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Over the last couple of weeks, I have completely rewritten and expanded this page. The one area I'm unsure about what to do with is the lists (albums of the year, song of the year, etc).
Is this article the right place for these lists? Does it put us in danger of turning the article into
an indiscriminate list of stuff? I have no strong feeling here.
I'm particularly unsure of the list of "albums rated 10 on release". It feels like a slightly arbitrary criteria that might be
WP:UNDUE and depends entirely on going to Pitchfork and counting the articles, without another secondary source to demonstrate why we care about albums rated 10 on release.
I support removal. To me, it feels inappropriate to list. That feels like the sort of info Pitchfork should host, not an encyclopedia. But it could also be that I'm missing something too - it's not the first time I've witnessed lists like this on website articles (albeit I don't recall seeing it on articles that were actually in decent shape.)
Sergecross73msg me15:40, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Let's remove the list of perfect 10 ratings. No
WP:SECONDARY source discusses this aspect. The list itself was first added in 2010 by a Philadelphia IP editor,
[1] completely lacking a source. The primary sourcing does not show significance of this concept. Adding a bunch of sources together to imply a larger concept is a violation of
WP:SYNTH.
Binksternet (
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16:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
OK, this has persuaded me that the 10.00 list at least is inappropriate, so I'll go ahead and remove that for a start. Thanks. Will wait for more opinions before removing any more.
Popcornfud (
talk)
16:23, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
This source could be used to expand the "Review system" section at the very least, so thanks. If the number of albums with 10s isn't that long we could potentially just list them in prose. I'll take a closer look soon.
Popcornfud (
talk)
02:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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alternative rock. If you would like to help out, you are welcome to drop by
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Over the last couple of weeks, I have completely rewritten and expanded this page. The one area I'm unsure about what to do with is the lists (albums of the year, song of the year, etc).
Is this article the right place for these lists? Does it put us in danger of turning the article into
an indiscriminate list of stuff? I have no strong feeling here.
I'm particularly unsure of the list of "albums rated 10 on release". It feels like a slightly arbitrary criteria that might be
WP:UNDUE and depends entirely on going to Pitchfork and counting the articles, without another secondary source to demonstrate why we care about albums rated 10 on release.
I support removal. To me, it feels inappropriate to list. That feels like the sort of info Pitchfork should host, not an encyclopedia. But it could also be that I'm missing something too - it's not the first time I've witnessed lists like this on website articles (albeit I don't recall seeing it on articles that were actually in decent shape.)
Sergecross73msg me15:40, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Let's remove the list of perfect 10 ratings. No
WP:SECONDARY source discusses this aspect. The list itself was first added in 2010 by a Philadelphia IP editor,
[1] completely lacking a source. The primary sourcing does not show significance of this concept. Adding a bunch of sources together to imply a larger concept is a violation of
WP:SYNTH.
Binksternet (
talk)
16:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
OK, this has persuaded me that the 10.00 list at least is inappropriate, so I'll go ahead and remove that for a start. Thanks. Will wait for more opinions before removing any more.
Popcornfud (
talk)
16:23, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
This source could be used to expand the "Review system" section at the very least, so thanks. If the number of albums with 10s isn't that long we could potentially just list them in prose. I'll take a closer look soon.
Popcornfud (
talk)
02:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply