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Someone named it Green Ray? Changing. EDIT Or not. Someone did it for me. Thanks. EDIT- Someone decided to name it green again. Edit - Fixed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.6.13.211 ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC).
Talk page archived - if I missed an unfinished discussion - sorry. HappyVR 06:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed region coding again (see talk section 'Blu ray' archive 6) - the table is wrong - doesn't say if it's for dvd or blu ray and in my opinion - unecessary.? HappyVR 07:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Made some edits - but wanted to check - the 20GB version has no memory card functionality at all? the 20GB version has no digital video ouput at all (not DVI either) - has anyone heard mention of VGA or similar output - I assume that 20GB buyers will not be limited to 480p? HappyVR 07:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
There's been a suggestion that the three pin plug socket on ps3 does not necessarily mean the power supply is inside the console itself - can anyone confirm the plug socket is for mains electricity? HappyVR 12:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
[1] Sony had a real PS3 up and running at E3 and there was no sign of an external PSU. Suggests there is no external power supply unit at all afterall, and on closer inspection the PS3 and 360 do not have the same power input ports either. My mistake. Sorry! new*allusion 20:49, 13 May 2006 (GMT)
[2] new*allusion 21:21, 13 May 2006 (GMT)
The power plug looks like the same one on my kettle and boomb box JayKeaton 01:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
The rumor mill has been churning and game developers say that the E306 consoles were only dev kits and they will most likely use an external power brick due to heating problems. Source from Kotaku (who are reliable) and a source they say is reliable, http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/more-ps3-downgrades-on-the-way-179863.php. The source has proven before he knows things as he had revealed things in the past 65.4.245.20 20:59, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
The four LEDs imply that the machine will now only support four controllers via. Bluetooth at any one time. Should we make this explicitly clear in the article. I would also assume that the 3 other Bluetooth frequencies are open for other pieces of hardware, for example- cellphone communication, Bluetooth mice and Bluetooth keyboards. new*allusion 15:58, 13 May 2006 (GMT)
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Why is the good PS3 black picture changed?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Skullcap ( talk • contribs) 06:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC).
It seems the first image used in this entry is from E5 2005, which shows dual HDMI ports. The current top-of-the-line PS3 introduced at E3 2006 has one such port (as well as other case modifications). Could this image please be updated?
Do we have a reference for the UK price? It seems higher than I would expect and I didn't think that the UK price had been announced yet. As far as I can tell, £425 is just an estimated price that some retailers are putting their pre-orders at. TimTim 13:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Someone added information stating that the 20GB version will have wired controllers:
"In addition, this version will ship with a wired controller, whereas the 60GB version will ship with a wireless controller, in videos available for free on the web sony spokes people say that the wireless controller is available with both the 20GB and 60GB versions."
I've seen nothing about the PS3 even having wired controllers, other than the USB connection on the wireless ones. Can anyone clarify or show a source? -
th1rt3en
02:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Is this confirmed? I don't know if 1080p can be output through the component cable. Jack Zhang 04:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
"Parents would first handedly choose to give their child the 'Wii' mainly because it is cheaper and would have mainly child games. Hardcore gamers would majorily choose either the '360' and/or the 'PS3' because of the games that are expected to be released onto it. Right now, it seems as if those gamers will go with '360.'"
This seems ridiculously POV to me. first off, most of the wii games that have been shown off so far are made for teens and adults. bringing up the 'kiddie' game issue is blatant speculation. second, saying that hardcore gamers would mostly be interested in the 360 and PS3 is biased. I'm a hardcore gamer, and I plan on purchasing a Wii. I know plenty of Xbox or PS2 owners who feel the same way as well. if this is a quote, it needs to be marked as such, and if it's just speculation it needs to be fixed. I apologize for sounding so abrupt, it's just that this kind of thing is popping up everywhere... ( Last Man Standing 19:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC))
I'm not sure what all of the above is about, but I just checked this article to see if there was a criticism section, and am surprised there isn't. During E3 and since, gaming sites have been flooded with criticisms of the PS3, its high price tag and the abysmal attitude of the Sony execs behind it. See
here,
here,
here, and
so on. -
VJ
03:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
(User:Infernix). Yes, but it has been all over Gamespot forums. This 360Wii boycott has become apparent in thousands of users and people at E3. If you don't believe me, I suggest you head there and see for yourself. Whatever, the person who wrote this is saying, it is most definitely true. At best, it needs to be reworded. But isn't opinions what criticism is all about? :S
"Opinionated" remarks removed. So the article stays Yes?
(User: Infernix) If that's your opinion on it, so be it. Just don't delete facts because you dislike what they say. We are providing people with information here, if any encyclopedia doesn't contain TRUE information then what's the point in having one? Here's the link to the criticism anyways. The E3 Forum. This is where I knew of the 360Wii revolution happen. http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_topics.php?board_id=909178334 So now you make the 'Criticism' section.
We shouldn't restrict information just because we don't like it. If it's a fact it should be for the world to know at their own will. We are not the tools of the government or anything else. Information is the only thing Wikipedia is good at. Let it be there for people to see.
Thanks for inserting what seems to me at least to be a neutral and well written criticism section. I don't think Ken Kutaragi (and friends) 'attitude/bullshit problems' nor 'stealing from nintendo' accusation is relevant here but there may be other things that people may want to add HappyVR 19:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Wondering if the possible uselessness of the cheaper version could be a possibility for inclusion in criticism - though not proven in this case yet there are numerous examples in the past of manufacturers producing a cheaper model which in many cases needed upgrading/was eventually discontinued - non neutral/cynical point of view would be to say the cheap version is there to make the console appear cheaper when in fact once the neccessary upgrades have been bought (larger hdd, tv with hi-def component input (vs. relatively cheap computer monitor with HDMI compatable DVI)) the version ends up costing more...Just wondering. HappyVR 21:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
A criticism should be available, because PS3 is one of the most critized system this new gen by competitors, fans, media, etc. The subject of criticism ranges from Sony's attitude,lack of concern regarding fans, the lack of rumble feature in the controller, the notion that the PS3 is verinflated in price because Sony is using this media as a way to bolster it's Blu-Ray format over HD-DVD.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150935 http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150878&did=1 http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150928&did=1 http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151103 http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151062
Really, one just has to visits few boards/forums/game communities such as IGN to see the outburst of critisiscm that PS3 price, and attitude of Sony representatives have created. Or even take not of Sony's stocks declinig because of the announced price.
http://www.nikkeibp.co.jp/wcs/leaf/CID/onair/nbe/features/426679
So if in eight days if someone more fluent in the English language than I doesn't remedy the fact that a Criticism section is missing (where there should be one), I myself will create one.
Other examples of criticism can be seen in Bill Gate's statement that Motion Sensing is not yet mainstream. This statement does not only limit itself to the Wii, but to the PS3's controller.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/710/710384p1.html
I notice that there was a minor edit scuffle between 65.2.82.173 and Larsinio about the inclusion of a sentence about the controller in the criticism section. I have re-written that part in a way that I hope will be ameanable to both parties. TimTim 16:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I've just reverted due to someone deleting almost all of the talk page, including archives. Sorry if your more recent edits got deleted - I will try and add them back in. TimTim 11:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Lost comments re-instated! TimTim 11:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to change image but there is a much better image of the black PS3 with the real controller next to it (the non-boomerang one). The one currently displayed is terrible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.156.85.204 ( talk • contribs) .
There is a load of blatant POV added by an Anon in this section, which I would normally revert, only it would seem that an editor has since then made some sincere additions to the section, and I don't want to delete those - this is why I've done an edit rather than a straight revert. Could 70.181.29.153 please keep their 'price comparison' and opinion pieces to their blog or forum posts! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tomisaac ( talk • contribs) 11:33, 17 May 2006 (UTC).
The wording in this section is somewhat deceiving. It gives the impression that the basic online service will include online gameplay. During Sony's E3 press conference, the list of Basic Services that they displayed in their presentation did *NOT* include online play. Because of the contradictory evidence, any comments as to whether or not online play will be free should be considered speculation and omitted from the article until a formal statement of the pricing and service structure is released. 131.107.0.77 18:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)Dennis
The Blog by QJ.net has more details on Linux on the PS3 (the link is already in ps3 article). But is also gives a link to the actual interview with Kawanishi. (It's in Japanese so use BabelFish to translate). In the interview it tells why things like HDMIx2, GigabitEthernetx3, etc. were left out, and alot of other usefull information. I'm not sure if any of this can/should be added to the PS3 article? What do you think? Jdm64 17:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
The current article contains the line "Most of the games that stood out from the pack as exceptional Playstation and Playstation 2 games obviously did not adhere to a performance restraining checklist based on Sony's Technical Requirements Criteria." The word "obviously" really doesn't belong in there. Aside from that, a citation is needed for the strong "most of." I'd suggest changing it to "Several popular games for the Playstation and Playstation 2, including [examples], did not adhere to Sony's Technical Requirements Criteria, which included constraints on performance such as [examples]." -- LostLeviathan 19:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Well as I see it, "fully backwards compatible" and "all games that adhered to Sony's Technical Requirements Checklist should be playable" are contradictory! I would say that fully means Everything, so it actually isn't total backwards compatible. It should read somthing like: The PS3 will be backwards compatible with every PS1 and PS2 game that met Sony's Technical Requirements Checklist, which is almost all games that can be bought at a retail store. Or somthing to that effect. Jdm64 20:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed the "full backwards compatiblity" and changed it to just backwards compatiblity. I thought it was kind of redundunt and awkward with full. Jdm64 04:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
This section is going all over the place - there doesn't seem to be total consensus on it at all. However one thing concerns me at present - from the current section -"It is alleged that between 50% and 85% of PS1 and PS2 games are fully TRC-compliant" - why alleged? shouldn't that be 'estimated' - 'alleged' (in my opinion) suggests that we don't entirely trust what is being said - in which case - why is it being cited? HappyVR 21:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed paragraph from 'criticism' section concerning hi def tv take up - it just didn't seem relevant enough - however perhaps a section pointing out the additional costs of buting a suitable monitor might be relevant.. If people want this I can add it.
Also I was wondering if adding criticism of the external design is suitable (or fair) - that being that sony seems to have re-used the PS2 'chassis' and added a curved top to it - rather than generating something new - doubt anyone will agree to any comments regarding the aesthetic quality of the design - either positive or negative?? HappyVR 17:34, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Still no picture of the new black PS3 - just a reminder - please help if you can. HappyVR 11:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Just looking at my local (Australia) predicted price point, 1000 dollars for the real version! As far as I can remember that makes it the most expensive gaming console in the universe! JayKeaton 01:18, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
From : Greg <greg@psp-hacks.com> Sent : Monday, 22 May 2006 10:10:42 a.m. To : "Thomas Williams" <superplough@hotmail.com> Subject : Re: Real PS3 Pics from E3!
Nope - we didn't take these ourselves. but go ahead, post them on wikipedia if you desire. :)
- greg
On 5/21/06, Thomas Williams <superplough@hotmail.com> wrote: http://www.ps3-hacks.com/2005/05/25/real-ps3-pics-from-e3/
These are some brilliant quality pictures, and i was just wondering if you took these yourself? If you did, I was hoping you could release them into the public domain so we can use them on the Wikipedia PS3 article, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3
Thanks in advance Plough
So does this mean we can use them? Plough | talk to me 02:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
@ 2006-05-22 03:40Z
Controller section seems to have grown a bit recently, could anyone actually justify its length at present - or is it ok to prune it specifically parts that are speculation on the 'mindset' of the sony corporation (ie why they have done things) - and attempts to deal with 'copy from nintendo' and 'sony lost vibration' case. I'm not suggesting these two issues shouldn't be delt with on the page or in this section - but it seems too long - too many words, sorry. HappyVR 17:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Still think section dealing with rumble and immersion could be shortened. If someone hasn;t done this already. HappyVR 18:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Wasn't sure where to put this, but here is the link that specifies that the controller provides posture information and not angular speed. http://www.e3insider.com/news/?articleID=P2OHHFJPJ4 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.27.111.77 ( talk • contribs) 15:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC).
(it gets crowded in here doesn't it) HappyVR 16:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
The article has a 'not neutral' tag - is this due to the criticism section - could it be pointed out - the offending part....(I assume it's not 'Retail and Pricing POV' anymore as per talk page above. HappyVR 18:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
just an anon posting, but I'd say that the crit section is indeed not neutral. Anyone who states otherwise please explain why there is not a crit section for either the wii, or the 360, even though any forum user certainly will explain to you their "faults". /anon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.175.45.26 ( talk • contribs) 18:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC).
Actually a quick check brought up that the only other seemingly popular console to have a crit section is the original playstation, for it's vatican ad. Although I will agree there are crits about the pricing of the console, I believe that should be placed on a more of a gaming related site like IGN rather than a collection of knowledge. As a side argument(playing devil's advocate slightly here) there could be a crit section in the wii for the worries that developers have ( http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3014&Itemid=2). Sorry for the piss poor links. I am not accustom to editing wikis. The xbox 360 article addressed it's crits appropriatly(power supply and disc scratching) in a very NPOV, I would mark from it's example. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.175.45.26 ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC).
I just read in an interview with Phil Harrison of Sony at Eurogamer, in which he states that if PS3 consumers desire a larger hard drive than the 20gb or 60gb models included in their system that the PS3 hard drive is "ATA, bog standard" and can be swapped out with a normal PC hard drive, of a different capacity. ( http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=64667)
This may be relavent to concerns about the price differential between the 20gb and 60gb versions of the PS3, because, if accurate, the only concerns left would be questions over the inclusion of Wi-fi and HDMI output in the 20gb model, since a 20gb model could be upgraded by the consumer perhaps to a 100gb or great sized drive at a later date.
