Re #3: I have significantly cut down the amount of information in the CPU section. - ARC Gritt TALK 22:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Re #2: I removed one of ther sentences from this section, and added it to another section on this talk page awaiting citation. It would be good to also get a citation for the Europe release date. - ARC Gritt TALK 22:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
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A second review, so quickly? It hasn't even been a day yet... Carson 03:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Dancter, that link doesn't work for me. I *do* seem to recall reading something about it in a deletions request, but I don't recall ever seeing him directly state that he never based his image on a photograph. I'm not implying that he intended to break the rules, but rather did so accidentally. (I've frequently seen cases in wikipedia where uploaders didn't understand what a 'derivative work' was, and uploaded modifications or tracings, presenting them as being their own work)
What's more, commons is commons. I don't have an account there, and don't choose to create one just for a single purpose. My only concern is what's here in english wikipedia, which appears to include a rather conspicuous (though unintentional) copyvio.
Bladestorm
14:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Alrighty, it's been 4 days into the hold, so here's a review update:
Carson 22:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
It says the wii has a close to 0% failure rate, and this is cited by a quote from a single retailer. This is not factual please someone remove that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.153.179.242 ( talk • contribs) 16:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
In the Publicity and Reception section, the last sentence in the third paragraph is repeated. I'd remove it myself, but the article is locked.
Is this true?
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article2750521.ece
How does the power supply work for the ps3? I've been told that it only gets power from the Tv its connected too, and does not have a plug. Is this true? If not, how does the plug difference effect the North American and pal regions? Because as i understand it they both have different mains supply voltages. Also, is it possible to use a North American ps3 in Europe and vice-versa? -- Chickenfeed9 20:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thanks for the fast response. -- Chickenfeed9 20:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I have a japanese ps3 in australia and its has run fine since march using an off the shelf pc power cable. The only evidence i have that the psu is universal is a picture on this site http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/NEWS/20061111/123436/, which i found from this forum post http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=871008&postcount=10. edit: The australian support manual also list a universal power supply in the specs http://au.playstation.com/assets/support/PS3/PS3-02_03-1.5_1.pdf. However the American manual only lists american voltages. -- Kfyh 60.240.142.65 16:10, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26704
"SCEE president David Reeves has told GamesIndustry.biz that the 60GB PlayStation 3 will no longer be available in the US after stock sells out - which he predicts will occur by the end of the month" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.202.81.116 ( talk • contribs) 14:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/13/sony-says-60gb-is-not-over-in-us/
Specially when things like that pop up. I wonder how long we'll have to wait for exact, 100% set in stone verification.
7FlushSetzer 01:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Even though the source says that it is as of July 9th, the article says the sales were as of May. Let's not use sales as of 2 months ago and not admit to it.
7FlushSetzer 16:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
That's me.
I'm backseat because I'm still trying to understand Wikipedia's codes. In the mean time, I'll cry if I see something wrong.
7FlushSetzer 22:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
[9] I feel this article describes this news the best. It's just a rumour at this point based on what a few people in high places at Sony been heard to have said. At this point it is not confirmed and not the official Sony position so stating it in the article as fact is misleading. It may very well turn out to be true but until that time I would only include it in the article if it's clearly stated it's a rumour. It's also disputed by others [10]. I have removed it before discussing for this reason, it's uncomfirmed and people reading this article may get the wrong information. I hope anyone who disagrees with my edit will understand based on this comment. Since this rumour is denied by some I would term the sources publishing it online to be "questionable sources" per WP:RS and don't feel the article should follow up on every rumour to be circulating in gaming circles. — Tutmosis 19:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else concur with me that Sony has used cheap business practices in order to "compete" with other systems? I mainly speak of how sony copies other system's features and change the name and look so they can call it their own. You may say, "But Sony needs to do this in order to survive." I say that's not true, they can come up with original features. An example of their theft is the use of a wifi module (used from the PSP but STOLEN from the Nintendo DS) which can download previous titles onto the PS3. (An Obvious theft from Nintendo's Virtual Console) Also, probably the cheapest rip-offs ever encountered, is the theft of the gyroscopic controller. They had the "Boomerang" Controller announced for a few years, then all of a sudden pulled it back and issued a gyroscopic controller very similar to the Wii's controller with gyroscopic capabilities. This is why I believe that Sony has unethical business ethics. C. Pineda 00:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
ReyBrujo & Useight: "Talk pages are for discussing articles, not topics" is a stupid comment that shouldn't even be here. Any information that could be contributed to an article to make it more up-to-date and informative should be valid to TALK about on TALK pages. If it turns out not to be valid, fine, but don't shoot something down right away because you don't want to hear it: TALK about it first. 12.206.192.78 13:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I had to go back and reread it but I found it interesting that the PS3, according to this article, both was outsold and outsold the Xbox 360 in June. There are some numbers on the 360 page but I'm not sure who's right. I don't have unlimited access here at work so if anyone can help remedy these conflicting numbers that would be great. Eris11 16:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
PS3s sales are very low! i mean PS1 sold 110 million while PS2 has sold well over 120 million! PS3 has roughly sold 3,5 million in months! Wii is way ahead with about 8.5 million and xbox360 11.5 mil0lion! nitendo is the leading companie. I was lanched several (a LOT of) months after XBOX360 and it has sold almost at much (360:11.5 mil wii:8.5 mil.). Should i write anything! Other Opinions!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.32.16 ( talk • contribs)
-- Mysterious Spy 15:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Those sales were counted when the PS1 and PS2 were long relieased the PS3 is still new and has started the same as the PS2 did so its still uninterpatable what the end sales will be. There is no company called Wii, Wii is made by a "companie" called nintendo
well ur right! i wrote "wii is the leading companie..." sorry mistake, thanks for correcting...
-- Mysterious Spy 15:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
-- Mysterious Spy 17:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
That was painful to read, because it was incredibly incorrect through and through. Yes, the PS2 sold 1 million in Japan in 3 days, but everything else in there was pretty...well...stupid. Unless you're an analyst, which you obviously aren't, then you have to realize this isn't a forum.
7FlushSetzer 18:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Dont be so hursh.........why is everything so wrong to u! they seem preety potential to me!
-- Mysterious Spy 17:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry if I seemed harsh, but this isn't a forum. If you have a link to some analysts who share those opinions and predictions, then list it. But otherwise, you're better off on a games forum. Just be careful to not make yourself come off as a troll.
7FlushSetzer 18:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
-- Mysterious Spy 13:02, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
"Many games had also been reported to have problems with garbled or unreadable text on-screen and generally blurry image quality, but the January 24, 2007 software release, which updated the system to version 1.50, has fully resolved this issue."
I think it was resolved for me with 1.50, but I hadn't really noticed it prior. I've changed my setup now, and it's very obvious with some games with version 1.82 and 1.81. Is anyone who had experienced this graphical glitch with older versions experiencing it again?
