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I'm deleting the section that was just added on the "best" NFL kickers, since a list of the best anything without a citation is an obvious NPOV issue. -- djrobgordon 01:02, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm not doubting the cited survey; think I heard something of it myself; but it really needs a reference. Rlquall 03:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I realize this section is inherently POV, and if someone wants to delete it, I probably wouldn't argue, but in the meantime, can we try and limit it to Hall of Famers, record holders, perennial All-Pros, etc? I don't want to be the notability Nazi, but people have been adding journeymen and NFL Europe kickers lately. Just think before you add. -- djrobgordon 06:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
There is only one Hall of Fame kicker, even Adam Vinatieri could be counted against him, had it not been his Super Bowl titles because he is a specialist kicker (never played any other position at any point before his NFL career. 203.184.56.44 09:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I heard that some kickers can be a QB,. even a dual-threat QB? I wonder if that is so. But why can't a QB be a kicker/punter as well?
Don't we have a better pic? That one is hard to make out. -- JaGa talk 12:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
The description of the place kicker's action seems more like the kick of a rugby player converting a try than a soccer kick. Ozdaren ( talk) 13:48, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Are punters generally larger than placekickers, because the former is sometimes expected to be a running back or quarterback during special plays? If this is true, it should probably be mentioned on either of the place pages, because punters generally are phyiscally larger, aren't they? -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 05:49, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
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The WP:COMMONNAME for the position is kicker, so shouldn't the article be moved to reflect that? Basically every source that refers to, let's say Adam Vinatieri, simply calls him a kicker. You only really see "placekicker" in places like NFL stat books. ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 11:22, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE TALK TO ME/ STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 03:18, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Placekicker → Kicker (gridiron football position) – I'm going to piggyback off the 7 year old post from @ Dissident93: above. Kicker is by a large margin the more common term. Team rosters generally call them "kicker" or abbreviated to "K" per these examples: 1 2 3. Recruiting profiles use kicker here and [1]. Articles ranking all-time kickers typically use "kicker" 1 2 3. Fantasy football uses the term kicker 1 2 3. The Hall of Fame uses kicker 1 2. Heck even Madden uses kicker. Sure they are some one off places that say place kicker still like this but that article specifically was written by someone who was a scout when the common term was place kicker. Place kicker seems to dropped in usage to almost non-existent. Rockchalk 7 17 00:20, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Parenthetical disambiguation is the least preferred option (emphasis added):Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title.
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On 15 June 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Kicker (gridiron football position). The result of the discussion was not moved. |
I'm deleting the section that was just added on the "best" NFL kickers, since a list of the best anything without a citation is an obvious NPOV issue. -- djrobgordon 01:02, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm not doubting the cited survey; think I heard something of it myself; but it really needs a reference. Rlquall 03:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I realize this section is inherently POV, and if someone wants to delete it, I probably wouldn't argue, but in the meantime, can we try and limit it to Hall of Famers, record holders, perennial All-Pros, etc? I don't want to be the notability Nazi, but people have been adding journeymen and NFL Europe kickers lately. Just think before you add. -- djrobgordon 06:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
There is only one Hall of Fame kicker, even Adam Vinatieri could be counted against him, had it not been his Super Bowl titles because he is a specialist kicker (never played any other position at any point before his NFL career. 203.184.56.44 09:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I heard that some kickers can be a QB,. even a dual-threat QB? I wonder if that is so. But why can't a QB be a kicker/punter as well?
Don't we have a better pic? That one is hard to make out. -- JaGa talk 12:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
The description of the place kicker's action seems more like the kick of a rugby player converting a try than a soccer kick. Ozdaren ( talk) 13:48, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Are punters generally larger than placekickers, because the former is sometimes expected to be a running back or quarterback during special plays? If this is true, it should probably be mentioned on either of the place pages, because punters generally are phyiscally larger, aren't they? -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 05:49, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 08:40, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
The WP:COMMONNAME for the position is kicker, so shouldn't the article be moved to reflect that? Basically every source that refers to, let's say Adam Vinatieri, simply calls him a kicker. You only really see "placekicker" in places like NFL stat books. ~ Dissident93 ( talk) 11:22, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE TALK TO ME/ STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 03:18, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Placekicker → Kicker (gridiron football position) – I'm going to piggyback off the 7 year old post from @ Dissident93: above. Kicker is by a large margin the more common term. Team rosters generally call them "kicker" or abbreviated to "K" per these examples: 1 2 3. Recruiting profiles use kicker here and [1]. Articles ranking all-time kickers typically use "kicker" 1 2 3. Fantasy football uses the term kicker 1 2 3. The Hall of Fame uses kicker 1 2. Heck even Madden uses kicker. Sure they are some one off places that say place kicker still like this but that article specifically was written by someone who was a scout when the common term was place kicker. Place kicker seems to dropped in usage to almost non-existent. Rockchalk 7 17 00:20, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Parenthetical disambiguation is the least preferred option (emphasis added):Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title.
This is like a football sack being titled quarterback sack.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:06, 17 June 2023 (UTC)Adding a disambiguating term in parentheses after the ambiguous name is Wikipedia's standard disambiguation technique when none of the other solutions lead to an optimal article title.