At least one concern of being forever stuck with an inferior, but still expensive machine would be quelled. 80.132.25.3 08:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)CaptEnos
I belive that Sony's stance on the pricing is relevant to the article and should be either in a criticism section, or in pricing section. Kutaragi is quoted as saying that "ps3 is probably too cheap" in numerous online sources, such as ign, gamedaily, arstechnica, eurogamer and engadget. Considering the criticism directed at Sony's comparatively high pricing point, this deserves to be mentioned. Tani unit 19:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I had inferred from other articles that the kutaragi quote 'it's too cheap' was in fact a summary of an interview or speech where he had 'defended' the price. However the article http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/706/706133p1.html quotes him as saying 'It's probably too cheap'. As this was translated from japanese I have no idea what he said. HappyVR 19:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed this paragraph:
First sentence: When you chop 'it should be noted' it basicly leaves you with a statement of the NeoGeo and 3DO launch pricepoints. While it is nice for context, I'm not sure its needed. I think comparing it to its contemporaries should be enough for now, with the "its high price in comparison to its console competition" sentence.
Second sentence 'furthermore, it's standard practice to do trade ins', is unsourced, and even if it is, I'm not sure why it would deserve a specific mention. The 'significantly cheaper than average blu-ray player launch price' part maybe does deserve a mention. It needs a proper source reference though. I believe it linked to some press release previously, but you'd want a more general statement about average blu-ray player launch prices. It could fit in after "Blu-ray drive as representing real value for money.[5]" as "The average price of Blu-ray players at launch will be X. [src]". For now, also removed it. -- Codemonkey 21:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I put the PS4 back in. Cheesor keeps deleting it in his "crusade" against 8th generation systems.-- Orion Minor 04:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
@ 2006-05-25 15:47Z
Codemonkey changed the sentence from "Criticism has recently shifted from the price itself to acusations of arrogance after an interview with CEO of SCE Europe, David Reeves, claimed that due to their brand strength "the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn't have games".[12]" at the end of the pricing section to "Sony has also claimed that due to their brand strength, the first five million will sell to early adopters anyway, even without games.[12]" claiming that it is NPOV due to mentioning it is reported as arrogant. To me it seems relevent to include that this is an accusation that the gaming press is making at Sony, "are accused of being arrogant" and "are arrogant" are saying different things, with the former being NPOV. Leaving it here for discussion and consensus. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chaoaretasty ( talk • contribs) .
I still think taking a single sentence from an interview or lecture or conference and quoting it to show arrogance is not what we should be doing (in an encyclopedia etc). Doing this is all very well to get a headline for a page on 'internet-gaming.com' or whatever - however this wikipedia - also the interview from which the quote comes - has anyone actually heard/read it in its entirity? I too get an annoying feeling that sony is being arrogant/over confident/bullish/lazy but that's just a feeling - I don't extend that into the article. HappyVR 18:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I do not agree that the edit is used out of context, but I'd rather argue for the actual quote than what was removed. Ah well, what do I care, I'm not paying 600 dollars for a game system, no matter what cames are available at launch.-- Orion Minor
"Blu-ray drive(which is not going to make it)"? "Memory Stick reader(who cares)"? Is there any way to stop eight-year-olds from editing WP? "60 GB version(matters)"? Maybe before you can commit edits, you should be forced to check a "I understand that this is an encyclopedia, not a chat board. I will not behave like I have ADD or try to impress my sk8z0r friends." box. Who wants to create WP: immaturity? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.51.73.129 ( talk • contribs) .
There is a way, lock down the article if extreme vandalism or the complaints that the user mentioned above ReyBrujo gets out of hand, that way things may cool down for some time until the locker decides to unlock the page, although hectic things will come back once the seal is broken or unlocked, sure but you can also warn those users to stop, or you can keep reverting the page. Either way the choices are yours and the editing war might cool down tomorrow. Also there is still a possibility of the Blu-ray drive coming, how? don't ask me. And as for the Wii, yeah quite hectic reybrujo although I think Nintendo is sticking with that name, because that's what they wanted though they could attempt to change the name at the last minute or right before its release. 24.188.203.181 16:58, 26 May 2006
Why are we still calling this system the PlayStation 3 when it should be in all caps (PLAYSTATION 3)? It makes no sense to me whatsoever. Sony is putting it in all caps. Why can't we? MastrCake 19:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
You are right. However, the current spelling is incorrect as well. According to the guidlelines, we shouldn't even be capitalizing the S in PlayStation. Or did I just read the guidelines wrong? MastrCake 19:26, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I think that it would probably be about as readable if we were to caps all the letters. Although it may sound different, that is something that the whole world may need to get used to, as Sony is changing it. MastrCake 19:43, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
What are you suggesting? MastrCake 19:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
So what do you guys think? Should I change it to PLAYSTATION 3? Or shall we keep it as PlayStation 3? MastrCake 20:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, Sony actually refers to it as PLAYSTATION® 3 in all of their press releases. MastrCake 20:39, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
@ 2006-05-27 03:35Z
Okay. Fine. We can keep it the way it is until I can dig up some proof. MastrCake 03:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I've removed this ' Nintendo has also described Sony's actions as copying, rather than innovating. [2]'
My reason being that this comment actually was refering to the rumble capabilty of the dualshock controller - not the motion detection capabilty as the sentence seemed to suggest in it's context in the article. There still is a accurate nintendo response to the tilt etc features. So I would suggest the article does not need this quote anyway? HappyVR 09:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Any thoughts as to what is wanted in this section (or whether it's needed at all) - does it need more info - eg a breakdown of total floating point performance into cell and rsx contributions or another change perhaps. Or is it ok as it is - no response means I do nothing to it by the way. HappyVR 16:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Umm... I think the article should probably mention the read/write rates of the Cell Processor too. This Link here from a reputable source seems to indicate the memory write rate for the main cell is abysmal (16Mbps). I don't entirely know where I'd put this in though —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.117.41.1 ( talk • contribs) 22:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Is the floating point right after the alterations of the clock speeds of the proccesors from 3.2-2.8 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.4.245.20 ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
The official European website for the PS3 has been launched, and I think it may contain some new info about the PS3. It has a full page for all the specifications, and also reveals how loud the PS3 will be. The address is- http://eu.playstation.com/ps3/ Vibriante 14:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Which is a problem....When the XBOX 360 has about as much info as The Beatles themselves then you know it's a problem..SO I say we need to add as much, useless info as we can. Starting now..I'll start in about 2 min. - Dragong4
I have noticed that on the other next gen console pages there is a chart or a link that takes you to a chart of the launch titles for the system. I believe it is pertinent to at least start making a list so as to easily compare between the other two consoles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.184.31.158 ( talk • contribs) 05:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC).