SeanProctor 12:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah they said the PS3 will have 4D graphics, can anybody provide me with any proof so I cn add this in? Pie76 04:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Not sure man, we should call Phil Harrison and find out. Pie76 05:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
If the picture I'm showing is supposed to be a Rubix Cube, here's what it would look like in 4D...
http://www.superliminal.com/cube/cube.gif
Very strange.
7FlushSetzer 05:40, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
That is a stupid. We live in 4 dimensions, so for the graphics to be 4D it would have to put us in the game like virtual reality. 69.209.68.126 06:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Very stupid. That example looks to be just a stupid 3D render. Don't see the point of that. LN3000 07:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Arent PlayStation Eye games such as The Eye of Judgment and Eyedentify classed as 4D games?? User:Jericho1337 16:13, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey, all I did was search 4D in Google. Don't attack me.
7FlushSetzer 20:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, maybe 4D is just more realistic 3D garaphics... only the word 4D could attract new buyers so maybe its only a commercial trick!
++ does anyone knows if there are any existing plans for virtual consoles? i know it sounds stupid but technology moves fast.
-- Mysterious Spy 13:08, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Exactly what Camman said:(from Wikipeida) Time is often referred to as the "fourth dimension". It is, in essence, one way to measure physical change. It is perceived differently from the three spatial dimensions in that there is only one of it, and that movement seems to occur at a fixed rate and in one direction.
So basically we have been playing 4D games all along since we interact with the 3D objects on the screen. (the Sony statement was basically a marketing pitch) Df747jet 02:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia you need to add this to your sales table for the Japaniese PS3 market
The Japaniese PS3 sales have now hit 1,000,000 as of 19 July 2007
This brings the total sales, world wide of the PS3 close to 3.6 million All of the above by - 82.26.192.3 07:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175274.html
7FlushSetzer 18:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
India, Russia, South America, Southeast Asia(China, Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia etc...) are excluded from sales data. They're not Japan, North America or PAL(Europe, Greenland, French territories, Middle East, Africa, Australia and New Zealand).
Could we put an "other" or "rest of world" category into the sales table to account for sales outside the three big console markets? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beta ( talk • contribs) 18:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, so we can take Russia out of the equation, its PAL.
The 1 million+ figure in the table is from Japan retail sales only. The survey covered sales from 3,500 shops.
http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2007/07/18/afx3924642.html
Then what about Southeast Asian countries (China, Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines etc...) India, Pakistan, South America, Central America(or is that included in the North America figure).
The PAL region is Europe, Greenland, French territories, Middle East, Africa, Australia and New Zealand. It does not include the far east or Southeast Asia, neither does the 1 million+ Japan sales figure which comes from 3,500 shops in Japan. Our main problem is that Sony's figures include sales in areas of the world (Like South/Southeast Asia, South America, Central America etc...) that other news sources don't have figures for.
If we could get a recent global sales figure we could deduct the sales of the "big 3" console markets and the remainder would be the figure we are looking for. The 3.6 million figure we have currently for global sales from march 31st is useless as it has already been surpassed by sales in the "big 3" markets.
Still it would be much better if there was a cited "rest of world" figure or equivalent.
Russia is SECAM, isn't it?! It's SECAM along with most of the former Soviet Union. India and southest asia are PAL (except for thailand which is NTSC). Brazil is PAL. And finally (for some odd reason?) it says that France is SECAM. Here's the picture to prove all the things I just said. I'm not sure how accurate my findings are though. [14]
Is this Correct?
http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/12156223/Sony_Playstation_3_60gb_Console_US_147_25.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.125.22.114 ( talk • contribs).
Looks like the post may have ruffled some feathers:
There's always google cache: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:yWcC2GoUXSkJ:www.alibaba.com/catalog/12156223/Sony_Playstation_3_60gb_Console_US_147_25.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.125.22.114 ( talk • contribs) 22:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25771559&union_id=2413
4.48 million.
http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/26-07-2007-6094.html
http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-54730.aspx
http://peruseme.com/2007/07/27/448-million-ps3s-sold-sony-aiming-for-145-million-by-march-08/
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1599.html
http://www.ps3vault.com/worldwide-ps3-sales-448-million-1875
Official Sony figure says 4.28 million: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/07q1_eleki.pdf
Why is the Japanese relevant when the console's name is in English? The japanese transliteration would be relevant if it was a Japanese name, but it's not! "Pureisutēshon Surī" - is it really necessary? 193.82.139.220 12:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, since a majority of English-speaking people don't know how to read katakana, I think it's sort of a good idea to put the Japanese pronounciation in English there. Abby724 14:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Please update this it is no longer version 1.82, 1.90 is out now.
According to Sony Computer Entertainment MD Michael Ephraim the PS3 has sold approximately 6 million units worldwide. Check it out http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/808/808656p1.html if confirmed please update the data on the ps3 page please —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Team-my1 ( talk • contribs) 12:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the best choice would be to wait until Monday when the official blog is updated. If it has the site that says the PS3 sold 6 Milllion it is true. Starwarsrulez 18:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
These numbers seem rather high. Would it be possible to just put both numbers in the box and then cite both sources. Media Create puts the Playstation 3 under a million in Japan and NPD puts it around 1.5 million at the end of June. Numbers from Europe are a little more difficult to come buy as the last numbers given I believe were around a million sold.(I think in like April). But even if the Playstation 3 sold 300,000 this month in the United States(highly unlikely) and a million in Europe since then(once again highly unlikely) then the figure would be put at 4.8 million. That means the rest of the world would have to sell 1.2 million which would be feasibly impossible considering that all the other markets are small. Oh, and consensus has not been formed here yet. That said while it should be the goal of an encyclopedia to be accurate its not the end of the world if one sales figure is off by a few million. 74.137.230.39 03:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Here is what we should do: sony will adress this on Monday so lets wait til then. Starwarsrulez 03:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Comment: a lot of the sales information in this article (and the talk page) reads like desperation and spin trying to boost the numbers, rather than simply reporting the facts as seen in the Xbox 360 and Wii articles. "An exec made a mistake? Let's report it as fact!" -- MisterHand ( Talk to the Hand| Contribs) 15:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
On the reference given the picture in the blog has a double asterix next to the worldwide, and at the bottom says **As of Ma...., I pretty sure it says As of March 2007, so it's just their sales to stores. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.195.85.159 ( talk • contribs) 00:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
contribs) 12:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Then how come you are counting the the 11.6 million Xbox360 sold,considering that company has also been known to associate items shipped as sold.Plus a company's sales figures are more reliable than from a website like Vgchartz.com. Sugreev2001 13:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I've looked on the internet for a while and can't seem to find anything on this, but it seems to me like there's a huge overstock of PS3s not just due to supply/demand issues, but also because of consumers returning their PS3s en masse. At my local Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Circuit City, and Gamestop they have had an alarming number of PS3s come back after the release date, none of which are being sold. All of the friends I've spoken to have noticed the same thing. Any official data on this that can be included in the article? La Bicyclette 13:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
looks like people either couldn't make it on ebay, or they are trying to get a hunderd bucks.
Felix 01:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
It should be noted that the PS3 has 128 MB (1 Gb) Flash RAM for it's OS. As shown here, http://www.chipworks.com/uploadedFiles/Technical_Competitive_Analysis/Capabilities/Sony_Playstation_report%20(2).pdf -- Yewyew 23:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Maybe you just don't understand a GIGABYTE (GB) [18] is EQUAL to 1024 Megabytes (MB) [19] and I would sign but I don't have a user name
I noticed that the 360 page has a sales chart that lists sales over time. The PS3 page could really use something like this as well. I copy-pasted the one from the 360 page to give an example.
Quarter | Units Shipped |
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Q4 2005 | 1.5 million units [14] |
Q1 2006 | 1.7 million units [15] |
Q2 2006 | 1.8 million units [16] |
Q3 2006 | 0.9 million units [17] |
Q4 2006 | 4.4 million units [18] |
Q1 2007 | 0.5 million units [17] |
Q2 2007 | 0.8 million units [18] |
Cumulative Totals | |
to Q2 2007 | 11.6 million units [19] |
A lot of specifics (notice how many 360's were sold due to Gears of War's release during Q4 2006) are revealed in a sales-over-time chart like this. It appears as though within the short period of time during which the price of the 60 GB dropped, the PS3's made more than 2 million in sales, and a chart to reflect that would be highly informative. The Wii page needs something like this too, but since their sales don't fluctuate in consistency as the other two consoles, so I wouldn't say it's as necessary, but it'd be nice. I'm not sure if the PS3 page had one before and it had been removed for some reason, so I'm posting the idea here to make sure everyone agrees with it. Yamamoto114 09:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Sony Computer Entertainment Hong Kong Limited is releasing PSN pre-paid cards in Tawian. http://asia.playstation.com/tch_tw/index.php?q=node/1472 - 60.231.107.26 10:53, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
the theoretical peak performance in flops is rather misleading and is really only a form of advertising because it is just that-cthe theoretical peak. because of latency (which in their specifications is completely disregarded) it is able to reach nothing near this, and can easily be outperformed by 8800 gtx. the POV of this article is something like a rave. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.178.7.100 ( talk • contribs).
There is a table which has information regarding the sales of the PS3 based on geographic area, and total sales world wide. The numbers for the individual territories don't correspond with the world wide numbers.
Japan 1 million USA 1.5 million PAL Territories 1.2 million
All of which have sources for July, adding them up gets roughly 3.7 million PS3s
However the worldwide numbers have a source from June which indicates 4.48 million PS3s. Obviously this makes no sense. How can there be almost 800,000 more PS3s sold in June, and then subsuquently have them disappear from the July numbers? Either the worldwide numbers are wrong or the numbers based on geographic area is wrong. 216.141.239.249 01:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
It appears Sony is going to support a DVB-t tuner, for PAL territories anyway. [20] It will be interesting whether they will support it in NTSC-J particuarly the ones likes Singapore, Malaysia etc that are PAL. Nil Einne 14:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed some vandalism throughout the article and since I am indeed using a playstation 3, I am unable to remove it.
It is fairly easy to spot
Felix 01:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I've searched the article for information on the subject but couldn't find any information. Can you play Blu-ray discs from different regions? Some people I talked to say it's possible, while others deny that possibility. -- Ishikawa Minoru 00:04, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
"As of current the backwards compatibility has been removed from the PS3 the following is a petition for the backwards capability. http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/PS3BC"
I don't think this is true, but I want to make sure, as I don't actually own a PS3 yet. It's wrong, right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.113.234.136 ( talk • contribs) 20:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
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I think the reception part of this article only shows 1 side of the story, at the time I seem to remember a significant number of negative reviews regarding the PS3, articles pointing to the fact that even just after launch PS3's were easily available in stores, when compared to the Xbox and Wii launch, where neither system was readily available for months, and it is debatable that the Wii still isn't available. Also the launch party in Paris turned into a bit of a Shambles, and I think most of the attention was drawn to Microsoft with their party crashing stunts. StevenAFC
It may be doing fine in Britain, but not in US or Japan or even Europe in general. From wiki, Wii sales:
Region | Units sold | First available |
---|---|---|
North America | 2,342,880+ as of April 7 2007 [1] [2] | November 19 2006 |
Japan | 2,167,982 as of April 22 2007 [3] | December 2 2006 |
Europe | 2,000,000+ as of April 13 2007 [4] | December 8 2006 |
Australia / New Zealand | 80,000 / 6,000 as of March 31 2007 [5] | December 7 2006 |
Total | 6.60 million+ |
and PS3 sales:
Region | Units sold | Units shipped | First available |
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North America | 1,058,300+ as of February 28, 2007 [6] | 2 million+ as of January 7, 2007 [7] [8] | 17 November, 2006 |
Japan | 794,492+ as of March 25, 2007 [9] | 11 November, 2006 | |
Europe | 800,000+ as of April 17, 2007 [10] | 2 million+ as of
March 23,
2007 (Including New Zealand) |
23 March 2007 |
Australia | 36,000+ as of May 2, 2007 [11] | 23 March 2007 | |
Total | 2.69 million+ | Approx. 5.5 million+ citation needed |
(there's only a shipped figure on 360 page so I am not listing here)
I agree with Steven that as an informational page, this PS3 article is misleading on how PS3 is actually received by the public. The article mostly states the strengths of the PS3, but fails to account for why it is falling behind in sales. There have been information on negative reviews, but they don't survive long enough as someone always remove it real soon. Frank Law 03:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, But the "Reception" part is extremly biased. Hate ot break it to you, but the PS3 is doing absolutly HORRIBLE in both the US, Europe, and esspecially in Japan. First weeks sales don't matter when 6 monthes pass and it's doing worse then the PS2. You can't just use excerpts from Puplications during the first week of release. The reality is now, and that reality is that the PS3 is not living up to expectations. That passage is extremly one sided, both sides need to be put up.
Well, it did just sell one million units in Europe in less than ten weeks [1], better than both the original PlayStation and PlayStation 2 did in the same amount of time. If you call that doing horribly, then you must have quite high expectations. But yes, the PlayStation 3 is doing poorly in its native Japan, there is no denyng that, but you're wrong in saying that it is doing horribly in Europe. Also, as bad as it is doing in Japan, it's still doing far better there than the Xbox 360 is. Michael Mad 08:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
This section "On his SuperSite for Windows, Microsoft's MVP Paul Thurrott said in a review of the PS3 that Sony "absolutely has a winner on its hands" and that the console "has the technical prowess to not only compete, but win this round."[133]"
the phrase "Microsoft's MVP Paul Thurrott" implies that Paul works for Microsoft. he does not.
This should be simply "Microsoft MVP Paul Thurrott".
70.178.154.145 18:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
This article is way too long, a lot of the information is duplicated from other articles and does not belong here. I have a few ideas and would appreciate some feedback before making any changes to the article:
Cheers. – ARC Gritt TALK—The preceding comment was added 12:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC). [2]
3.6 Million PS3s have been sold as of March 2007. Also, the figure should be updated again in June after the console goes on sale in Korea.
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16171
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=112412
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/17/bloomberg/ps3.php
Also, I have been hearing that sales of the PlayStation 3 console on Amazon spiked after Gamers' Day [3]. Michael Mad 21:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you should read figures properly and not rush to copy inaccuracies. "by the Mar. 31 end of its fiscal year, its factories made and sent off just 5.5 million. Worse, the actual number of PS3s *****IN STORES**** was closer to 3.6 million." Business Week
In stores is NOT the same as sold. And judging by the number languishing on store shelves across the world in March it would be a gross overestimation.
The choice to follow Sony Marketing press releases in judgements on the launch claims is a shame - still that's about the only figures they will let anyone know, so a citation for more balanced opinion is nigh impossible. Un-citable sources suggest PS3 software sales have now sunk so horribly low in Japan as to be solidly below its MS rival for the first time in the history of video games. Starting to make the 'greatest launch ever' Marketing guff above look pretty silly really. Perhaps you can balance it out with an update of 'greatest Sega lookalike ever' when you get proper up to date figures some day?
IT is even worse as reported in Gamepro.com that Wii now selling 5-1 compared to PS3.. I got the feeling that PS3 are really in red zone.-Leong
Well, there have been more one million PS3 consoles sold in Europe, so that sales figure is indeed out of date. Michael Mad 08:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
In the 2nd paragraph of the article, it says:
"A single-layered Blu-ray disc boasts a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB. This is over 3x the maximum storage capacity of a single and dual-layered DVD-9 respectively, used in other consoles."
Now, you cannot have a single-layered DVD-9. The definition of DVD-9 is a single-sided dual-layered DVD, which is 8.5GB. Whereas a DVD-18 is a double-sided dual-layered DVD, which is 17GB.
So should it be re-written as:
"A single-layered Blu-ray disc boasts a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB. This is just under 3x the maximum storage capacity of a DVD-9 and DVD-18 respectively, used in other consoles."
or maybe:
"A single-layered Blu-ray disc boasts a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB. This is just under 6x the maximum storage capacity of a single and dual-layered DVD respectively, used in other consoles."
or better still:
"A single-layered Blu-ray disc boasts a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, which is approximately 3x the maximum storage capacity of a DVD-9, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB, about 6x the maximum storage capacity of a DVD-9."
Just to remind people:
DVD-5 (single-sided single-layered) = 4.7GB, DVD-9 (single-sided dual-layered) = 8.5GB, DVD-10 (double-sided single-layered) = 9.4GB, DVD-14 (double-sided single-layered/dual-layered) = 13.2GB, DVD-18 (double-sided dual-layered) = 17.0GB
So, any thoughts?
Dancinginblood 00:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
, if you feel it needs any further changes, go ahead and change it. :) – ARC Gritt TALK 20:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)A single-layered Blu-ray disc has a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB, almost 6x the maximum storage capacity of a DVD-9.
in the features chart at the top of the article, under HDMI, the 20GB model is listed as having HDMI, this is not the case and should be corrected in the interests of accuracy.
The 20GB model does have HDMI, it was added in a month or two before release.
72.12.138.36
18:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the 'User Modifications' section, as I believe on an article about the hardware, it is simply not notable. I'm sure millions over the world modify their products. Not only that, but how do you decide which modifications are notable. We also don't need the article to be any longer. Thanks. Slydevil 15:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I think you don't have to remove the User Modifications because this article helps expand the PS3 capabilities. Also, I wanted to know if you can change the SIXAXIS PS logo color in the middle. Thanks-Leong
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Should it be noted in the reception section that the song "How to Kill a Brand" (link here) focased on basically how "Sony killed the playstation brand"? Unknownlight 01:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this song should not be included. Might attract war of words. Just my 2 cent opinion.-Leong
No, that's just retarded internet fanboy fare. It has no place in this article. Let the PS3 have SOME dignity, won't you?
7FlushSetzer 01:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
--Uhm, nope. This is Wikipedia, not a fanboyist forum. Only important information plz--
Can anyone confirm that all PS3 support worldwide voltage? or is it just the Japanese PS3? Lancerex6 09:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
There have been rumors of a PS4 coming out 3rd quarter 2008-09. Is that really true, because everyone's talking about
What about a mention of http://www.ps3grid.net/PS3GRID/ ? It is a distributed computing science project that is specifically designed for the PS3 platform. Vgy7ujm 16:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=PlayStation_3&diff=130523460&oldid=130522799
Of course the PS3 is behind 360 in sales, it launched a whole year later, and globally later than the Wii. I feel it's worth mentioning this... In addition, nowhere has it been suggested that Ken Kutaragi was made to step down because of PS3 sales. It was always his plan to step down after PS3 was lauched.. I made these edits, and explained why, but they were simply reverted WITHOUT EXPLAINATION. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mgillespie ( talk • contribs) 12:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC).
True, the Wii had a four month head start in Europe. So what? You can't logically justify that a four month head start in one territory is enough to boost sales to the point of out-selling the competition (in this case, the PlayStation 3) by more than 2-to-1. Other factors are obviously involved in this situation. Perhaps the PS3 is too expensive? Perhaps there aren't enough good PS3 games out? Perhaps people didn't believe the hype this time around? It's a fact that every giant in video gaming has fallen: Atari, Sega, Nintendo, and now Sony. If those companies can't dominate the market every generation, what makes people think Sony can?
69.203.64.174
21:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't matter if the Wii or the 360 had a head start. If they had all been released at the same time PS3 would be in the same situation, dead last. It may be the fact it's too expensive, maybe that they are losing all of their exclusive titles to the other systems, or maybe it is that it just fails. Either way, buying a PS3 would be a mistake, since you can just buy all of the games for a cheaper system once they lose all their titles. And yes, 360's may break down (well mine hasn't and I got the earliest version from the Mountain Dew contests), but all of the money put into fixing a 360 would still outweigh the horrible mistakes of the PS3.
Wow, let's try to avoid the fanboyism here on Wikipedia. This page is for discussing how to make the article better, not discussing the article's topic itself. Useight 15:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I keep hearing from www.gamepro.com. There are people saying that 11th June or July, there will be a huge announcement by Sony.. What's that? Anyone heard of this before? -Leong
It was an announcement about The Agency MMO that is coming out on the PC and the PS3. Starwarsrulez 02:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, I know this might be too late... but on July 11, Sony will be making a huge announcement in the E3. Dnlkk94 03:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't see why it was put in the article Ken Kutaragi he stepped down because of the ps3. I can't seem to find a quote from Sony or Ken stating he stepped down due to lack of sales. Unless someone can find evidence otherwise I think the statement should be removed. Lt. penguin 21:21, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I have also seen and heard many many negative receptions about the PS3. The Reception side of the story appears to be written by an Sony Employee, not a partial observer. 74.138.94.60 06:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Should we mention that PS3 is selling less than the game boy advance and will be included in the dead platforms soon? After all, this article is so bad that it just can't get worse. Sir Dante 14:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Sony has sold more than one million PlayStation 3 consoles in Europe [4]. So much for your biased dead console theory. Michael Mad 16:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
It's not 1 million in Europe, it's 1 million PAL systems, which includes Australia. An interesting number would be the number of systems sold just in Europe. I wager that number is significantly lower than 'over 1 million.' Either way, if you combined European sales with Australian sales for the PS3's competitors, the numbers are skewed heavily in their favor.
Here's a (serious) question: So if Company X say they've shipped 1 million units of something, is there any way to verify if this is true? Is at all likely that Sony would say they had sold more than they had (this is a serious question, what I mean is, does anyone know of cases where companies have been misleading or openly lied about the sales of a product?) Gantlord 13:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, we just have to take their word for it. If we didn't trust the very maker of a product about its sales, then we can't trust anyone, and thus, the entire Wikipedia is pointless as we'd have no reliable sources. Oh, I just remembered, I'll have to change the sales about that the million units sold, it does counts Austrailia. Michael Mad 13:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I can understand if the rest of the sales are a tad outdated, by the Japanese sales are from all the way back in March. Despite the lackluster Japanese sales, the PS3 has sold more units in Japan than it had in March.
7FlushSetzer 22:50, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
--Unfortunately there has not been any update to the Japanese sales--
The PS3 has sold 1 million units in the UK! Themasterofwiki 18:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
"Poor sales and high costs of the PS3 led to Sony's games division posting a loss of ¥232.3 billion ($1.97 billion US) in the fiscal year ended March 2007" - Criticism Since the PS3 sells at a hefty loss per unit, the greater this figure is, the more PS3's are sold. They will take losses regardless of "poor sales", so please remove that little obfuscation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitamaru ( talk • contribs)
--They actually gain the money spent with software sales. It usually takes a year or two, so its a long process. SONY also suffered heavy losses with PS2 launch--
Why ist IPTV just with the Korean version possible? Every version can connect to the internet.. and with a softwareupdate IPTV should be avaliable.. McCoother 13:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
In the article it states that "The PlayStation 3 uses a version of the NetFront browser by Access Co. as its internal web browser. " but if you read OFFICIAL interviews with the higher ups at sony(mainly by those speaking only Japanese) say that it was developed INTERNALLY but sony.
Just thought I'd point it out before someone looks it up on a website that bases it so called facts on mere appearance and not any official sources. I have fixed this in the article about the web browser but its hard to proven when you can't translate Japanese to English.
Once again...Appearances aren't everything. -- 71.252.209.111 20:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Well tbhe browser reports it's ID as NETFRONT, so I trust that. I think the Sony official was confused.. -- Mgillespie 18:38, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
When will the PS3 drop in price in the U.S. and what will it go down to?-- Roxas 00:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6173349.html
We can say that the combined sales for Australia and Europe are AT LEAST 1,050,000.
7FlushSetzer 19:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
No, the combined sales of Europe and Austrailia would be just one million plus, as Sony has sold one million PlayStation 3 consoles in all Pal territories, not just in Europe(Austrailia, if you may not already know, would be a PAL territory). Michael Mad 19:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Since its release, the Playstation 3 has also been outselling the Wii and the Xbox 360 in Australia. [12]
I believe this sentence is misleading as it implies that the PS3 has sold more units since its launch than the Wii did in the same amount of weeks after its launch, which is not true. Comments? - ARC Gritt TALK 22:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I've clarified the sentence since then.
Beta
It's expected for the PS3 to be consistently outselling the other consoles as it's only months after its launch, just wait, in a few months the Wii will be trouncing the PS3. Maybe that should be added to the article (except for the Wii trouncing bit, little bit of fanboyism there :)) カ ラ ム 21:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Anyone think it's worth mentioning the Internet news/blog sites hat campaign aganist Sony and the PS3? Even a total idiot can see the PS3 comes in for unfair criticism, and it's nothing more than sites wanting to knock the previous generations winner.. Is it also worth mentioning Microsoft's FUD war against the PS3? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgillespie ( talk • contribs)
Microsoft isnt using FUD, its because they have unlimited funding, unlike sony who realies on PS2 and PS3 sales as the main income for money.
If you have a reliable source to back up your claims, then perhaps it is worth mentioning. Oh, and please sign your posts. Michael Mad 12:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Are you crazy,Michael...Sony relying solely on the Playstation brand for revenue.Have you forgotten that Sony is the 2nd largest consumer electronics manufacturer in the world and that it's sales are nearly 10-20 billion dollars ahead of Microsoft.And believe me,no company can say it has unlimited funding...losses are losses whether you are a fortune 500 company or a small business. Sugreev2001 20:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Non notable, in Google Search the first 20 pages no results for Phantasy Star 3 and being a gamer for years never heard PS3 in reference for that game. -- Ciao 90 14:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Many sites are reporting the horrendous failure rates of the 360 (between 25% and 30%), and comparing to the PS3 and Wii systems with less than 1%. I think this is important information that should be added to the article. -- 195.75.83.25 16:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I have heard that though the PS3 is currently a failure in terms of video gaming it may have tipped the blu-ray format war to Sony. It would be nice to see something of this sort in the article. 71.219.94.176 00:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Only people that believe Microsoft's FUD, actually think the PS3 is a failure. It's sales are very good, considering it's only been out 7 months in the NTSC regions and 4 months in PAL regions..—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgillespie ( talk • contribs) 17:48, July 7, 2007
I was thinking about this, something should be mentioned about PS3 technical issues
Microsoft isnt using FUD, its because they have unlimited funding, unlike sony who realies on PS2 and PS3 sales as the main income for money.
http://news.com.com/Sony+cuts+PS3+price+by+100/2100-1043_3-6195402.html?tag=nefd.top
http://kotaku.com/gaming/truth/retailer-confirms-100-ps3-price-cut-275456.php
Ofcourse this is kotaku, a blog site. So take it with a grain of salt, just saying to you account holders to expect this addition to the article in the coming weeks. 76.64.193.9 01:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173806.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0-- Dentine 02:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Looks pretty official now:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6283170.stm
Why isn't the price of the console mentioned anywhere in the article? - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I have done some edits, as the original article implied that only Korean PS3's had IPTV compatability, and that there was some internal hardware difference to the PAL PS3. Sony have confirmed that the only difference is the 80GB HDD. Son in effect all PS3's are IPTV ready. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgillespie ( talk • contribs) 17:55, July 7, 2007
60GB PS3 with 5 free Blu-Ray movies for $499 in Target, Best Buy, Circuit City etc.....