Ok good I just provided somewhere to get starting point for this list. I don't have the NPOV engrained in me. I can just provide inspiration to get things done. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.184.31.158 ( talk • contribs) 05:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Okay, so somebody added a section at the very bottom with links to pre-order sites. I removed any links that looked questionable and adjusted the others to ensure that noone is getting referral credit, but does anyone think we really need a section on this? I'm thinking it should be cut. What does everyone think? Dancter 00:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
the console as pictured on the top right is out of date and shows several ports on the back which no longer exist on the actual model. I'd switch it if I knew how to. Someone else please. Deusfaux 21:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I switched it to a promo image but was told that free photos are better because you don't have legal issues. If I find a good user photo, I'll put it up. X360 06:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I suggest somebody should change the PlayStation 3 Article image here. It is not very clear or distinctive. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ChrisW ( talk • contribs) .
Whether or not a free image is available or we have to use one of sony's publicity images through fair use - one thing is certain - we need an image that is up to date - ie a black (20gb) or black with silver stripe (60gb) ps3 image - one that includes the new vents, the new reduced number of outputs at the back etc - I don't think not using an image that is fundamentally misleading (ie pre e3 2006) can be justified. (By the way as I write this the current image is labelled e3 2006 but does not seem to be - eg it's the 'old prototype' - can anyone enlighten?) HappyVR 18:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I think that we should just use a promo image of the PS3. If I worked for Sony and looked at this article I'd be annoyed that the out of date image is being used. It doesn't represent any quality of the product. I have never owned a PlayStation product of any kind, I have also said many bad things about them, but I think it's only fair that all the consoles get a decent picture. -- X360 09:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I have sent an e-mail to Sony asking for permission to use the promotional images of the PS3 on Wikipedia. Havok (T/ C/ c) 12:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
It is my opinion that the most accurate/up to date image be used. The old one can be used to illustrate the development history. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 22:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
The thing I don't understand is why can we use the official promo images of the controller and the back of the 20GB model but we can't have a decent promo image up the top. The PS3 is most likely only coming in black at launch and people are going to get their hopes up for a different colour only to find out that colour doesn't exist. -- X360 06:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
The image we have now is better then the old one at least. By the way, has Sony given any statements as what colors they intend to release from day one? If white isn't one of them, then I do think the current image constitutes a change to the Fair use one, seeing as it's white. Havok (T/ C/ c) 08:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Sony said the 'clear black' colour is available at launch. I don't think any other colours are available for a while. -- X360 01:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Why is the old image still there - arguments about fair use don't hold water here as the image is no longer an accurate representation of the console? HappyVR 11:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC) The new version of the console is 'fatter' - that is the radius of curvature of the top and bottom surfaces is less - if we must use the free image I would like to label this older picture "PS3 (prototype)" or similar. HappyVR 11:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I removed it until a consensus can be met on the above discussion. Preferable trough mediation. There is no need to have an image which miss represents PS3. Havok (T/ C/ c) 16:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Agree with removal. (In my opinion) getting rid of the old image is an improvement even if we have no suitable replacement at present. HappyVR 20:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Per WP:FUC, if "no free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information", fair use can be asserted. If the only free image is of an outdated model which is not accurately reflective of the article subject, the accurate image should be fine, provided the image page properly asserts FU rationale and that it is replaced with a free image as soon as is possible. RadioKirk talk to me 22:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Could we just use this ( Image:PS3 - Front Side (60GB HDD - Cropped).JPG) promo image until a decent free image is available? -- X360 23:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Well here is the normal, non-edited version: Image:PS3 - Front Side (60GB HDD).jpg -- X360 04:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't a 'corner' view be preferable - http://www.scee.presscentre.com/imagelibrary/detail.asp?MediaDetailsID=29084 or something similar - it gives a better impression of what the thing looks like. HappyVR 10:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
I've added the image Image:PS3 - Front Side (60GB HDD).jpg to the article, I have also updated the image with a link back to the original image over at Sony's press website. I have also asked Sony to send me their policy for what is allowed to do with the images found on the press website. It is not original research seeing as I am only asking them for their policy on the matter. Havok (T/ C/ c) 12:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Once again, Ed tries to fuck up the hard work of other users. Modulus86 12:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
There is no visible difference between this model and the promo shot. If you want a black one, there are pics of the black console on Commons and Flickr. I also fail to see a consensus above regarding the image misrepresenting the console. ed g2s • talk 15:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
So let me get this straight: the debate is between fair use images that accurately represent the current design; and free use images that are largely similar, but have differences that may be misleading, as they are not of the current design seen at E3 2006. Is everyone telling me that there isn't a good-enough free image of the current design? It was at E3; there should be at least one usable image out there. Has anyone tried looking at any of these? [11] [12] Dancter 23:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Dancter! That should hopefully end all this crap that's been flying around about the image. --
Daniel Davis
01:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
What about the following image (flickr, cc-by-2.0) [13]? ˉˉ anetode ╞┬╡ 03:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to whoever got the new image - I honestly had no idea where to look (not just lazy). However as User:Havok has suggested could we use the other of the two images Image:PS3s_and_controllers_at_E3_2006.jpg as it's in focus (the current one is a bit blurred), if no one objects or does it themselves I'll change it over - I've assumed this image is ok to use since it's been downloaded to wikipedia. HappyVR 16:52, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry couldn't be bother to wait so decided to "be bold" and change over anyway - two users said they prefered this one so I guess this edit will pass off without any problems...Thanks. HappyVR 16:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I notice that numerous websites have been running a 'PS3 is a computer' news item based on an interview with Ken Kutaragi - does anyone have a link to the actual interview to see what he actually said - the suggestion seems to be that other variants may be released and the PS3 will be upgradeable etc? HappyVR 10:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
On the Wii (and most Nintendo consoles) page, there is a list of Third Party, Second and First Party games expected to be on the Wii, plus a launch title list. Do you think we should organize the "Games in Development/Expect Software Library" list that way? By the way here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii#Expected_software_library McDonaldsGuy 08:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
First off, why do people support this organization (also proposed on Xbox 360 pages)? It hit the Nintendo page first because if you read up on console history, Nintendo made some big waves with their treatment of third- and first- party titles in console history. So maybe it should be important there as a legacy- but really, do people care if most games are first-party on any other consoles?. And secondly, how would breaking up the titles, then having to add headers whitespace and boxes to seperate them, shorten the article? Organization I can see, but it wouldn't be shorter. 69.176.41.195 17:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
What is stopping YOU from doing it? -Dragong4 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.189.99.161 ( talk • contribs) .
@ 2006-06-15 07:20Z
Wh have there been so many attempts to make this article a feature? Basically from the moment it grew beyond a stub, people were shooting down feature attempts. As it will be for some time: The answer is NO. No upcoming release should ever be a feature, especially one such as this, where there are basically just as many (if not more) rumors than hard facts (especially ones that we can be absolutely certain won't change before shipping). 69.176.41.195 17:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
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Someone named it Green Ray? Changing. EDIT Or not. Someone did it for me. Thanks. EDIT- Someone decided to name it green again. Edit - Fixed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.6.13.211 ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC).