http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/4586
http://www.ps3news.ca/07072007/22/confirmed_499_ps3_has_been_sold_at_target
http://www.laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=2686
http://kotaku.com/gaming/rumor/more-moles-confirm-ps3-price-drop-275588.php
its been dropped http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173806.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0-- Dentine 02:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
It's definitely official (and promises a new 80 GB model: http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/fun.games/07/09/sony.price.reut/index.html DarkSol 23:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Before the article is reviewed by another editor, be sure to add sources for all of the statements that have "citation needed" tags or remove them until a source can be found. If there are too many on the page, an article may be quick-failed solely for that purpose instead of being put on hold. The article is well-sourced already, covers the broad aspect, and has images, so don't let it fail over a few statements. Good work so far, and please address these before somebody reviews it. -- Nehrams2020 04:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Removed the following unsourced statements:
Will look for references for these later incase they can be readded. - ARC Gritt TALK 12:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
For the price drop, what region(s) is it for? Just NA? -- Zeno McDohl (talk) 14:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm curious about the wording in the beginning of the article, "...and the successor to the PlayStation and PlayStation 2." Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't something only succeed the direct previous model in a line? That is, can't it technically only be the successor to the PS2 due to the very fact the PS2 succeeded the PS1? I'd alter it myself, but I wanted to know if there was some official reason why it's worded this way before I stuck my nose in. But, to me it's bit like saying, "The Wii is the successor to the Nintendo 64 and Nintendo GameCube," or, "The Sega Dreamcast is the successor to the Sega Master System, the Sega Genesis/32X/CD and the Sega Saturn," or "The Core2 Duo CPU succeeds the Pentium, Pentium II, Pentium III, Pentium IV...." Well, you get the point. Any thoughts? Danny 21:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't help but notice that the "Publicity and reception" portion of this page has nothing but good things to say about the PS3. Since this is suppose to be an unbiased website, I feel that it is fair to include the overwhelmingly negative press the PS3 has received. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the PS3 is indeed receiving more negative press than positive. I know that's asking a lot, considering this page is run by a slew of Sony fanboys but 10X better than bretchels comp. -- 172.146.207.110 01:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
It is semi-biased but on the other hand it does have at least something about negative Sony's horrid PR relations after they announced the PS3's price point.
Rgoodermote 21:51 July 10Th, 2007 (UTC)
According to some of you Microsoft cronies,everyone else is a Sony Fanboy. Sugreev2001 20:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of July 10, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:
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Re #4: just over an hour ago I had a similar perception to this, but I just did a google search for "PS3 review" and looked at the top 10 results. None of them gave an overall bad review to the console, whilst most of them did critisize the lack of decent games and its price. Most said that overall it was a good buy due to it's Blu-Ray functionality. I have tried to add something to the reception section, but I feel that it should be rewritten from scratch using the existing references. - ARC Gritt TALK 18:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Re #3: I have significantly cut down the amount of information in the CPU section. - ARC Gritt TALK 22:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Re #2: I removed one of ther sentences from this section, and added it to another section on this talk page awaiting citation. It would be good to also get a citation for the Europe release date. - ARC Gritt TALK 22:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
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A second review, so quickly? It hasn't even been a day yet... Carson 03:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Dancter, that link doesn't work for me. I *do* seem to recall reading something about it in a deletions request, but I don't recall ever seeing him directly state that he never based his image on a photograph. I'm not implying that he intended to break the rules, but rather did so accidentally. (I've frequently seen cases in wikipedia where uploaders didn't understand what a 'derivative work' was, and uploaded modifications or tracings, presenting them as being their own work)
What's more, commons is commons. I don't have an account there, and don't choose to create one just for a single purpose. My only concern is what's here in english wikipedia, which appears to include a rather conspicuous (though unintentional) copyvio.
Bladestorm
14:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Alrighty, it's been 4 days into the hold, so here's a review update:
Carson 22:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
It says the wii has a close to 0% failure rate, and this is cited by a quote from a single retailer. This is not factual please someone remove that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.153.179.242 ( talk • contribs) 16:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
In the Publicity and Reception section, the last sentence in the third paragraph is repeated. I'd remove it myself, but the article is locked.
Is this true?
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article2750521.ece
How does the power supply work for the ps3? I've been told that it only gets power from the Tv its connected too, and does not have a plug. Is this true? If not, how does the plug difference effect the North American and pal regions? Because as i understand it they both have different mains supply voltages. Also, is it possible to use a North American ps3 in Europe and vice-versa? -- Chickenfeed9 20:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thanks for the fast response. -- Chickenfeed9 20:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I have a japanese ps3 in australia and its has run fine since march using an off the shelf pc power cable. The only evidence i have that the psu is universal is a picture on this site http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/NEWS/20061111/123436/, which i found from this forum post http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=871008&postcount=10. edit: The australian support manual also list a universal power supply in the specs http://au.playstation.com/assets/support/PS3/PS3-02_03-1.5_1.pdf. However the American manual only lists american voltages. -- Kfyh 60.240.142.65 16:10, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26704
"SCEE president David Reeves has told GamesIndustry.biz that the 60GB PlayStation 3 will no longer be available in the US after stock sells out - which he predicts will occur by the end of the month" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.202.81.116 ( talk • contribs) 14:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/13/sony-says-60gb-is-not-over-in-us/
Specially when things like that pop up. I wonder how long we'll have to wait for exact, 100% set in stone verification.
7FlushSetzer 01:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Even though the source says that it is as of July 9th, the article says the sales were as of May. Let's not use sales as of 2 months ago and not admit to it.
7FlushSetzer 16:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
That's me.
I'm backseat because I'm still trying to understand Wikipedia's codes. In the mean time, I'll cry if I see something wrong.
7FlushSetzer 22:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
[9] I feel this article describes this news the best. It's just a rumour at this point based on what a few people in high places at Sony been heard to have said. At this point it is not confirmed and not the official Sony position so stating it in the article as fact is misleading. It may very well turn out to be true but until that time I would only include it in the article if it's clearly stated it's a rumour. It's also disputed by others [10]. I have removed it before discussing for this reason, it's uncomfirmed and people reading this article may get the wrong information. I hope anyone who disagrees with my edit will understand based on this comment. Since this rumour is denied by some I would term the sources publishing it online to be "questionable sources" per WP:RS and don't feel the article should follow up on every rumour to be circulating in gaming circles. — Tutmosis 19:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else concur with me that Sony has used cheap business practices in order to "compete" with other systems? I mainly speak of how sony copies other system's features and change the name and look so they can call it their own. You may say, "But Sony needs to do this in order to survive." I say that's not true, they can come up with original features. An example of their theft is the use of a wifi module (used from the PSP but STOLEN from the Nintendo DS) which can download previous titles onto the PS3. (An Obvious theft from Nintendo's Virtual Console) Also, probably the cheapest rip-offs ever encountered, is the theft of the gyroscopic controller. They had the "Boomerang" Controller announced for a few years, then all of a sudden pulled it back and issued a gyroscopic controller very similar to the Wii's controller with gyroscopic capabilities. This is why I believe that Sony has unethical business ethics. C. Pineda 00:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
ReyBrujo & Useight: "Talk pages are for discussing articles, not topics" is a stupid comment that shouldn't even be here. Any information that could be contributed to an article to make it more up-to-date and informative should be valid to TALK about on TALK pages. If it turns out not to be valid, fine, but don't shoot something down right away because you don't want to hear it: TALK about it first. 12.206.192.78 13:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I had to go back and reread it but I found it interesting that the PS3, according to this article, both was outsold and outsold the Xbox 360 in June. There are some numbers on the 360 page but I'm not sure who's right. I don't have unlimited access here at work so if anyone can help remedy these conflicting numbers that would be great. Eris11 16:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
PS3s sales are very low! i mean PS1 sold 110 million while PS2 has sold well over 120 million! PS3 has roughly sold 3,5 million in months! Wii is way ahead with about 8.5 million and xbox360 11.5 mil0lion! nitendo is the leading companie. I was lanched several (a LOT of) months after XBOX360 and it has sold almost at much (360:11.5 mil wii:8.5 mil.). Should i write anything! Other Opinions!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.32.16 ( talk • contribs)
-- Mysterious Spy 15:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Those sales were counted when the PS1 and PS2 were long relieased the PS3 is still new and has started the same as the PS2 did so its still uninterpatable what the end sales will be. There is no company called Wii, Wii is made by a "companie" called nintendo
well ur right! i wrote "wii is the leading companie..." sorry mistake, thanks for correcting...
-- Mysterious Spy 15:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
-- Mysterious Spy 17:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
That was painful to read, because it was incredibly incorrect through and through. Yes, the PS2 sold 1 million in Japan in 3 days, but everything else in there was pretty...well...stupid. Unless you're an analyst, which you obviously aren't, then you have to realize this isn't a forum.
7FlushSetzer 18:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Dont be so hursh.........why is everything so wrong to u! they seem preety potential to me!
-- Mysterious Spy 17:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry if I seemed harsh, but this isn't a forum. If you have a link to some analysts who share those opinions and predictions, then list it. But otherwise, you're better off on a games forum. Just be careful to not make yourself come off as a troll.
7FlushSetzer 18:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
-- Mysterious Spy 13:02, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
"Many games had also been reported to have problems with garbled or unreadable text on-screen and generally blurry image quality, but the January 24, 2007 software release, which updated the system to version 1.50, has fully resolved this issue."
I think it was resolved for me with 1.50, but I hadn't really noticed it prior. I've changed my setup now, and it's very obvious with some games with version 1.82 and 1.81. Is anyone who had experienced this graphical glitch with older versions experiencing it again?
SeanProctor 12:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah they said the PS3 will have 4D graphics, can anybody provide me with any proof so I cn add this in? Pie76 04:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Not sure man, we should call Phil Harrison and find out. Pie76 05:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
If the picture I'm showing is supposed to be a Rubix Cube, here's what it would look like in 4D...
http://www.superliminal.com/cube/cube.gif
Very strange.
7FlushSetzer 05:40, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
That is a stupid. We live in 4 dimensions, so for the graphics to be 4D it would have to put us in the game like virtual reality. 69.209.68.126 06:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Very stupid. That example looks to be just a stupid 3D render. Don't see the point of that. LN3000 07:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Arent PlayStation Eye games such as The Eye of Judgment and Eyedentify classed as 4D games?? User:Jericho1337 16:13, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey, all I did was search 4D in Google. Don't attack me.
7FlushSetzer 20:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, maybe 4D is just more realistic 3D garaphics... only the word 4D could attract new buyers so maybe its only a commercial trick!
++ does anyone knows if there are any existing plans for virtual consoles? i know it sounds stupid but technology moves fast.
-- Mysterious Spy 13:08, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Exactly what Camman said:(from Wikipeida) Time is often referred to as the "fourth dimension". It is, in essence, one way to measure physical change. It is perceived differently from the three spatial dimensions in that there is only one of it, and that movement seems to occur at a fixed rate and in one direction.
So basically we have been playing 4D games all along since we interact with the 3D objects on the screen. (the Sony statement was basically a marketing pitch) Df747jet 02:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia you need to add this to your sales table for the Japaniese PS3 market
The Japaniese PS3 sales have now hit 1,000,000 as of 19 July 2007
This brings the total sales, world wide of the PS3 close to 3.6 million All of the above by - 82.26.192.3 07:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175274.html
7FlushSetzer 18:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
India, Russia, South America, Southeast Asia(China, Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia etc...) are excluded from sales data. They're not Japan, North America or PAL(Europe, Greenland, French territories, Middle East, Africa, Australia and New Zealand).
Could we put an "other" or "rest of world" category into the sales table to account for sales outside the three big console markets? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beta ( talk • contribs) 18:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, so we can take Russia out of the equation, its PAL.
The 1 million+ figure in the table is from Japan retail sales only. The survey covered sales from 3,500 shops.
http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2007/07/18/afx3924642.html
Then what about Southeast Asian countries (China, Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines etc...) India, Pakistan, South America, Central America(or is that included in the North America figure).
The PAL region is Europe, Greenland, French territories, Middle East, Africa, Australia and New Zealand. It does not include the far east or Southeast Asia, neither does the 1 million+ Japan sales figure which comes from 3,500 shops in Japan. Our main problem is that Sony's figures include sales in areas of the world (Like South/Southeast Asia, South America, Central America etc...) that other news sources don't have figures for.
If we could get a recent global sales figure we could deduct the sales of the "big 3" console markets and the remainder would be the figure we are looking for. The 3.6 million figure we have currently for global sales from march 31st is useless as it has already been surpassed by sales in the "big 3" markets.
Still it would be much better if there was a cited "rest of world" figure or equivalent.
Russia is SECAM, isn't it?! It's SECAM along with most of the former Soviet Union. India and southest asia are PAL (except for thailand which is NTSC). Brazil is PAL. And finally (for some odd reason?) it says that France is SECAM. Here's the picture to prove all the things I just said. I'm not sure how accurate my findings are though. [14]
Is this Correct?
http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/12156223/Sony_Playstation_3_60gb_Console_US_147_25.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.125.22.114 ( talk • contribs).