Talk page archived - if I missed an unfinished discussion - sorry. HappyVR 06:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed region coding again (see talk section 'Blu ray' archive 6) - the table is wrong - doesn't say if it's for dvd or blu ray and in my opinion - unecessary.? HappyVR 07:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Made some edits - but wanted to check - the 20GB version has no memory card functionality at all? the 20GB version has no digital video ouput at all (not DVI either) - has anyone heard mention of VGA or similar output - I assume that 20GB buyers will not be limited to 480p? HappyVR 07:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
There's been a suggestion that the three pin plug socket on ps3 does not necessarily mean the power supply is inside the console itself - can anyone confirm the plug socket is for mains electricity? HappyVR 12:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
[1] Sony had a real PS3 up and running at E3 and there was no sign of an external PSU. Suggests there is no external power supply unit at all afterall, and on closer inspection the PS3 and 360 do not have the same power input ports either. My mistake. Sorry! new*allusion 20:49, 13 May 2006 (GMT)
[2] new*allusion 21:21, 13 May 2006 (GMT)
The power plug looks like the same one on my kettle and boomb box JayKeaton 01:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
The rumor mill has been churning and game developers say that the E306 consoles were only dev kits and they will most likely use an external power brick due to heating problems. Source from Kotaku (who are reliable) and a source they say is reliable, http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/more-ps3-downgrades-on-the-way-179863.php. The source has proven before he knows things as he had revealed things in the past 65.4.245.20 20:59, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
The four LEDs imply that the machine will now only support four controllers via. Bluetooth at any one time. Should we make this explicitly clear in the article. I would also assume that the 3 other Bluetooth frequencies are open for other pieces of hardware, for example- cellphone communication, Bluetooth mice and Bluetooth keyboards. new*allusion 15:58, 13 May 2006 (GMT)
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Why is the good PS3 black picture changed?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Skullcap ( talk • contribs) 06:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC).
It seems the first image used in this entry is from E5 2005, which shows dual HDMI ports. The current top-of-the-line PS3 introduced at E3 2006 has one such port (as well as other case modifications). Could this image please be updated?
Do we have a reference for the UK price? It seems higher than I would expect and I didn't think that the UK price had been announced yet. As far as I can tell, £425 is just an estimated price that some retailers are putting their pre-orders at. TimTim 13:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Someone added information stating that the 20GB version will have wired controllers:
"In addition, this version will ship with a wired controller, whereas the 60GB version will ship with a wireless controller, in videos available for free on the web sony spokes people say that the wireless controller is available with both the 20GB and 60GB versions."
I've seen nothing about the PS3 even having wired controllers, other than the USB connection on the wireless ones. Can anyone clarify or show a source? -
th1rt3en
02:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Is this confirmed? I don't know if 1080p can be output through the component cable. Jack Zhang 04:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
"Parents would first handedly choose to give their child the 'Wii' mainly because it is cheaper and would have mainly child games. Hardcore gamers would majorily choose either the '360' and/or the 'PS3' because of the games that are expected to be released onto it. Right now, it seems as if those gamers will go with '360.'"
This seems ridiculously POV to me. first off, most of the wii games that have been shown off so far are made for teens and adults. bringing up the 'kiddie' game issue is blatant speculation. second, saying that hardcore gamers would mostly be interested in the 360 and PS3 is biased. I'm a hardcore gamer, and I plan on purchasing a Wii. I know plenty of Xbox or PS2 owners who feel the same way as well. if this is a quote, it needs to be marked as such, and if it's just speculation it needs to be fixed. I apologize for sounding so abrupt, it's just that this kind of thing is popping up everywhere... ( Last Man Standing 19:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC))
I'm not sure what all of the above is about, but I just checked this article to see if there was a criticism section, and am surprised there isn't. During E3 and since, gaming sites have been flooded with criticisms of the PS3, its high price tag and the abysmal attitude of the Sony execs behind it. See
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here, and
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VJ
03:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
(User:Infernix). Yes, but it has been all over Gamespot forums. This 360Wii boycott has become apparent in thousands of users and people at E3. If you don't believe me, I suggest you head there and see for yourself. Whatever, the person who wrote this is saying, it is most definitely true. At best, it needs to be reworded. But isn't opinions what criticism is all about? :S
"Opinionated" remarks removed. So the article stays Yes?
(User: Infernix) If that's your opinion on it, so be it. Just don't delete facts because you dislike what they say. We are providing people with information here, if any encyclopedia doesn't contain TRUE information then what's the point in having one? Here's the link to the criticism anyways. The E3 Forum. This is where I knew of the 360Wii revolution happen. http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_topics.php?board_id=909178334 So now you make the 'Criticism' section.
We shouldn't restrict information just because we don't like it. If it's a fact it should be for the world to know at their own will. We are not the tools of the government or anything else. Information is the only thing Wikipedia is good at. Let it be there for people to see.
Thanks for inserting what seems to me at least to be a neutral and well written criticism section. I don't think Ken Kutaragi (and friends) 'attitude/bullshit problems' nor 'stealing from nintendo' accusation is relevant here but there may be other things that people may want to add HappyVR 19:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Wondering if the possible uselessness of the cheaper version could be a possibility for inclusion in criticism - though not proven in this case yet there are numerous examples in the past of manufacturers producing a cheaper model which in many cases needed upgrading/was eventually discontinued - non neutral/cynical point of view would be to say the cheap version is there to make the console appear cheaper when in fact once the neccessary upgrades have been bought (larger hdd, tv with hi-def component input (vs. relatively cheap computer monitor with HDMI compatable DVI)) the version ends up costing more...Just wondering. HappyVR 21:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
A criticism should be available, because PS3 is one of the most critized system this new gen by competitors, fans, media, etc. The subject of criticism ranges from Sony's attitude,lack of concern regarding fans, the lack of rumble feature in the controller, the notion that the PS3 is verinflated in price because Sony is using this media as a way to bolster it's Blu-Ray format over HD-DVD.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150935 http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150878&did=1 http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150928&did=1 http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151103 http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151062
Really, one just has to visits few boards/forums/game communities such as IGN to see the outburst of critisiscm that PS3 price, and attitude of Sony representatives have created. Or even take not of Sony's stocks declinig because of the announced price.
http://www.nikkeibp.co.jp/wcs/leaf/CID/onair/nbe/features/426679
So if in eight days if someone more fluent in the English language than I doesn't remedy the fact that a Criticism section is missing (where there should be one), I myself will create one.