Looks like the post may have ruffled some feathers:
There's always google cache: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:yWcC2GoUXSkJ:www.alibaba.com/catalog/12156223/Sony_Playstation_3_60gb_Console_US_147_25.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.125.22.114 ( talk • contribs) 22:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25771559&union_id=2413
4.48 million.
http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/26-07-2007-6094.html
http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-54730.aspx
http://peruseme.com/2007/07/27/448-million-ps3s-sold-sony-aiming-for-145-million-by-march-08/
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1599.html
http://www.ps3vault.com/worldwide-ps3-sales-448-million-1875
Official Sony figure says 4.28 million: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/07q1_eleki.pdf
Why is the Japanese relevant when the console's name is in English? The japanese transliteration would be relevant if it was a Japanese name, but it's not! "Pureisutēshon Surī" - is it really necessary? 193.82.139.220 12:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, since a majority of English-speaking people don't know how to read katakana, I think it's sort of a good idea to put the Japanese pronounciation in English there. Abby724 14:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Please update this it is no longer version 1.82, 1.90 is out now.
According to Sony Computer Entertainment MD Michael Ephraim the PS3 has sold approximately 6 million units worldwide. Check it out http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/808/808656p1.html if confirmed please update the data on the ps3 page please —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Team-my1 ( talk • contribs) 12:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the best choice would be to wait until Monday when the official blog is updated. If it has the site that says the PS3 sold 6 Milllion it is true. Starwarsrulez 18:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
These numbers seem rather high. Would it be possible to just put both numbers in the box and then cite both sources. Media Create puts the Playstation 3 under a million in Japan and NPD puts it around 1.5 million at the end of June. Numbers from Europe are a little more difficult to come buy as the last numbers given I believe were around a million sold.(I think in like April). But even if the Playstation 3 sold 300,000 this month in the United States(highly unlikely) and a million in Europe since then(once again highly unlikely) then the figure would be put at 4.8 million. That means the rest of the world would have to sell 1.2 million which would be feasibly impossible considering that all the other markets are small. Oh, and consensus has not been formed here yet. That said while it should be the goal of an encyclopedia to be accurate its not the end of the world if one sales figure is off by a few million. 74.137.230.39 03:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Here is what we should do: sony will adress this on Monday so lets wait til then. Starwarsrulez 03:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Comment: a lot of the sales information in this article (and the talk page) reads like desperation and spin trying to boost the numbers, rather than simply reporting the facts as seen in the Xbox 360 and Wii articles. "An exec made a mistake? Let's report it as fact!" -- MisterHand ( Talk to the Hand| Contribs) 15:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
On the reference given the picture in the blog has a double asterix next to the worldwide, and at the bottom says **As of Ma...., I pretty sure it says As of March 2007, so it's just their sales to stores. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.195.85.159 ( talk • contribs) 00:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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Then how come you are counting the the 11.6 million Xbox360 sold,considering that company has also been known to associate items shipped as sold.Plus a company's sales figures are more reliable than from a website like Vgchartz.com. Sugreev2001 13:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I've looked on the internet for a while and can't seem to find anything on this, but it seems to me like there's a huge overstock of PS3s not just due to supply/demand issues, but also because of consumers returning their PS3s en masse. At my local Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Circuit City, and Gamestop they have had an alarming number of PS3s come back after the release date, none of which are being sold. All of the friends I've spoken to have noticed the same thing. Any official data on this that can be included in the article? La Bicyclette 13:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
looks like people either couldn't make it on ebay, or they are trying to get a hunderd bucks.
Felix 01:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
It should be noted that the PS3 has 128 MB (1 Gb) Flash RAM for it's OS. As shown here, http://www.chipworks.com/uploadedFiles/Technical_Competitive_Analysis/Capabilities/Sony_Playstation_report%20(2).pdf -- Yewyew 23:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Maybe you just don't understand a GIGABYTE (GB) [18] is EQUAL to 1024 Megabytes (MB) [19] and I would sign but I don't have a user name
I noticed that the 360 page has a sales chart that lists sales over time. The PS3 page could really use something like this as well. I copy-pasted the one from the 360 page to give an example.
Quarter | Units Shipped |
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Q4 2005 | 1.5 million units [14] |
Q1 2006 | 1.7 million units [15] |
Q2 2006 | 1.8 million units [16] |
Q3 2006 | 0.9 million units [17] |
Q4 2006 | 4.4 million units [18] |
Q1 2007 | 0.5 million units [17] |
Q2 2007 | 0.8 million units [18] |
Cumulative Totals | |
to Q2 2007 | 11.6 million units [19] |
A lot of specifics (notice how many 360's were sold due to Gears of War's release during Q4 2006) are revealed in a sales-over-time chart like this. It appears as though within the short period of time during which the price of the 60 GB dropped, the PS3's made more than 2 million in sales, and a chart to reflect that would be highly informative. The Wii page needs something like this too, but since their sales don't fluctuate in consistency as the other two consoles, so I wouldn't say it's as necessary, but it'd be nice. I'm not sure if the PS3 page had one before and it had been removed for some reason, so I'm posting the idea here to make sure everyone agrees with it. Yamamoto114 09:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Sony Computer Entertainment Hong Kong Limited is releasing PSN pre-paid cards in Tawian. http://asia.playstation.com/tch_tw/index.php?q=node/1472 - 60.231.107.26 10:53, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
the theoretical peak performance in flops is rather misleading and is really only a form of advertising because it is just that-cthe theoretical peak. because of latency (which in their specifications is completely disregarded) it is able to reach nothing near this, and can easily be outperformed by 8800 gtx. the POV of this article is something like a rave. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.178.7.100 ( talk • contribs).
There is a table which has information regarding the sales of the PS3 based on geographic area, and total sales world wide. The numbers for the individual territories don't correspond with the world wide numbers.
Japan 1 million USA 1.5 million PAL Territories 1.2 million
All of which have sources for July, adding them up gets roughly 3.7 million PS3s
However the worldwide numbers have a source from June which indicates 4.48 million PS3s. Obviously this makes no sense. How can there be almost 800,000 more PS3s sold in June, and then subsuquently have them disappear from the July numbers? Either the worldwide numbers are wrong or the numbers based on geographic area is wrong. 216.141.239.249 01:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
It appears Sony is going to support a DVB-t tuner, for PAL territories anyway. [20] It will be interesting whether they will support it in NTSC-J particuarly the ones likes Singapore, Malaysia etc that are PAL. Nil Einne 14:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed some vandalism throughout the article and since I am indeed using a playstation 3, I am unable to remove it.
It is fairly easy to spot
Felix 01:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I've searched the article for information on the subject but couldn't find any information. Can you play Blu-ray discs from different regions? Some people I talked to say it's possible, while others deny that possibility. -- Ishikawa Minoru 00:04, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
"As of current the backwards compatibility has been removed from the PS3 the following is a petition for the backwards capability. http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/PS3BC"
I don't think this is true, but I want to make sure, as I don't actually own a PS3 yet. It's wrong, right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.113.234.136 ( talk • contribs) 20:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
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