Other examples of criticism can be seen in Bill Gate's statement that Motion Sensing is not yet mainstream. This statement does not only limit itself to the Wii, but to the PS3's controller.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/710/710384p1.html
I notice that there was a minor edit scuffle between 65.2.82.173 and Larsinio about the inclusion of a sentence about the controller in the criticism section. I have re-written that part in a way that I hope will be ameanable to both parties. TimTim 16:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I've just reverted due to someone deleting almost all of the talk page, including archives. Sorry if your more recent edits got deleted - I will try and add them back in. TimTim 11:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Lost comments re-instated! TimTim 11:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to change image but there is a much better image of the black PS3 with the real controller next to it (the non-boomerang one). The one currently displayed is terrible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.156.85.204 ( talk • contribs) .
There is a load of blatant POV added by an Anon in this section, which I would normally revert, only it would seem that an editor has since then made some sincere additions to the section, and I don't want to delete those - this is why I've done an edit rather than a straight revert. Could 70.181.29.153 please keep their 'price comparison' and opinion pieces to their blog or forum posts! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tomisaac ( talk • contribs) 11:33, 17 May 2006 (UTC).
The wording in this section is somewhat deceiving. It gives the impression that the basic online service will include online gameplay. During Sony's E3 press conference, the list of Basic Services that they displayed in their presentation did *NOT* include online play. Because of the contradictory evidence, any comments as to whether or not online play will be free should be considered speculation and omitted from the article until a formal statement of the pricing and service structure is released. 131.107.0.77 18:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)Dennis
The Blog by QJ.net has more details on Linux on the PS3 (the link is already in ps3 article). But is also gives a link to the actual interview with Kawanishi. (It's in Japanese so use BabelFish to translate). In the interview it tells why things like HDMIx2, GigabitEthernetx3, etc. were left out, and alot of other usefull information. I'm not sure if any of this can/should be added to the PS3 article? What do you think? Jdm64 17:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
The current article contains the line "Most of the games that stood out from the pack as exceptional Playstation and Playstation 2 games obviously did not adhere to a performance restraining checklist based on Sony's Technical Requirements Criteria." The word "obviously" really doesn't belong in there. Aside from that, a citation is needed for the strong "most of." I'd suggest changing it to "Several popular games for the Playstation and Playstation 2, including [examples], did not adhere to Sony's Technical Requirements Criteria, which included constraints on performance such as [examples]." -- LostLeviathan 19:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Well as I see it, "fully backwards compatible" and "all games that adhered to Sony's Technical Requirements Checklist should be playable" are contradictory! I would say that fully means Everything, so it actually isn't total backwards compatible. It should read somthing like: The PS3 will be backwards compatible with every PS1 and PS2 game that met Sony's Technical Requirements Checklist, which is almost all games that can be bought at a retail store. Or somthing to that effect. Jdm64 20:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed the "full backwards compatiblity" and changed it to just backwards compatiblity. I thought it was kind of redundunt and awkward with full. Jdm64 04:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
This section is going all over the place - there doesn't seem to be total consensus on it at all. However one thing concerns me at present - from the current section -"It is alleged that between 50% and 85% of PS1 and PS2 games are fully TRC-compliant" - why alleged? shouldn't that be 'estimated' - 'alleged' (in my opinion) suggests that we don't entirely trust what is being said - in which case - why is it being cited? HappyVR 21:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed paragraph from 'criticism' section concerning hi def tv take up - it just didn't seem relevant enough - however perhaps a section pointing out the additional costs of buting a suitable monitor might be relevant.. If people want this I can add it.
Also I was wondering if adding criticism of the external design is suitable (or fair) - that being that sony seems to have re-used the PS2 'chassis' and added a curved top to it - rather than generating something new - doubt anyone will agree to any comments regarding the aesthetic quality of the design - either positive or negative?? HappyVR 17:34, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Still no picture of the new black PS3 - just a reminder - please help if you can. HappyVR 11:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Just looking at my local (Australia) predicted price point, 1000 dollars for the real version! As far as I can remember that makes it the most expensive gaming console in the universe! JayKeaton 01:18, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
From : Greg <greg@psp-hacks.com> Sent : Monday, 22 May 2006 10:10:42 a.m. To : "Thomas Williams" <superplough@hotmail.com> Subject : Re: Real PS3 Pics from E3!
Nope - we didn't take these ourselves. but go ahead, post them on wikipedia if you desire. :)
- greg
On 5/21/06, Thomas Williams <superplough@hotmail.com> wrote: http://www.ps3-hacks.com/2005/05/25/real-ps3-pics-from-e3/
These are some brilliant quality pictures, and i was just wondering if you took these yourself? If you did, I was hoping you could release them into the public domain so we can use them on the Wikipedia PS3 article, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3
Thanks in advance Plough
So does this mean we can use them? Plough | talk to me 02:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
@ 2006-05-22 03:40Z
Controller section seems to have grown a bit recently, could anyone actually justify its length at present - or is it ok to prune it specifically parts that are speculation on the 'mindset' of the sony corporation (ie why they have done things) - and attempts to deal with 'copy from nintendo' and 'sony lost vibration' case. I'm not suggesting these two issues shouldn't be delt with on the page or in this section - but it seems too long - too many words, sorry. HappyVR 17:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Still think section dealing with rumble and immersion could be shortened. If someone hasn;t done this already. HappyVR 18:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Wasn't sure where to put this, but here is the link that specifies that the controller provides posture information and not angular speed. http://www.e3insider.com/news/?articleID=P2OHHFJPJ4 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.27.111.77 ( talk • contribs) 15:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC).
(it gets crowded in here doesn't it) HappyVR 16:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
The article has a 'not neutral' tag - is this due to the criticism section - could it be pointed out - the offending part....(I assume it's not 'Retail and Pricing POV' anymore as per talk page above. HappyVR 18:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
just an anon posting, but I'd say that the crit section is indeed not neutral. Anyone who states otherwise please explain why there is not a crit section for either the wii, or the 360, even though any forum user certainly will explain to you their "faults". /anon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.175.45.26 ( talk • contribs) 18:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC).
Actually a quick check brought up that the only other seemingly popular console to have a crit section is the original playstation, for it's vatican ad. Although I will agree there are crits about the pricing of the console, I believe that should be placed on a more of a gaming related site like IGN rather than a collection of knowledge. As a side argument(playing devil's advocate slightly here) there could be a crit section in the wii for the worries that developers have ( http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3014&Itemid=2). Sorry for the piss poor links. I am not accustom to editing wikis. The xbox 360 article addressed it's crits appropriatly(power supply and disc scratching) in a very NPOV, I would mark from it's example. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.175.45.26 ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC).
I just read in an interview with Phil Harrison of Sony at Eurogamer, in which he states that if PS3 consumers desire a larger hard drive than the 20gb or 60gb models included in their system that the PS3 hard drive is "ATA, bog standard" and can be swapped out with a normal PC hard drive, of a different capacity. ( http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=64667)
This may be relavent to concerns about the price differential between the 20gb and 60gb versions of the PS3, because, if accurate, the only concerns left would be questions over the inclusion of Wi-fi and HDMI output in the 20gb model, since a 20gb model could be upgraded by the consumer perhaps to a 100gb or great sized drive at a later date.
At least one concern of being forever stuck with an inferior, but still expensive machine would be quelled. 80.132.25.3 08:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)CaptEnos
I belive that Sony's stance on the pricing is relevant to the article and should be either in a criticism section, or in pricing section. Kutaragi is quoted as saying that "ps3 is probably too cheap" in numerous online sources, such as ign, gamedaily, arstechnica, eurogamer and engadget. Considering the criticism directed at Sony's comparatively high pricing point, this deserves to be mentioned. Tani unit 19:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I had inferred from other articles that the kutaragi quote 'it's too cheap' was in fact a summary of an interview or speech where he had 'defended' the price. However the article http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/706/706133p1.html quotes him as saying 'It's probably too cheap'. As this was translated from japanese I have no idea what he said. HappyVR 19:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed this paragraph:
First sentence: When you chop 'it should be noted' it basicly leaves you with a statement of the NeoGeo and 3DO launch pricepoints. While it is nice for context, I'm not sure its needed. I think comparing it to its contemporaries should be enough for now, with the "its high price in comparison to its console competition" sentence.
Second sentence 'furthermore, it's standard practice to do trade ins', is unsourced, and even if it is, I'm not sure why it would deserve a specific mention. The 'significantly cheaper than average blu-ray player launch price' part maybe does deserve a mention. It needs a proper source reference though. I believe it linked to some press release previously, but you'd want a more general statement about average blu-ray player launch prices. It could fit in after "Blu-ray drive as representing real value for money.[5]" as "The average price of Blu-ray players at launch will be X. [src]". For now, also removed it. -- Codemonkey 21:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I put the PS4 back in. Cheesor keeps deleting it in his "crusade" against 8th generation systems.-- Orion Minor 04:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
@ 2006-05-25 15:47Z
Codemonkey changed the sentence from "Criticism has recently shifted from the price itself to acusations of arrogance after an interview with CEO of SCE Europe, David Reeves, claimed that due to their brand strength "the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn't have games".[12]" at the end of the pricing section to "Sony has also claimed that due to their brand strength, the first five million will sell to early adopters anyway, even without games.[12]" claiming that it is NPOV due to mentioning it is reported as arrogant. To me it seems relevent to include that this is an accusation that the gaming press is making at Sony, "are accused of being arrogant" and "are arrogant" are saying different things, with the former being NPOV. Leaving it here for discussion and consensus. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chaoaretasty ( talk • contribs) .
I still think taking a single sentence from an interview or lecture or conference and quoting it to show arrogance is not what we should be doing (in an encyclopedia etc). Doing this is all very well to get a headline for a page on 'internet-gaming.com' or whatever - however this wikipedia - also the interview from which the quote comes - has anyone actually heard/read it in its entirity? I too get an annoying feeling that sony is being arrogant/over confident/bullish/lazy but that's just a feeling - I don't extend that into the article. HappyVR 18:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I do not agree that the edit is used out of context, but I'd rather argue for the actual quote than what was removed. Ah well, what do I care, I'm not paying 600 dollars for a game system, no matter what cames are available at launch.-- Orion Minor
"Blu-ray drive(which is not going to make it)"? "Memory Stick reader(who cares)"? Is there any way to stop eight-year-olds from editing WP? "60 GB version(matters)"? Maybe before you can commit edits, you should be forced to check a "I understand that this is an encyclopedia, not a chat board. I will not behave like I have ADD or try to impress my sk8z0r friends." box. Who wants to create WP: immaturity? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.51.73.129 ( talk • contribs) .
There is a way, lock down the article if extreme vandalism or the complaints that the user mentioned above ReyBrujo gets out of hand, that way things may cool down for some time until the locker decides to unlock the page, although hectic things will come back once the seal is broken or unlocked, sure but you can also warn those users to stop, or you can keep reverting the page. Either way the choices are yours and the editing war might cool down tomorrow. Also there is still a possibility of the Blu-ray drive coming, how? don't ask me. And as for the Wii, yeah quite hectic reybrujo although I think Nintendo is sticking with that name, because that's what they wanted though they could attempt to change the name at the last minute or right before its release. 24.188.203.181 16:58, 26 May 2006
Why are we still calling this system the PlayStation 3 when it should be in all caps (PLAYSTATION 3)? It makes no sense to me whatsoever. Sony is putting it in all caps. Why can't we? MastrCake 19:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
You are right. However, the current spelling is incorrect as well. According to the guidlelines, we shouldn't even be capitalizing the S in PlayStation. Or did I just read the guidelines wrong? MastrCake 19:26, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I think that it would probably be about as readable if we were to caps all the letters. Although it may sound different, that is something that the whole world may need to get used to, as Sony is changing it. MastrCake 19:43, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
What are you suggesting? MastrCake 19:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
So what do you guys think? Should I change it to PLAYSTATION 3? Or shall we keep it as PlayStation 3? MastrCake 20:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, Sony actually refers to it as PLAYSTATION® 3 in all of their press releases. MastrCake 20:39, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
@ 2006-05-27 03:35Z
Okay. Fine. We can keep it the way it is until I can dig up some proof. MastrCake 03:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I've removed this ' Nintendo has also described Sony's actions as copying, rather than innovating. [2]'
My reason being that this comment actually was refering to the rumble capabilty of the dualshock controller - not the motion detection capabilty as the sentence seemed to suggest in it's context in the article. There still is a accurate nintendo response to the tilt etc features. So I would suggest the article does not need this quote anyway? HappyVR 09:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Any thoughts as to what is wanted in this section (or whether it's needed at all) - does it need more info - eg a breakdown of total floating point performance into cell and rsx contributions or another change perhaps. Or is it ok as it is - no response means I do nothing to it by the way. HappyVR 16:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Umm... I think the article should probably mention the read/write rates of the Cell Processor too. This Link here from a reputable source seems to indicate the memory write rate for the main cell is abysmal (16Mbps). I don't entirely know where I'd put this in though —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.117.41.1 ( talk • contribs) 22:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Is the floating point right after the alterations of the clock speeds of the proccesors from 3.2-2.8 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.4.245.20 ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
The official European website for the PS3 has been launched, and I think it may contain some new info about the PS3. It has a full page for all the specifications, and also reveals how loud the PS3 will be. The address is- http://eu.playstation.com/ps3/ Vibriante 14:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Which is a problem....When the XBOX 360 has about as much info as The Beatles themselves then you know it's a problem..SO I say we need to add as much, useless info as we can. Starting now..I'll start in about 2 min. - Dragong4
I have noticed that on the other next gen console pages there is a chart or a link that takes you to a chart of the launch titles for the system. I believe it is pertinent to at least start making a list so as to easily compare between the other two consoles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.184.31.158 ( talk • contribs) 05:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC).
Ok good I just provided somewhere to get starting point for this list. I don't have the NPOV engrained in me. I can just provide inspiration to get things done. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.184.31.158 ( talk • contribs) 05:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Okay, so somebody added a section at the very bottom with links to pre-order sites. I removed any links that looked questionable and adjusted the others to ensure that noone is getting referral credit, but does anyone think we really need a section on this? I'm thinking it should be cut. What does everyone think? Dancter 00:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
the console as pictured on the top right is out of date and shows several ports on the back which no longer exist on the actual model. I'd switch it if I knew how to. Someone else please. Deusfaux 21:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I switched it to a promo image but was told that free photos are better because you don't have legal issues. If I find a good user photo, I'll put it up. X360 06:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I suggest somebody should change the PlayStation 3 Article image here. It is not very clear or distinctive. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ChrisW ( talk • contribs) .
Whether or not a free image is available or we have to use one of sony's publicity images through fair use - one thing is certain - we need an image that is up to date - ie a black (20gb) or black with silver stripe (60gb) ps3 image - one that includes the new vents, the new reduced number of outputs at the back etc - I don't think not using an image that is fundamentally misleading (ie pre e3 2006) can be justified. (By the way as I write this the current image is labelled e3 2006 but does not seem to be - eg it's the 'old prototype' - can anyone enlighten?) HappyVR 18:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I think that we should just use a promo image of the PS3. If I worked for Sony and looked at this article I'd be annoyed that the out of date image is being used. It doesn't represent any quality of the product. I have never owned a PlayStation product of any kind, I have also said many bad things about them, but I think it's only fair that all the consoles get a decent picture. -- X360 09:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I have sent an e-mail to Sony asking for permission to use the promotional images of the PS3 on Wikipedia. Havok (T/ C/ c) 12:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
It is my opinion that the most accurate/up to date image be used. The old one can be used to illustrate the development history. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 22:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
The thing I don't understand is why can we use the official promo images of the controller and the back of the 20GB model but we can't have a decent promo image up the top. The PS3 is most likely only coming in black at launch and people are going to get their hopes up for a different colour only to find out that colour doesn't exist. -- X360 06:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
The image we have now is better then the old one at least. By the way, has Sony given any statements as what colors they intend to release from day one? If white isn't one of them, then I do think the current image constitutes a change to the Fair use one, seeing as it's white. Havok (T/ C/ c) 08:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Sony said the 'clear black' colour is available at launch. I don't think any other colours are available for a while. -- X360 01:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Why is the old image still there - arguments about fair use don't hold water here as the image is no longer an accurate representation of the console? HappyVR 11:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC) The new version of the console is 'fatter' - that is the radius of curvature of the top and bottom surfaces is less - if we must use the free image I would like to label this older picture "PS3 (prototype)" or similar. HappyVR 11:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I removed it until a consensus can be met on the above discussion. Preferable trough mediation. There is no need to have an image which miss represents PS3. Havok (T/ C/ c) 16:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Agree with removal. (In my opinion) getting rid of the old image is an improvement even if we have no suitable replacement at present. HappyVR 20:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Per WP:FUC, if "no free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information", fair use can be asserted. If the only free image is of an outdated model which is not accurately reflective of the article subject, the accurate image should be fine, provided the image page properly asserts FU rationale and that it is replaced with a free image as soon as is possible. RadioKirk talk to me 22:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Could we just use this ( Image:PS3 - Front Side (60GB HDD - Cropped).JPG) promo image until a decent free image is available? -- X360 23:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Well here is the normal, non-edited version: Image:PS3 - Front Side (60GB HDD).jpg -- X360 04:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't a 'corner' view be preferable - http://www.scee.presscentre.com/imagelibrary/detail.asp?MediaDetailsID=29084 or something similar - it gives a better impression of what the thing looks like. HappyVR 10:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
I've added the image Image:PS3 - Front Side (60GB HDD).jpg to the article, I have also updated the image with a link back to the original image over at Sony's press website. I have also asked Sony to send me their policy for what is allowed to do with the images found on the press website. It is not original research seeing as I am only asking them for their policy on the matter. Havok (T/ C/ c) 12:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Once again, Ed tries to fuck up the hard work of other users. Modulus86 12:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
There is no visible difference between this model and the promo shot. If you want a black one, there are pics of the black console on Commons and Flickr. I also fail to see a consensus above regarding the image misrepresenting the console. ed g2s • talk 15:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
So let me get this straight: the debate is between fair use images that accurately represent the current design; and free use images that are largely similar, but have differences that may be misleading, as they are not of the current design seen at E3 2006. Is everyone telling me that there isn't a good-enough free image of the current design? It was at E3; there should be at least one usable image out there. Has anyone tried looking at any of these? [11] [12] Dancter 23:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Dancter! That should hopefully end all this crap that's been flying around about the image. --
Daniel Davis
01:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
What about the following image (flickr, cc-by-2.0) [13]? ˉˉ anetode ╞┬╡ 03:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to whoever got the new image - I honestly had no idea where to look (not just lazy). However as User:Havok has suggested could we use the other of the two images Image:PS3s_and_controllers_at_E3_2006.jpg as it's in focus (the current one is a bit blurred), if no one objects or does it themselves I'll change it over - I've assumed this image is ok to use since it's been downloaded to wikipedia. HappyVR 16:52, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry couldn't be bother to wait so decided to "be bold" and change over anyway - two users said they prefered this one so I guess this edit will pass off without any problems...Thanks. HappyVR 16:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I notice that numerous websites have been running a 'PS3 is a computer' news item based on an interview with Ken Kutaragi - does anyone have a link to the actual interview to see what he actually said - the suggestion seems to be that other variants may be released and the PS3 will be upgradeable etc? HappyVR 10:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
On the Wii (and most Nintendo consoles) page, there is a list of Third Party, Second and First Party games expected to be on the Wii, plus a launch title list. Do you think we should organize the "Games in Development/Expect Software Library" list that way? By the way here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii#Expected_software_library McDonaldsGuy 08:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
First off, why do people support this organization (also proposed on Xbox 360 pages)? It hit the Nintendo page first because if you read up on console history, Nintendo made some big waves with their treatment of third- and first- party titles in console history. So maybe it should be important there as a legacy- but really, do people care if most games are first-party on any other consoles?. And secondly, how would breaking up the titles, then having to add headers whitespace and boxes to seperate them, shorten the article? Organization I can see, but it wouldn't be shorter. 69.176.41.195 17:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
What is stopping YOU from doing it? -Dragong4 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.189.99.161 ( talk • contribs) .
@ 2006-06-15 07:20Z
Wh have there been so many attempts to make this article a feature? Basically from the moment it grew beyond a stub, people were shooting down feature attempts. As it will be for some time: The answer is NO. No upcoming release should ever be a feature, especially one such as this, where there are basically just as many (if not more) rumors than hard facts (especially ones that we can be absolutely certain won't change before shipping). 69.176.41.195 17:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
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